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Post by manulike on Nov 17, 2019 17:20:59 GMT
No. Had enough. Let's sack the game off on Tuesday and compete in the China cup again. This won't be a popular opinion, but personally I hope we play a big friendly in the Principality Stadium on Saturday 28th March, so long as we win Tuesday coming. Annoying next March the South American World Cup qualifiers start. Maybe we could ask Mexico though as their qualifiers don't start till later in the year. #MEXICO.YES.BAKU.NO
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Post by manulike on Nov 17, 2019 17:33:51 GMT
Am I right in thinking that if we DON'T qualify directly, but end up beating Denmark/ROI in the play offs, then we take their spot as host cities in groups B/E - assuming we win the final match as well?
Beat ROI and then win the final and go into Group E - Dublin and Bilbao. Beat Denmark and then win the final and go into Group B - St Petersburg and Copenhagen.
Simples?
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Post by bazpugh76 on Nov 17, 2019 17:45:10 GMT
Sorry if this has already been covered elsewhere but can't see a thread title which would cover it as such. It's very likely we would be ranked either 19th or 20th provided we beat Hungary on Tuesday. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2020_qualifying#Overall_rankingFinland have Greece away which if they fail to win, and we qualify by beating Hungary, we'd overtake to 19th, but other than that it's very unlikely we'd get to 18th place in the ranking (which is pot 3) - for example we would need Sweden not to win v Faroe Islands, Turkey losing to Andorra, or Switzerland losing by a few v Gibraltar. (C'mon any of the minnows!) Out of the host countries, Scotland and Romania are definitely in the play-offs at the moment and if we qualify Hungary also make it in there so it means we wouldn't be able to be drawn into Groups C, D or F - as all play-off winners are fourth seeds. So that leaves us with Groups A, B or E. If ROI don't beat Denmark, they'd be in the play-offs and again the same situation as C D or F meaning we couldn't go into E - leaving us with A and B. If ROI beat Denmark, we would be able to go into A or E as Denmark would be in the play-offs. Group A - Rome and Baku. Group B - St Petersburg and Copenhagen. Group E - Dublin and Bilbao. Group A - We'd see 2 games in Baku. We could find ourselves playing Italy in the opening match, or having Italy in the middle of two games in Baku. Playing Italy last after two games in Baku would probably be the best bet. We'd face a seed two and three side as Italy are confirmed as Pot 1. Group B - We'd face Denmark and Russia in their own stadiums alongside a pot 1 team which is very likely to be Belgium. Other Pot 1 teams are likely all to be hosts as well as Ukraine (who cannot be drawn v Russia for political reasons). Group E - Face Spain in Bilbao and Ireland in Dublin. Likely Spain will finish as top seeds so we'd face a second seed team. Probably best for us if ROI qualify as then we would avoid Group B - which I'd be surprised if we got out of. If Finland and ROI both win Monday night, and we beat Hungary, we are definitely the fourth seeded team in Group A. Annoyingly, had Cardiff got the games Brussels withdrew from - and the English FA stole off either us or Sweden - I would think it likely it would have been a Cardiff and Glasgow pairing; meaning all 3 of our games would've been at 'home' (in the bigger Cardiff stadium)! Instead we might have to go twice to Baku! Interesting post ! Is it definite if we are in Group A we'd face two games in Baku ? Is it not possible we could have two games in Rome ?
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Post by playslikeiniesta on Nov 17, 2019 17:51:20 GMT
What an absolute farce. So basically IF we qualify, there are only 3 groups we are likely to be drawn in to which are Rome/Baku, Copenhagen/St. Petersburg and Dublin/Bilbao?
Basically no way we can get in to any of the other groups then?
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 17, 2019 18:17:49 GMT
Sorry if this has already been covered elsewhere but can't see a thread title which would cover it as such. It's very likely we would be ranked either 19th or 20th provided we beat Hungary on Tuesday. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2020_qualifying#Overall_rankingFinland have Greece away which if they fail to win, and we qualify by beating Hungary, we'd overtake to 19th, but other than that it's very unlikely we'd get to 18th place in the ranking (which is pot 3) - for example we would need Sweden not to win v Faroe Islands, Turkey losing to Andorra, or Switzerland losing by a few v Gibraltar. (C'mon any of the minnows!) Out of the host countries, Scotland and Romania are definitely in the play-offs at the moment and if we qualify Hungary also make it in there so it means we wouldn't be able to be drawn into Groups C, D or F - as all play-off winners are fourth seeds. So that leaves us with Groups A, B or E. If ROI don't beat Denmark, they'd be in the play-offs and again the same situation as C D or F meaning we couldn't go into E - leaving us with A and B. If ROI beat Denmark, we would be able to go into A or E as Denmark would be in the play-offs. Group A - Rome and Baku. Group B - St Petersburg and Copenhagen. Group E - Dublin and Bilbao. Group A - We'd see 2 games in Baku. We could find ourselves playing Italy in the opening match, or having Italy in the middle of two games in Baku. Playing Italy last after two games in Baku would probably be the best bet. We'd face a seed two and three side as Italy are confirmed as Pot 1. Group B - We'd face Denmark and Russia in their own stadiums alongside a pot 1 team which is very likely to be Belgium. Other Pot 1 teams are likely all to be hosts as well as Ukraine (who cannot be drawn v Russia for political reasons). Group E - Face Spain in Bilbao and Ireland in Dublin. Likely Spain will finish as top seeds so we'd face a second seed team. Probably best for us if ROI qualify as then we would avoid Group B - which I'd be surprised if we got out of. If Finland and ROI both win Monday night, and we beat Hungary, we are definitely the fourth seeded team in Group A. Annoyingly, had Cardiff got the games Brussels withdrew from - and the English FA stole off either us or Sweden - I would think it likely it would have been a Cardiff and Glasgow pairing; meaning all 3 of our games would've been at 'home' (in the bigger Cardiff stadium)! Instead we might have to go twice to Baku! Interesting post ! Is it definite if we are in Group A we'd face two games in Baku ? Is it not possible we could have two games in Rome ? Yes defo two in Baku as host nations are guaranteed all three games at their own place if the other host does not automatically qualify. Azerbaijan cannot qualify so Italy have all three games in Rome. As Scotland cannot automatically qualify, England have all three of their group matches at Wembley.
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Post by welshlala on Nov 17, 2019 18:18:50 GMT
Sorry if this has already been covered elsewhere but can't see a thread title which would cover it as such. It's very likely we would be ranked either 19th or 20th provided we beat Hungary on Tuesday. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2020_qualifying#Overall_rankingFinland have Greece away which if they fail to win, and we qualify by beating Hungary, we'd overtake to 19th, but other than that it's very unlikely we'd get to 18th place in the ranking (which is pot 3) - for example we would need Sweden not to win v Faroe Islands, Turkey losing to Andorra, or Switzerland losing by a few v Gibraltar. (C'mon any of the minnows!) Out of the host countries, Scotland and Romania are definitely in the play-offs at the moment and if we qualify Hungary also make it in there so it means we wouldn't be able to be drawn into Groups C, D or F - as all play-off winners are fourth seeds. So that leaves us with Groups A, B or E. If ROI don't beat Denmark, they'd be in the play-offs and again the same situation as C D or F meaning we couldn't go into E - leaving us with A and B. If ROI beat Denmark, we would be able to go into A or E as Denmark would be in the play-offs. Group A - Rome and Baku. Group B - St Petersburg and Copenhagen. Group E - Dublin and Bilbao. Group A - We'd see 2 games in Baku. We could find ourselves playing Italy in the opening match, or having Italy in the middle of two games in Baku. Playing Italy last after two games in Baku would probably be the best bet. We'd face a seed two and three side as Italy are confirmed as Pot 1. Group B - We'd face Denmark and Russia in their own stadiums alongside a pot 1 team which is very likely to be Belgium. Other Pot 1 teams are likely all to be hosts as well as Ukraine (who cannot be drawn v Russia for political reasons). Group E - Face Spain in Bilbao and Ireland in Dublin. Likely Spain will finish as top seeds so we'd face a second seed team. Probably best for us if ROI qualify as then we would avoid Group B - which I'd be surprised if we got out of. If Finland and ROI both win Monday night, and we beat Hungary, we are definitely the fourth seeded team in Group A. Annoyingly, had Cardiff got the games Brussels withdrew from - and the English FA stole off either us or Sweden - I would think it likely it would have been a Cardiff and Glasgow pairing; meaning all 3 of our games would've been at 'home' (in the bigger Cardiff stadium)! Instead we might have to go twice to Baku! Interesting post ! Is it definite if we are in Group A we'd face two games in Baku ? Is it not possible we could have two games in Rome ? No because Italy will play all there games in rome .
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 17, 2019 18:21:05 GMT
Am I right in thinking that if we DON'T qualify directly, but end up beating Denmark/ROI in the play offs, then we take their spot as host cities in groups B/E - assuming we win the final match as well? Beat ROI and then win the final and go into Group E - Dublin and Bilbao. Beat Denmark and then win the final and go into Group B - St Petersburg and Copenhagen. Simples? Yeah that's right, I'm not 100% sure on the 'play-off paths'. Could we go into a play off v Romania or Scotland potentially anybody know and take their spots?
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Post by bazpugh76 on Nov 17, 2019 18:23:25 GMT
Interesting post ! Is it definite if we are in Group A we'd face two games in Baku ? Is it not possible we could have two games in Rome ? Yes defo two in Baku as host nations are guaranteed all three games at their own place if the other host does not automatically qualify. Azerbaijan cannot qualify so Italy have all three games in Rome. As Scotland cannot automatically qualify, England have all three of their group matches at Wembley. Ah ok , so apart from Italy the other three sides making up the group all play each other in Baku ?
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 17, 2019 18:23:55 GMT
Yes defo two in Baku as host nations are guaranteed all three games at their own place if the other host does not automatically qualify. Azerbaijan cannot qualify so Italy have all three games in Rome. As Scotland cannot automatically qualify, England have all three of their group matches at Wembley. Ah ok , so apart from Italy the other three sides making up the group all play each other in Baku ? Yes
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Post by cadno on Nov 17, 2019 18:52:05 GMT
Ah ok , so apart from Italy the other three sides making up the group all play each other in Baku ? Yes Daft.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 17, 2019 18:56:19 GMT
I thought I'd seen on social media that the likeliest outcome if we beat Hungary is that we end up in the Russia/Denmark/Belgium group. Denmark in Copenhagen, Russia in St Petersburg, Belgium venue to be drawn.
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Post by manulike on Nov 17, 2019 19:10:00 GMT
Am I right in thinking that if we DON'T qualify directly, but end up beating Denmark/ROI in the play offs, then we take their spot as host cities in groups B/E - assuming we win the final match as well? Beat ROI and then win the final and go into Group E - Dublin and Bilbao. Beat Denmark and then win the final and go into Group B - St Petersburg and Copenhagen. Simples? Yeah that's right, I'm not 100% sure on the 'play-off paths'. Could we go into a play off v Romania or Scotland potentially anybody know and take their spots? Thanks. If I understand the play-of correctly, we can not face Scotland. They are fixed in Path C.
We can only face one of ROMANIA (or Bulgaria / Israel) at home - IF THERE ARE FIVE PLAY OFF TEAMS IN GROUP B - which could only happen if HUNGARY qualify. And then there will be a draw to see who from the five will face one of them?
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Post by manulike on Nov 17, 2019 19:13:02 GMT
I thought I'd seen on social media that the likeliest outcome if we beat Hungary is that we end up in the Russia/Denmark/Belgium group. Denmark in Copenhagen, Russia in St Petersburg, Belgium venue to be drawn. I would bite your hand off for that draw ;-))
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Post by helipad138 on Nov 17, 2019 19:19:41 GMT
Am I right in thinking that if we DON'T qualify directly, but end up beating Denmark/ROI in the play offs, then we take their spot as host cities in groups B/E - assuming we win the final match as well? Beat ROI and then win the final and go into Group E - Dublin and Bilbao. Beat Denmark and then win the final and go into Group B - St Petersburg and Copenhagen. Simples? If Slovakia qualify, I think yes. If Hungary qualify, we might get shifted to the league A path which would mean: If Romania move there too, that would put us on course to be in the Ned/Rom group. If Rom stay in league C path with Scot, and they pair it with league A path, we would go to either Ned/Rom or Eng/Sco group. If Rom stay in league C path and that paired with league D, we could go with Ita/Aza, Ger/Hun or whichever of Den and Ire qualify automatically. Though all the above may be wrong and violate section 7 sub section 12 paragraph 3 of uefa draw rules subclause 9c.
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Post by manulike on Nov 17, 2019 19:31:48 GMT
I really hate to say it, but (depending on the results tomorrow) I would not at all be disappointed if we lose Tuesday ... CRAZY!
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Post by alf on Nov 17, 2019 19:42:00 GMT
Am I right in thinking that if we DON'T qualify directly, but end up beating Denmark/ROI in the play offs, then we take their spot as host cities in groups B/E - assuming we win the final match as well? Beat ROI and then win the final and go into Group E - Dublin and Bilbao. Beat Denmark and then win the final and go into Group B - St Petersburg and Copenhagen. Simples? The only good thing about Dublin is its close, nothing else! Would be fun though to play their home games for them, what a piss take that would be!
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Post by manulike on Nov 17, 2019 19:49:29 GMT
Am I right in thinking that if we DON'T qualify directly, but end up beating Denmark/ROI in the play offs, then we take their spot as host cities in groups B/E - assuming we win the final match as well? Beat ROI and then win the final and go into Group E - Dublin and Bilbao. Beat Denmark and then win the final and go into Group B - St Petersburg and Copenhagen. Simples? The only good thing about Dublin is its close, nothing else! Would be fun though to play their home games for them, what a piss take that would be! I still got about €5 credit on my Leap Card ;-)
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 17, 2019 19:51:58 GMT
Am I right in thinking that if we DON'T qualify directly, but end up beating Denmark/ROI in the play offs, then we take their spot as host cities in groups B/E - assuming we win the final match as well? Beat ROI and then win the final and go into Group E - Dublin and Bilbao. Beat Denmark and then win the final and go into Group B - St Petersburg and Copenhagen. Simples? Though all the above may be wrong and violate section 7 sub section 12 paragraph 3 of uefa draw rules subclause 9c. that made me laugh!
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Post by helipad138 on Nov 17, 2019 19:53:53 GMT
Not saying this will be us, but if the runner up in group A reach the last eight, their reward is a THIRD game in Baku.
Talk about short straws...
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 17, 2019 19:54:01 GMT
I thought I'd seen on social media that the likeliest outcome if we beat Hungary is that we end up in the Russia/Denmark/Belgium group. Denmark in Copenhagen, Russia in St Petersburg, Belgium venue to be drawn. I would bite your hand off for that draw ;-)) I think that would be the hardest group possible.
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Post by sleepy on Nov 17, 2019 20:20:30 GMT
I really hate to say it, but (depending on the results tomorrow) I would not at all be disappointed if we lose Tuesday ... CRAZY! Why? Because of the poor trip options?
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Post by manulike on Nov 17, 2019 20:43:23 GMT
Not saying this will be us, but if the runner up in group A reach the last eight, their reward is a THIRD game in Baku. Talk about short straws... Yes. To Sex things up even more, that same path has a trip to AMSTERDAM for last 16...
So its UK-Baku-Rome-Baku-Amsterdam-Baku-London
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Post by manulike on Nov 17, 2019 20:47:17 GMT
I really hate to say it, but (depending on the results tomorrow) I would not at all be disappointed if we lose Tuesday ... CRAZY! Why? Because of the poor trip options? I know its not all about the fans ... but a tournament (as opposed to qualifiers) is a celebration FOR the fans. Happy to put in the miles and go to Moldova/Albania/Serbia/Georgia/Kiev/China etc. but would much prefer 30,000 bouncing Welsh fans and great atmosphere in the Aviva Stadium, than 3000 or 4000 fans in a half empty Baku Olympic stadium ;-(
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Post by sleepy on Nov 17, 2019 20:49:35 GMT
Why? Because of the poor trip options? I know its not all about the fans ... but a tournament (as opposed to qualifiers) is a celebration for the fans. Happy to put in the miles and go to Moldova/Albania/Serbia/Georgia/Kiev/China etc. but would much prefer 30,000 bouncing Welsh fans and great atmosphere in the Aviva Stadium, than 3000 or 4000 fans in a half empty Baku stadium ;-( I agree it's not ideal. But isn't it more about continuing to inspire generations of kids who want to be the next Kieffer Moore, rather than the trip?
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Post by manulike on Nov 17, 2019 20:54:07 GMT
I know its not all about the fans ... but a tournament (as opposed to qualifiers) is a celebration for the fans. Happy to put in the miles and go to Moldova/Albania/Serbia/Georgia/Kiev/China etc. but would much prefer 30,000 bouncing Welsh fans and great atmosphere in the Aviva Stadium, than 3000 or 4000 fans in a half empty Baku stadium ;-( I agree it's not ideal. But isn't it more about continuing to inspire generations of kids who want to be the next Kieffer Moore, rather than the trip? Totally accept that. Hence, I would love to qualify outright, just not need to travel to Rome/Baku/Amsterdam. Anywhere else is fine by me - and I will certainly aim to attend all games.
I reserve the right to sit on my hands on Tuesday night, if Finland and ROI win their games tomorrow ;-((((
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Post by insertname on Nov 17, 2019 21:46:32 GMT
Why? Because of the poor trip options? I know its not all about the fans ... but a tournament (as opposed to qualifiers) is a celebration FOR the fans. Happy to put in the miles and go to Moldova/Albania/Serbia/Georgia/Kiev/China etc. but would much prefer 30,000 bouncing Welsh fans and great atmosphere in the Aviva Stadium, than 3000 or 4000 fans in a half empty Baku Olympic stadium ;-( Never understood that personally, imo because we have such a poor qualifying record by actually qualifying for a change it captures the imagination far more to qualify for a tournament in some far flung part of the world, Russia, Poland and Ukraine, Japan, Brazil etc. For me it was kind of typical that we finally qualify and the tournament was pretty much on our doorstep! So it’s always been a good thing imo that England have not held a tournament since 1996. That being said I do agree about the choice of Baku as a venue, if Arsenal and Chelsea couldn’t attract enough locals then you have to wonder how games there between non-native countries are going to fill the stadiums sufficiently to make it a spectacle. They’ll end up giving tickets away to local schools probably.
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Post by helipad138 on Nov 18, 2019 16:58:47 GMT
So if Ireland beat Denmark, could they end up as 19th and Wales 20th? And would that mean we would definitely be in the Rome/Baku group? If Finland beat Greece, Ireland beat Denmark and we beat beat Hungary - yes - Finland would finish 18th, ROI 19th and us 20th. Hungary, Scotland, Denmark and Romania would be in the play-offs. All other host nations would have qualified other than Azerbaijan who can't. All play-off routes would involve one host in different groups, and with ROI as another fourth seed in their group, that would only leave one left group left of the 6 for us - A. Looks like Czech Republic's defeat yesterday could cost them. Assuming straightforward wins for Swiss/Swedes, a Finland win would see Czech Republic end up as fourth seeds. ROI would also go above them if they win tonight, meaning ROI would end up as third seeds. Doesn't mean much for us, other than there will at least be one alternative to the Baku/Rome group if we win tomorrow.
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Post by manulike on Nov 18, 2019 19:48:25 GMT
If Finland beat Greece, Ireland beat Denmark and we beat beat Hungary - yes - Finland would finish 18th, ROI 19th and us 20th. Hungary, Scotland, Denmark and Romania would be in the play-offs. All other host nations would have qualified other than Azerbaijan who can't. All play-off routes would involve one host in different groups, and with ROI as another fourth seed in their group, that would only leave one left group left of the 6 for us - A. Looks like Czech Republic's defeat yesterday could cost them. Assuming straightforward wins for Swiss/Swedes, a Finland win would see Czech Republic end up as fourth seeds. ROI would also go above them if they win tonight, meaning ROI would end up as third seeds. Doesn't mean much for us, other than there will at least be one alternative to the Baku/Rome group if we win tomorrow. Thank you for giving me hope ;-)
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Post by manulike on Nov 18, 2019 21:19:17 GMT
As things stand at the moment, we overtake Finland into 19th in the league with a win tomorrow. That is assuming N Ire don't beat Germany away tomorrow, then they are 19th and we are 20...
AND THE POSSIBLE PLAY OFF SCENARIO
We draw tomorrow and we are CERTAIN TO PLAY ROI in Cardiff
We lose tomorrow, we are still CERTAIN TO HAVE A HOME SEMI FINAL to any of ROI/Slovakia/Israel/Romania
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Post by helipad138 on Nov 18, 2019 21:56:35 GMT
So, win tomorrow and it's Baku/Rome or Copenhagen/St.Petersberg.
Lose tomorrow and qualify from playoffs it's Dublin/ Bilbao or Bucharest/Amsterdam.
Draw tomorrow and win playoffs likely adds Munich/ Budapest to the 'lose' options above.
I think... can you do a degree in UEFA fixture scheduling?
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