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Post by jbt95 on Mar 8, 2020 9:30:34 GMT
Best bet would be to postpone this tournament a year if by the end of March things have not improved. It would only require some small tweeks of the football calendar to allow this. Play the 2 June WCQs then start the Euros the week after.
Reduce ticket prices by 20% or something for those who bought before New Year or something as a small gesture of goodwill at the amount of lost money in terms of flights and hotels etc.
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Post by 1gwaunview on Mar 8, 2020 10:53:59 GMT
Best bet would be to postpone this tournament a year if by the end of March things have not improved. It would only require some small tweeks of the football calendar to allow this. Play the 2 June WCQs then start the Euros the week after. Reduce ticket prices by 20% or something for those who bought before New Year or something as a small gesture of goodwill at the amount of lost money in terms of flights and hotels etc. Plus the added bonus then of Joe's return to full fitness hopefully, interesting idea if you're a Cymru fan and maybe a common sense approach if this virus situation worsens.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Mar 8, 2020 11:05:54 GMT
People can play it down all they want but Italy has 4000 Coronavirus cases (and rising) and are currently cancelling/playing major sporting events behind closed doors. Iran has 6000 Coronavirus cases and borders Azerbaijan. We all want the Euros to go ahead as planned but there is a duty to public health. I would imagine that UEFA are discussing contingency plans as we speak. I hope that the tournament doesn’t get cancelled and that they find suitable replacement countries instead if needed. Italy reported over 1000 cases in 24 hours and have put 17 million people into quarantine, including those in Milan, Parma & Venice. It is indeed a very serious issue and if the situation doesn't improve it'll be absolutely the right call to postpone the Euros.
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Post by squatter1 on Mar 8, 2020 11:11:37 GMT
Ironically for us Azerbijan seems to be the biggest problem apart from Italy. Only 6 cases so for but USA has advised people not to travel there because of the number of cases in neighbouring Iran just under 5000. We can only speculate what contingencies must have been discussed at the highEst level. Perhaps the tournament could be saved if games were moved from Italy and possibly Azerbijan if thing were fairly normal elsewhere. Good for us if some of them came to Wales obvs. Perhaps if the tournament was only in 1 (or 2) countries it would be just as bad or even worse particularly for the hosts than it is being spread out. The main factor against moving games is the shortness of time left. I can't see them moving games now, 3 months to go. The amount of prep that goes into hosting games in these tournaments takes years. Do you ever watch the news?
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Post by jbt95 on Mar 8, 2020 11:17:22 GMT
I can't see them moving games now, 3 months to go. The amount of prep that goes into hosting games in these tournaments takes years. Do you ever watch the news? Whats been said then? As in moving locations of games or cancelling/postponing this tournament. You may have read my comment out of context? It's less than 100 days to go. All the prep etc, can't see them moving games at the drop of a hat. Plus the Italian FA probably have some contractual clause to host the games or get a huge pay off if UEFA decide to move games away.
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Post by squatter1 on Mar 9, 2020 13:33:03 GMT
Do you ever watch the news? Whats been said then? There's a global pandemic on the loose which has the potential to kill 100s of millions of people and governments are already taking unprecedented actions in closing off entire regions of countries, quarantining millions of people and cancelling all public gatherings. To say 'I can't see them moving games now' seems a little out of kilter with the fact we are facing potentially a world-changing event unprecedented in all our lifetimes, and the bonkers format of the Euros is basically a plague's Christmases all come at once. If the Euros were scheduled for next month, they would at best be now confined to behind closed doors, more likely postponed/cancelled altogether. Let's see how the next few months pan out, but I would say there is a significant chance the Euros will be postponed, perhaps to summer 2021.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 14:06:41 GMT
Kill hundreds of millions? put the daily mail down.
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Post by CrackityJones on Mar 9, 2020 14:07:56 GMT
I’ve seen plenty of bog roll style over reaction lately but you’ve just trumped the lot, chwarae teg squatter.
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Post by jbt95 on Mar 9, 2020 16:50:45 GMT
There's a global pandemic on the loose which has the potential to kill 100s of millions of people and governments are already taking unprecedented actions in closing off entire regions of countries, quarantining millions of people and cancelling all public gatherings. To say 'I can't see them moving games now' seems a little out of kilter with the fact we are facing potentially a world-changing event unprecedented in all our lifetimes, and the bonkers format of the Euros is basically a plague's Christmases all come at once. If the Euros were scheduled for next month, they would at best be now confined to behind closed doors, more likely postponed/cancelled altogether. Let's see how the next few months pan out, but I would say there is a significant chance the Euros will be postponed, perhaps to summer 2021. You read my post out of context. I meant I can't see them moving the games away from Italy on the scheduled dates. It's too short notice.
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Post by squatter1 on Mar 9, 2020 17:03:59 GMT
Kill hundreds of millions? put the daily mail down. Never read the Mail, but do read New Scientist. Mortality rate of coronavirus = 3.4% (WHO, March 3) Current population of earth 7.5 billion 3.4% x 7.5bn = c230m people would be the current estimate of global deaths if coronavirus becomes pandemic and travels through the human population. As I said, it has the potential to kill 100s of millions if it is not contained. 1918, Spanish flu, with a mortality rate less than coronavirus (2-3%) killed something between 50-100m people, when there was a total of 1.9bn on the planet, and without the hyper-connectivity of the globalised world. Make sense to you?
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Post by larslagerback on Mar 9, 2020 17:34:11 GMT
Kill hundreds of millions? put the daily mail down. Never read the Mail, but do read New Scientist. Mortality rate of coronavirus = 3.4% (WHO, March 3) Current population of earth 7.5 billion 3.4% x 7.5bn = c230m people would be the current estimate of global deaths if coronavirus becomes pandemic and travels through the human population. As I said, it has the potential to kill 100s of millions if it is not contained. 1918, Spanish flu, with a mortality rate less than coronavirus (2-3%) killed something between 50-100m people, when there was a total of 1.9bn on the planet, and without the hyper-connectivity of the globalised world. Make sense to you? There is much debate on the actual mortality rate of coronavirus though with many putting it at a much lower percentage. Your point is valid though.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 9, 2020 17:34:15 GMT
Kill hundreds of millions? put the daily mail down. Never read the Mail, but do read New Scientist. Mortality rate of coronavirus = 3.4% (WHO, March 3) Current population of earth 7.5 billion 3.4% x 7.5bn = c230m people would be the current estimate of global deaths if coronavirus becomes pandemic and travels through the human population. As I said, it has the potential to kill 100s of millions if it is not contained. 1918, Spanish flu, with a mortality rate less than coronavirus (2-3%) killed something between 50-100m people, when there was a total of 1.9bn on the planet, and without the hyper-connectivity of the globalised world. Make sense to you? Sorry your methodology to calculate this is flawed. You are assuming that every human on Earth will contract coronavirus in your calculations, which isn't the accurate contraction rate. A more accurate way of looking at it would be by using China (the source, hence the most severely affected country) as an example to evaluate the possible effects elsewhere. China currently has had 80,859 cases of the virus according to this account... China has a population of 1,386,000,000, and therefore a contraction rate of 0.00583%. At that % of contraction you're talking about a maximum of 438,999 worldwide cases, and using the mortality rate you've quoted (which I haven't checked) that equates to potential 14,926 deaths worldwide. Please be careful what you read in future my friend, and I hope you re-evaluate your opinions and perceptions on this issue in light of the reality and facts.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 9, 2020 17:34:51 GMT
Never read the Mail, but do read New Scientist. Mortality rate of coronavirus = 3.4% (WHO, March 3) Current population of earth 7.5 billion 3.4% x 7.5bn = c230m people would be the current estimate of global deaths if coronavirus becomes pandemic and travels through the human population. As I said, it has the potential to kill 100s of millions if it is not contained. 1918, Spanish flu, with a mortality rate less than coronavirus (2-3%) killed something between 50-100m people, when there was a total of 1.9bn on the planet, and without the hyper-connectivity of the globalised world. Make sense to you? There is much debate on the actual mortality rate of coronavirus though with many putting it at a much lower percentage. Your point is valid though. His point isn't valid. See below my post re: the correct figures.
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Post by squatter1 on Mar 9, 2020 18:28:20 GMT
Allezlesrouge: dude, China has contained their outbreak currently by the wholesale shutting down and cordoning off of a city of 11 million people for three weeks and counting. Troops on the street, no-one in, no-one out. Everyone staying at home, no work, no pubs, no restaurants, no social activity. 11m people, three f*cking weeks. Yes, if the rest of the world acts with that level of iron-fisted clampdown, then maybe the outbreak can be contained. But do you see that happening in the Western democracies?
My points completely stand a) if coronavirus is not contained it has the potential to kill 100s of millions of people b) therefore no matter what anyone says in Uefa/FIFA/this message board, if the outbreak continues to spread Euro 2020 is fucked because governments will pull it.
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Post by robin1864 on Mar 9, 2020 18:41:17 GMT
I see it as a huge positive if it kills "Hundreds of millions", house prices will fall massively so I'll be on the property ladder before 30 and more importantly emissions will have been cut by a fair bit too. Sometimes nature gives us the shove to help us solve our self-inflicted problems.
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Post by welshiron on Mar 9, 2020 18:49:03 GMT
I see it as a huge positive if it kills "Hundreds of millions", house prices will fall massively so I'll be on the property ladder before 30 and more importantly emissions will have been cut by a fair bit too. Sometimes nature gives us the shove to help us solve our self-inflicted problems. Or you could get a job so you can get a mortgage.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 19:03:56 GMT
I see it as a huge positive if it kills "Hundreds of millions", house prices will fall massively so I'll be on the property ladder before 30 and more importantly emissions will have been cut by a fair bit too. Sometimes nature gives us the shove to help us solve our self-inflicted problems. Or you could get a job so you can get a mortgage. Back in my parents day that's all it took, yeah. It was an actual ladder as well. Watch that investment grow in value, move to a bigger home as the family grew. Economy's taken a battering since then though. It's a big step to build a decent deposit while paying sky-high rents, and God help you if you have kids young. Parents who don't realise how good they had it are kicking their kids out at 18 expecting them to be independent, but the world doesn't work that way any more. If you don't have help to make those first steps it can mean a lifetime of debt and living paycheque to paycheque.
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Post by iot on Mar 9, 2020 19:10:31 GMT
Well this thread has gone in an interesting direction...
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Post by squatter1 on Mar 9, 2020 19:11:26 GMT
I see it as a huge positive if it kills "Hundreds of millions", house prices will fall massively so I'll be on the property ladder before 30 and more importantly emissions will have been cut by a fair bit too. Sometimes nature gives us the shove to help us solve our self-inflicted problems. PSYCHO ALERT!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 19:14:52 GMT
Well this thread has gone in an interesting direction... Not like there's going to be a tournament to talk about. Italy just suspended its domestic sports until April, and there's little chance it'll end there.
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Post by iot on Mar 9, 2020 20:01:06 GMT
Well this thread has gone in an interesting direction... Not like there's going to be a tournament to talk about. Italy just suspended its domestic sports until April, and there's little chance it'll end there. I know and I'd be very surprised if my flights are covered
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 9, 2020 20:17:08 GMT
Allezlesrouge: dude, China has contained their outbreak currently by the wholesale shutting down and cordoning off of a city of 11 million people for three weeks and counting. Troops on the street, no-one in, no-one out. Everyone staying at home, no work, no pubs, no restaurants, no social activity. 11m people, three f*cking weeks. Yes, if the rest of the world acts with that level of iron-fisted clampdown, then maybe the outbreak can be contained. But do you see that happening in the Western democracies? My points completely stand a) if coronavirus is not contained it has the potential to kill 100s of millions of people b) therefore no matter what anyone says in Uefa/FIFA/this message board, if the outbreak continues to spread Euro 2020 is fucked because governments will pull it. Your points don't stand. The way you went about calculating hundreds of millions would die was completely wrong and has no mathematical or scientific basis. It won't happen, and I'll bet you £50 right now the number will be not be in the hundreds of millions.
I'm not saying anything about whether they will or won't pull the tournament, I could never predict that. But please stop spreading misinformation about how many people could die when it's been proven incorrect.
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Post by welshiron on Mar 9, 2020 20:41:28 GMT
Or you could get a job so you can get a mortgage. Back in my parents day that's all it took, yeah. It was an actual ladder as well. Watch that investment grow in value, move to a bigger home as the family grew. Economy's taken a battering since then though. It's a big step to build a decent deposit while paying sky-high rents, and God help you if you have kids young. Parents who don't realise how good they had it are kicking their kids out at 18 expecting them to be independent, but the world doesn't work that way any more. If you don't have help to make those first steps it can mean a lifetime of debt and living paycheque to paycheque. Renting is more expensive than a mortgage. The issue is often the deposit
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Post by squatter1 on Mar 9, 2020 20:46:41 GMT
Allezlesrouge: dude, China has contained their outbreak currently by the wholesale shutting down and cordoning off of a city of 11 million people for three weeks and counting. Troops on the street, no-one in, no-one out. Everyone staying at home, no work, no pubs, no restaurants, no social activity. 11m people, three f*cking weeks. Yes, if the rest of the world acts with that level of iron-fisted clampdown, then maybe the outbreak can be contained. But do you see that happening in the Western democracies? My points completely stand a) if coronavirus is not contained it has the potential to kill 100s of millions of people b) therefore no matter what anyone says in Uefa/FIFA/this message board, if the outbreak continues to spread Euro 2020 is fucked because governments will pull it. Your points don't stand. The way you went about calculating hundreds of millions would die was completely wrong and has no mathematical or scientific basis. It won't happen, and I'll bet you £50 right now the number will be not be in the hundreds of millions.
I'm not saying anything about whether they will or won't pull the tournament, I could never predict that. But please stop spreading misinformation about how many people could die when it's been proven incorrect. My misguided yet strangely self-confident friend: A PANDEMIC WITH 2-3% MORTALITY HAS THE POTENTIAL TO KILL 100s OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE IF IT IS NOT CONTAINED!!!!!!!!That's why the world is going fucking mental trying to shut it down right now, taking measures none of us here have ever witnessed in our lifetimes. Because this situation has never happened in our lifetimes. Hopefully nowhere near that amount of people will die, and it will be contained. But if this thing gets out of control, those are the stakes. And none of your magical thinking will make that go away.
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Post by robin1864 on Mar 9, 2020 20:47:33 GMT
Or you could get a job so you can get a mortgage. Back in my parents day that's all it took, yeah. It was an actual ladder as well. Watch that investment grow in value, move to a bigger home as the family grew. Economy's taken a battering since then though. It's a big step to build a decent deposit while paying sky-high rents, and God help you if you have kids young. Parents who don't realise how good they had it are kicking their kids out at 18 expecting them to be independent, but the world doesn't work that way any more. If you don't have help to make those first steps it can mean a lifetime of debt and living paycheque to paycheque. Leave the boomer alone, don't shatter his perception that everyone today has it easier. I probably won't move out until I'm 25. Half tempted to wait until a market crash occurs before thinking of buying, it's ridiculous seeing 2-bed terraces going for £100k+ when my parents got our 3-bed semi back in 1999 for £80k.
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Post by welshiron on Mar 9, 2020 20:53:45 GMT
Boomer 🤣😂
I moved to a shit area as that's all I could afford took 2 moves before I lived where I wanted to along with plenty of hard work.
No financial assistance from parents so not handed to me on a plate.
Maybe stop blaming everyone else would be a good start
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Post by welshiron on Mar 9, 2020 20:56:12 GMT
Back in my parents day that's all it took, yeah. It was an actual ladder as well. Watch that investment grow in value, move to a bigger home as the family grew. Economy's taken a battering since then though. It's a big step to build a decent deposit while paying sky-high rents, and God help you if you have kids young. Parents who don't realise how good they had it are kicking their kids out at 18 expecting them to be independent, but the world doesn't work that way any more. If you don't have help to make those first steps it can mean a lifetime of debt and living paycheque to paycheque. Leave the boomer alone, don't shatter his perception that everyone today has it easier. I probably won't move out until I'm 25. Half tempted to wait until a market crash occurs before thinking of buying, it's ridiculous seeing 2-bed terraces going for £100k+ when my parents got our 3-bed semi back in 1999 for £80k. That 100k house will probably be worth substantiakly more in 20 years.
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Post by playslikeiniesta on Mar 9, 2020 20:57:01 GMT
Serie A has been officially suspended in Italy.
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Post by iot on Mar 9, 2020 20:57:34 GMT
Your points don't stand. The way you went about calculating hundreds of millions would die was completely wrong and has no mathematical or scientific basis. It won't happen, and I'll bet you £50 right now the number will be not be in the hundreds of millions.
I'm not saying anything about whether they will or won't pull the tournament, I could never predict that. But please stop spreading misinformation about how many people could die when it's been proven incorrect. My misguided yet strangely self-confident friend: A PANDEMIC WITH 2-3% MORTALITY HAS THE POTENTIAL TO KILL 100s OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE IF IT IS NOT CONTAINED!!!!!!!!That's why the world is going fucking mental trying to shut it down right now, taking measures none of us here have ever witnessed in our lifetimes. Because this situation has never happened in our lifetimes. Hopefully nowhere near that amount of people will die, and it will be contained. But if this thing gets out of control, those are the stakes. And none of your magical thinking will make that go away. You could say that about anything - it's not outside the realms of possibility that a meteor strike hits us before the euros and wipes us all out. But it's not going to happen so it's pointless saying it. Your calculation is based on every single person getting it and then crudely applying the overall mortality rate. Have you looked at how the mortality breaks down by age? It's around 15% for over 80s, 8% for over 70s, but by the time you come down to <50 it's less than half a percent. The older you are, the more likely you are to get it too (or at least know that you've got it so it's recorded). Not to mention the work that's currently taking place to develop vaccines to combat it. So applying a 2-3% mortality rate to the entire population is absolutely bonkers.
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Post by superunknown on Mar 9, 2020 21:01:48 GMT
Serie A has been officially suspended in Italy. Worrying. Feel like we're creeping closer and closer to the Euros being at real risk of being called off.
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