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Post by jbt95 on Nov 17, 2019 10:25:43 GMT
Sorry if this has already been covered elsewhere but can't see a thread title which would cover it as such. It's very likely we would be ranked either 19th or 20th provided we beat Hungary on Tuesday. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2020_qualifying#Overall_rankingFinland have Greece away which if they fail to win, and we qualify by beating Hungary, we'd overtake to 19th, but other than that it's very unlikely we'd get to 18th place in the ranking (which is pot 3) - for example we would need Sweden not to win v Faroe Islands, Turkey losing to Andorra, or Switzerland losing by a few v Gibraltar. (C'mon any of the minnows!) Out of the host countries, Scotland and Romania are definitely in the play-offs at the moment and if we qualify Hungary also make it in there so it means we wouldn't be able to be drawn into Groups C, D or F - as all play-off winners are fourth seeds. So that leaves us with Groups A, B or E. If ROI don't beat Denmark, they'd be in the play-offs and again the same situation as C D or F meaning we couldn't go into E - leaving us with A and B. If ROI beat Denmark, we would be able to go into A or E as Denmark would be in the play-offs. Group A - Rome and Baku. Group B - St Petersburg and Copenhagen. Group E - Dublin and Bilbao. Group A - We'd see 2 games in Baku. We could find ourselves playing Italy in the opening match, or having Italy in the middle of two games in Baku. Playing Italy last after two games in Baku would probably be the best bet. We'd face a seed two and three side as Italy are confirmed as Pot 1. Group B - We'd face Denmark and Russia in their own stadiums alongside a pot 1 team which is very likely to be Belgium. Other Pot 1 teams are likely all to be hosts as well as Ukraine (who cannot be drawn v Russia for political reasons). Group E - Face Spain in Bilbao and Ireland in Dublin. Likely Spain will finish as top seeds so we'd face a second seed team. Probably best for us if ROI qualify as then we would avoid Group B - which I'd be surprised if we got out of. If Finland and ROI both win Monday night, and we beat Hungary, we are definitely the fourth seeded team in Group A. Annoyingly, had Cardiff got the games Brussels withdrew from - and the English FA stole off either us or Sweden - I would think it likely it would have been a Cardiff and Glasgow pairing; meaning all 3 of our games would've been at 'home' (in the bigger Cardiff stadium)! Instead we might have to go twice to Baku!
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Post by insertname on Nov 17, 2019 10:37:40 GMT
It seems it’s been set up so that most groups will contain two home teams which is pretty ridiculous really.
I don’t give us much of a chance of doing anything at the finals given the above and the format is a bit of a joke as well. I’d like to have a chance of getting a ticket for Belgium v Wales in Russia if it happens but other than that it’s hard to get excited about this Euro finals because the whole distributed hosts idea is total AIDS and I can’t wait for it to be binned off.
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 17, 2019 10:38:44 GMT
It seems it’s been set up so that most groups will contain two home teams which is pretty ridiculous really. I don’t give us much of a chance of doing anything at the finals given the above and the format is a bit of a joke as well. I’d like to have a chance of getting a ticket for Belgium v Wales in Russia if it happens but other than that it’s hard to get excited about this Euro finals because the whole distributed hosts idea is total AIDS and I can’t wait for it to be binned off. It is a pretty rubbish format. Personally I think if teams are in the play-offs they should have to forgo their 'home' matches. Most of the teams in the groups will be already done by the time Tuesday night comes around.
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Post by sleepy on Nov 17, 2019 10:50:06 GMT
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 17, 2019 10:52:54 GMT
That's based on if Hungary qualify instead of us though, but yeah basically us or Finland would need to go into Group B.
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Post by cadno on Nov 17, 2019 11:00:56 GMT
Not looking forward to experiencing VAR for the first time (if we qualify).
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Post by insertname on Nov 17, 2019 11:02:09 GMT
What a clusterfuck, so that tells us that Russia would ordinarily be a pot 2 side but would be bumped down because of Denmark, so the projected group B would effectively contain two 2nd seeds. That last group looks a proper nightmare in the making too, potentially Germany, Croatia/France and Portugal.
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Post by insertname on Nov 17, 2019 11:06:22 GMT
That's based on if Hungary qualify instead of us though, but yeah basically us or Finland would need to go into Group B. So they would have a ‘draw’ where one of the draws would be having us and Finland in a separate pot from everyone else and drawing to see who goes in group B? This whole prohibition thing seems like a bit of a racket too. Russia can’t be drawn in the group of a certain play off path because Kosovo might qualify from that path (they won’t) and Russia does not recognise Kosovo as a country. Eh? So what happens if Kosovo don’t make the play offs (I don’t think they can) what if they do and Russia have to play them in the quarter finals? What if Russia and Ukraine have to play a quarter final?
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 17, 2019 11:10:43 GMT
That's based on if Hungary qualify instead of us though, but yeah basically us or Finland would need to go into Group B. So they would have a ‘draw’ where one of the draws would be having us and Finland in a separate pot from everyone else and drawing to see who goes in group B? This whole prohibition thing seems like a bit of a racket too. Russia can’t be drawn in the group of a certain play off path because Kosovo might qualify from that path (they won’t) and Russia does not recognise Kosovo as a country. Eh? So what happens if Kosovo don’t make the play offs (I don’t think they can) what if they do and Russia have to play them in the quarter finals? What if Russia and Ukraine have to play a quarter final? Kosovo are in the play-offs as they won their League D group last autumn. For the knock out stages onward any team can play any team, despite any issues.
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Post by insertname on Nov 17, 2019 11:16:33 GMT
So they would have a ‘draw’ where one of the draws would be having us and Finland in a separate pot from everyone else and drawing to see who goes in group B? This whole prohibition thing seems like a bit of a racket too. Russia can’t be drawn in the group of a certain play off path because Kosovo might qualify from that path (they won’t) and Russia does not recognise Kosovo as a country. Eh? So what happens if Kosovo don’t make the play offs (I don’t think they can) what if they do and Russia have to play them in the quarter finals? What if Russia and Ukraine have to play a quarter final? Kosovo are in the play-offs as they won their League D group last autumn. For the knock out stages onward any team can play any team, despite any issues. Ah, I’m surprised they never mentioned that in the press building up to England v Kosovo, they made it sound like Kosovo were building for the WC now. That still makes me wonder why Uefa are still fellating certain countries egos by keeping them apart as it makes a mockery of the fact that they *could* be forced to play each other eventually so they will artificially manipulate the draw to start with. I can sort of understand doing it for the qualifiers but to keep teams apart at the finals is too much outside interference imo.
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 17, 2019 11:27:01 GMT
Kosovo are in the play-offs as they won their League D group last autumn. For the knock out stages onward any team can play any team, despite any issues. Ah, I’m surprised they never mentioned that in the press building up to England v Kosovo, they made it sound like Kosovo were building for the WC now. That still makes me wonder why Uefa are still fellating certain countries egos by keeping them apart as it makes a mockery of the fact that they *could* be forced to play each other eventually so they will artificially manipulate the draw to start with. I can sort of understand doing it for the qualifiers but to keep teams apart at the finals is too much outside interference imo. Well Russia would play Kosovo in St Petersburg so I can understand why UEFA would rather play somewhere neutral later on
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Post by helipad138 on Nov 17, 2019 11:38:32 GMT
So if Ireland beat Denmark, could they end up as 19th and Wales 20th? And would that mean we would definitely be in the Rome/Baku group?
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 17, 2019 11:43:55 GMT
So if Ireland beat Denmark, could they end up as 19th and Wales 20th? And would that mean we would definitely be in the Rome/Baku group? If Finland beat Greece, Ireland beat Denmark and we beat beat Hungary - yes - Finland would finish 18th, ROI 19th and us 20th. Hungary, Scotland, Denmark and Romania would be in the play-offs. All other host nations would have qualified other than Azerbaijan who can't. All play-off routes would involve one host in different groups, and with ROI as another fourth seed in their group, that would only leave one left group left of the 6 for us - A.
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Post by jono on Nov 17, 2019 11:44:42 GMT
Whatever happened to the old fashioned draw them out of the pot and see where they end up.
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Post by insertname on Nov 17, 2019 11:50:04 GMT
Whatever happened to the old fashioned draw them out of the pot and see where they end up. Exactly. Don’t mess with the classics ffs!
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Post by 1gwaunview on Nov 17, 2019 11:52:02 GMT
What a complete load of b******s. At least the old format was a bit more transparent.
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 17, 2019 11:53:57 GMT
So if Ireland beat Denmark, could they end up as 19th and Wales 20th? And would that mean we would definitely be in the Rome/Baku group? Deleted.
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Post by insertname on Nov 17, 2019 12:05:37 GMT
What a complete load of b******s. At least the old format was a bit more transparent. Saves them the cost of the electricity to heat the balls up this time though, I suppose....
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Post by erasedcitizen on Nov 17, 2019 12:47:38 GMT
What an absolute joke of a tournament. I'd really struggle to make 2 games in Baku. I'd likely have to sack one off and I haven't missed a competitive away since Portugal, where I simply couldn't afford another game in France (I was a student at the time).
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Post by alf on Nov 17, 2019 13:34:27 GMT
Really looking forward to Tuesday and the must win however having read and tried to work out whats going on in the "finals" I must say its a bag of shite. All these teams with guaranteed home games and thus having to restrict who's who in each group really not interested in the finals. Take me back to France 16 please!
Chuck everyone in the same hat and draw out the groups how simple would that be? and the winners would be the team that gets out of the group and wins all the KO games. All group games played in the same country for every group. Simples!!
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Post by insertname on Nov 17, 2019 13:41:12 GMT
Really looking forward to Tuesday and the must win however having read and tried to work out whats going on in the "finals" I must say its a bag of shite. All these teams with guaranteed home games and thus having to restrict who's who in each group really not interested in the finals. Take me back to France 16 please! Chuck everyone in the same hat and draw out the groups how simple would that be? and the winners would be the team that gets out of the group and wins all the KO games. All group games played in the same country for every group. Simples!! It’s so ridiculous I wouldn’t be too fussed if England won it because there will always be an asterisk next to the eventual winner because it’s such a stupid tournament (and yes I would still feel it’s stupid even if we won it, although we obviously won’t!) This was the brainchild of that wanker Platini and given how his conduct in office has since been exposed it seems an even worse idea than it was at the time.
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Post by quetzal on Nov 17, 2019 13:48:22 GMT
This is Welsh football. Lets just qualify.
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 17, 2019 14:12:35 GMT
What an absolute joke of a tournament. I'd really struggle to make 2 games in Baku. I'd likely have to sack one off and I haven't missed a competitive away since Portugal, where I simply couldn't afford another game in France (I was a student at the time). Worse case senerio would be we'd play the middle game in Rome. However if we had the middle game and one either side in Baku that wouldn't be too bad, would just stay there for a few days.
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Post by superunknown on Nov 17, 2019 14:38:24 GMT
What an absolute joke of a tournament. I'd really struggle to make 2 games in Baku. I'd likely have to sack one off and I haven't missed a competitive away since Portugal, where I simply couldn't afford another game in France (I was a student at the time). Worse case senerio would be we'd play the middle game in Rome. However if we had the middle game and one either side in Baku that wouldn't be too bad, would just stay there for a few days. Would try to do it but would be a tough ask with holidays and finances for me and I imagine most other Welsh fans but chances like these don’t come too often (assuming we can do the business on Tuesday that is). It is annoying as it just seems so disjointed as a tournament. Hey ho we’re Wales, let’s do the hard part and worry about the rest later.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Nov 17, 2019 14:41:28 GMT
This is Welsh football. Lets just qualify. No. Had enough. Let's sack the game off on Tuesday and compete in the China cup again.
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 17, 2019 14:57:53 GMT
Worse case senerio would be we'd play the middle game in Rome. However if we had the middle game and one either side in Baku that wouldn't be too bad, would just stay there for a few days. Would try to do it but would be a tough ask with holidays and finances for me and I imagine most other Welsh fans but chances like these don’t come too often (assuming we can do the business on Tuesday that is). It is annoying as it just seems so disjointed as a tournament. Hey ho we’re Wales, let’s do the hard part and worry about the rest later. Annual leave will need to be taken wherever we play! The games in Baku are on the 13,17,21 June. Ideally we'd play there 13th and 17th, then Rome on the 21st with Italy already qualified to the knock out phase.
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 17, 2019 15:27:38 GMT
This is Welsh football. Lets just qualify. No. Had enough. Let's sack the game off on Tuesday and compete in the China cup again. This won't be a popular opinion, but personally I hope we play a big friendly in the Principality Stadium on Saturday 28th March, so long as we win Tuesday coming. Annoying next March the South American World Cup qualifiers start. Maybe we could ask Mexico though as their qualifiers don't start till later in the year.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 17, 2019 15:38:19 GMT
Kosovo are in the play-offs as they won their League D group last autumn. For the knock out stages onward any team can play any team, despite any issues. Ah, I’m surprised they never mentioned that in the press building up to England v Kosovo, they made it sound like Kosovo were building for the WC now. That still makes me wonder why Uefa are still fellating certain countries egos by keeping them apart as it makes a mockery of the fact that they *could* be forced to play each other eventually so they will artificially manipulate the draw to start with. I can sort of understand doing it for the qualifiers but to keep teams apart at the finals is too much outside interference imo. 100% agree.
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Post by superunknown on Nov 17, 2019 16:22:46 GMT
Would try to do it but would be a tough ask with holidays and finances for me and I imagine most other Welsh fans but chances like these don’t come too often (assuming we can do the business on Tuesday that is). It is annoying as it just seems so disjointed as a tournament. Hey ho we’re Wales, let’s do the hard part and worry about the rest later. Annual leave will need to be taken wherever we play! The games in Baku are on the 13,17,21 June. Ideally we'd play there 13th and 17th, then Rome on the 21st with Italy already qualified to the knock out phase. Haha true, think just because I’m on this one currently and still not home until tomorrow so it seems a long while but as you say staying out here could work well if it comes to that.
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Post by manulike on Nov 17, 2019 17:14:16 GMT
Just to cheer everyone up ...
If we do make it into Group A Baku/Rome ...
There are no direct flights between the two and the CHEAPEST current non-direct flight in mid-June is ... £274.
You can save a few pennies and enjoy some wonderful food by taking an overnight train to Tbilisi and then the (NON-DIRECT) flight to Rome is only £100
Something to look forward to ;-((
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