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Post by zakbaby on Nov 19, 2019 23:49:07 GMT
Ref was excellent tonight. Played a couple of great advantages and kept his cards in his pocket
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Post by rioonamazy on Nov 19, 2019 23:53:04 GMT
Rumours/twitter that Wales can only be grouped in A.B (Rome.Baku _ Copenhagen.St Petersburg) due to all complications with hosts n waring nations... Any truth to this.
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Post by rioonamazy on Nov 20, 2019 0:20:07 GMT
looking at footballseeding.com. Apparently we can draw all bar E.
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Post by pendragon on Nov 20, 2019 0:46:06 GMT
I think he let a few things slip under the radar, but more often than not, he got it right.
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Post by manulike on Nov 20, 2019 0:58:25 GMT
So it's now just a straight toss-up between Baku/Rome and Copenhagen/Saint Petersburg? From what I gather from the ESPN twitter account its 50/50 between us and Finland ;-(
Surely the Finns would appreciate the 45c sunshine a lot more than us - can we not just come to a deal ;-))
GROUP B is pretty much nailed on to be Russia, Denmark and Belgium
GROUP A is more complex:
Italy One of France/Poland/Switzerland/Croatia One of Portugal/Turkey/Austria/Sweden/Czech Republic Wales or Finland
... So we could have Italy, Portugal and France OR we could even end up with Italy, Switzerland and Czech Rep ...
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Post by welshlala on Nov 20, 2019 2:03:36 GMT
So it's now just a straight toss-up between Baku/Rome and Copenhagen/Saint Petersburg? From what I gather from the ESPN twitter account its 50/50 between us and Finland ;-(
Surely the Finns would appreciate the 45c sunshine a lot more than us - can we not just come to a deal ;-))
GROUP B is pretty much nailed on to be Russia, Denmark and Belgium
GROUP A is more complex:
Italy One of France/Poland/Switzerland/Croatia One of Portugal/Turkey/Austria/Sweden/Czech Republic Wales or Finland
... So we could have Italy, Portugal and France OR we could even end up with Italy, Switzerland and Czech Rep ...
What a fun group Italy,France,Portugal and Wales would be .
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Post by impeachabull on Nov 20, 2019 5:31:32 GMT
Rumours/twitter that Wales can only be grouped in A.B (Rome.Baku _ Copenhagen.St Petersburg) due to all complications with hosts n waring nations... Any truth to this. Definitely Group A or B. We're fourth seeds along with Finland, the four other fourth seeds will come from the play-offs. All of the fourth seed spots in other groups are reserved for hosts in case they qualify from the play-offs. So Group C, Romania; D, Scotland; E, Ireland; and F, Hungary.
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Post by impeachabull on Nov 20, 2019 6:43:58 GMT
The groups: Group A | B | C | D | E | F | Italy | Belgium | Ukraine | England | Spain | Germany | Seed 2 | Russia | Netherlands | Seed 2 | Seed 2 | Seed 2 | Seed 3 | Denmark | Seed 3 | Seed 3 | Seed 3 | Seed 3 | Finland/Wales | Finland/Wales | Play-off winner | Play-off winner | Play-off winner* | Play-off winner
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The seeds (who have yet to be confirmed in a group): Pot 2 | Pot 3 | Pot 4 | France | Portugal | Wales | Poland | Turkey | Finland | Switzerland | Austria | Play-off winner | Croatia | Sweden | Play-off winner |
| Czech Republic | Play-off winner
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Copenhagen is by far the smallest ground in the tournament (38,000) so if we do play two games there then the allocation would be pretty small. The English FA say their allocation will be 5,000 if they play there in the R16. I'd expect something similar for our group games, albeit potentially slightly larger (there seem to be more tickets reserved for FAs in the group games than the knock-out games). There's no real difference between Baku, Rome, and Saint Petersburg (all have a capacity of about 70,000) and I'd imagine our allocation would be around 12,000 for each of them. For Baku, I imagine anyone who wanted to could secure a ticket fairly easily. The neural seats have gone but I imagine they'll come up fairly cheaply on third party sites since Azerbaijan haven't qualified. Rome and Saint Petersburg will be more difficult since we'll be playing the hosts. All in all, I think the Baku group is best. The travelling is shit if you want to do all three games but there's a much greater likelihood of getting tickets and we only have to play one team 'away' rather than two.
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Post by spiritof16 on Nov 20, 2019 8:42:56 GMT
How nice is this? We can just sit back and enjoy the play offs, safe in the knowledge we have our place secured.
Bliss
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Post by alarch on Nov 20, 2019 8:52:06 GMT
Trying to kill time before the game. Group B looks pretty much confirmed as: Denmark Russia Belgium Finland/ Wales That's a nightmare of a group. Denmark and Russia away and Belgium on neutral ground. If we manage to win tonight, all my weight is behind Group A! As fourth seeds there won't be any easy groups but your assessment of Group B as a "nightmare" is wide of the mark. In fact that group is close to one of the best we could draw. These are the permutations for Groups A and B: Group A: Italy, France/Poland/Switzerland/Croatia, Portugal/Turkey/Austria/Sweden/Czech Republic, Wales or Finland Group B: Belgium, Denmark, Russia, Wales or Finland So, we could end in a group of Italy, France and Portugal. Fancy that anyone? The best we could hope for is Italy, Switzerland, Czech Republic, which is barely better than Belgium, Russia, Denmark. I don't think we should attach too much significance to previous results. I don't anyone will think that we will be favourites against Belgium if we play them, given their formidable squad and form. Equally, Denmark's recent double over us was as much down to Giggs' ineptitude as any natural superiority in the Danish team - which doesn't exist. Russia have improved since the last Euros, but are they that much better? Thrashed 4-1 at home to Belgium in an easy group suggests not. Group B for me please.
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Post by eppingblue1 on Nov 20, 2019 8:58:13 GMT
Trying to kill time before the game. Group B looks pretty much confirmed as: Denmark Russia Belgium Finland/ Wales That's a nightmare of a group. Denmark and Russia away and Belgium on neutral ground. If we manage to win tonight, all my weight is behind Group A! As fourth seeds there won't be any easy groups but your assessment of Group B as a "nightmare" is wide of the mark. In fact that group is close to one of the best we could draw. These are the permutations for Groups A and B: Group A: Italy, France/Poland/Switzerland/Croatia, Portugal/Turkey/Austria/Sweden/Czech Republic, Wales or Finland Group B: Belgium, Denmark, Russia, Wales or Finland So, we could end in a group of Italy, France and Portugal. Fancy that anyone? The best we could hope for is Italy, Switzerland, Czech Republic, which is barely better than Belgium, Russia, Denmark. I don't think we should attach too much significance to previous results. I don't anyone will think that we will be favourites against Belgium if we play them, given their formidable squad and form. Equally, Denmark's recent double over us was as much down to Giggs' ineptitude as any natural superiority in the Danish team - which doesn't exist. Russia have improved since the last Euros, but are they that much better? Thrashed 4-1 at home to Belgium in an easy group suggests not. Group B for me please. That's been my view. They all difficult particularly when your playing the second best nations in their home ground. Worst bit for me will be the lousy allocation we're likely to get for Copenhagen.
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Post by gwernybwch on Nov 20, 2019 9:21:37 GMT
The groups: Group A | B | C | D | E | F | Italy | Belgium | Ukraine | England | Spain | Germany | Seed 2 | Russia | Netherlands | Seed 2 | Seed 2 | Seed 2 | Seed 3 | Denmark | Seed 3 | Seed 3 | Seed 3 | Seed 3 | Finland/Wales | Finland/Wales | Play-off winner | Play-off winner | Play-off winner* | Seed 4 |
*From League B play-off route
The seeds (who have yet to be confirmed in a group): Pot 2 | Pot 3 | Pot 4 | France | Portugal | Wales | Poland | Turkey | Finland | Switzerland | Austria | Play-off winner | Croatia | Sweden | Play-off winner |
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Thanks for the post. Am I right in thinking that regarding which of us and Finland are in Group A or Group B is now purely down the draw (and that are there are no further permutations possible)?
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Post by kingstonred on Nov 20, 2019 10:37:18 GMT
It's even more frustrating now that we were shafted when it came to hosting Euro 2020!!!
Imagine Wales playing in Cardiff during the European Championship. Cursing the fact they awarded those extra games to Wembley!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 10:51:01 GMT
I'm a bit bored of playing Belgium, Russia and Denmark to be honest.
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Post by johnoster on Nov 20, 2019 11:14:59 GMT
I'm just happy we'll be at the tournament.
Bodes well for world cup qualification which has to be the main aim now.
Young players getting better, stars performing, older players not being missed.
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Nov 20, 2019 11:25:41 GMT
The groups: Group A | B | C | D | E | F | Italy | Belgium | Ukraine | England | Spain | Germany | Seed 2 | Russia | Netherlands | Seed 2 | Seed 2 | Seed 2 | Seed 3 | Denmark | Seed 3 | Seed 3 | Seed 3 | Seed 3 | Finland/Wales | Finland/Wales | Play-off winner | Play-off winner | Play-off winner* | Seed 4 |
*From League B play-off routeGreat post! Am I correct in thinking that Group D would be the Play-off winner from the League C play-off route, as Scotland are one of the teams in it and are set to play in Group D if they do qualify?
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Post by erasedcitizen on Nov 20, 2019 11:27:25 GMT
The groups: Group A | B | C | D | E | F | Italy | Belgium | Ukraine | England | Spain | Germany | Seed 2 | Russia | Netherlands | Seed 2 | Seed 2 | Seed 2 | Seed 3 | Denmark | Seed 3 | Seed 3 | Seed 3 | Seed 3 | Finland/Wales | Finland/Wales | Play-off winner | Play-off winner | Play-off winner* | Seed 4 |
*From League B play-off routeGreat post! Am I correct in thinking that Group D would be the Play-off winner from the League C play-off route, as Scotland are one of the teams in it and are set to play in Group D if they do qualify? Not necessarily as Romania could also qualify that way I believe. If one of them qualify, they'll just get assigned there and then, if not the team that did win will be drawn into a group.
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Post by rushlegend on Nov 20, 2019 11:30:48 GMT
How come Hungary get play-off spot when Slovakia finished above them? 🤔
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Nov 20, 2019 11:35:46 GMT
How come Hungary get play-off spot when Slovakia finished above them? 🤔 It's done by the Nations League. Slovakia get a play-off as well.
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Post by bringbackelmo on Nov 20, 2019 12:48:23 GMT
It's even more frustrating now that we were shafted when it came to hosting Euro 2020!!! Imagine Wales playing in Cardiff during the European Championship. Cursing the fact they awarded those extra games to Wembley!!!! Agreed, that whole thing was a farce.
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Post by welshlala on Nov 20, 2019 13:00:02 GMT
Having so many hosts is one joke and the groups not been a open draw is another joke .
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Post by jono on Nov 20, 2019 13:12:55 GMT
I'm just happy we'll be at the tournament. Bodes well for world cup qualification which has to be the main aim now. Young players getting better, stars performing, older players not being missed. Just a shame the fcking thing is in Qatar! Qualifying for the 2026 one though, would be epic. What a dream trip that would be. US, Canada and Mexico.
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Post by impeachabull on Nov 20, 2019 13:36:42 GMT
Trying to kill time before the game. Group B looks pretty much confirmed as: Denmark Russia Belgium Finland/ Wales That's a nightmare of a group. Denmark and Russia away and Belgium on neutral ground. If we manage to win tonight, all my weight is behind Group A! As fourth seeds there won't be any easy groups but your assessment of Group B as a "nightmare" is wide of the mark. In fact that group is close to one of the best we could draw. These are the permutations for Groups A and B: Group A: Italy, France/Poland/Switzerland/Croatia, Portugal/Turkey/Austria/Sweden/Czech Republic, Wales or Finland Group B: Belgium, Denmark, Russia, Wales or Finland So, we could end in a group of Italy, France and Portugal. Fancy that anyone? The best we could hope for is Italy, Switzerland, Czech Republic, which is barely better than Belgium, Russia, Denmark. I don't think we should attach too much significance to previous results. I don't anyone will think that we will be favourites against Belgium if we play them, given their formidable squad and form. Equally, Denmark's recent double over us was as much down to Giggs' ineptitude as any natural superiority in the Danish team - which doesn't exist. Russia have improved since the last Euros, but are they that much better? Thrashed 4-1 at home to Belgium in an easy group suggests not. Group B for me please. All about opinions, but genuinely don't think you're right here. Just had a quick go at simulating the draw and I get a lower average ranking 66% of the time in Group A rather than B. No worshipper of FIFA rankings but just using them as a somewhat decent indicator of quality. With the, IMO, superior ELO rankings, Group A gets a weaker group about 80% of the time. That's before you factor in the effect of playing two out of three teams away! Baku also seems eminently preferable ticket wise. If we get Italy, France, and Portugal I might change my mind but plumping for B on the very small likelihood of that doesn't seem right to me.
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Post by rioonamazy on Nov 20, 2019 13:40:19 GMT
Cant believe people moaning about not being a host. who the fck wants to qualify and spend the tournament in Wales Eng.Scot.Ire for that matter. Did they not go to france.
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Post by rangers15 on Nov 20, 2019 13:55:01 GMT
couldn't give a flying flip about which group we're in... just bouncing that we got there and we didnt have to go through the play-offs. What a summer we have to look forward to!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Nov 20, 2019 14:03:19 GMT
Trying to kill time before the game. Group B looks pretty much confirmed as: Denmark Russia Belgium Finland/ Wales That's a nightmare of a group. Denmark and Russia away and Belgium on neutral ground. If we manage to win tonight, all my weight is behind Group A! As fourth seeds there won't be any easy groups but your assessment of Group B as a "nightmare" is wide of the mark. In fact that group is close to one of the best we could draw. These are the permutations for Groups A and B: Group A: Italy, France/Poland/Switzerland/Croatia, Portugal/Turkey/Austria/Sweden/Czech Republic, Wales or Finland Group B: Belgium, Denmark, Russia, Wales or Finland So, we could end in a group of Italy, France and Portugal. Fancy that anyone? The best we could hope for is Italy, Switzerland, Czech Republic, which is barely better than Belgium, Russia, Denmark. I don't think we should attach too much significance to previous results. I don't anyone will think that we will be favourites against Belgium if we play them, given their formidable squad and form. Equally, Denmark's recent double over us was as much down to Giggs' ineptitude as any natural superiority in the Danish team - which doesn't exist. Russia have improved since the last Euros, but are they that much better? Thrashed 4-1 at home to Belgium in an easy group suggests not. Group B for me please. I don't think your putting in to consideration the advantage that Denmark and Russia would have over us effectively playing at home in these games. We'd play a top team in Belgium, and then two away games. Group A is definitely a benefit, given that we've got one less away game, and we're likely to have easier sides looking at the potential teams. The only way that Group B isn't more difficult is if we were to draw both France/Croatia and Portugal.
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Nov 20, 2019 14:06:11 GMT
Cant believe people moaning about not being a host. who the fck wants to qualify and spend the tournament in Wales Eng.Scot.Ire for that matter. Did they not go to france. I don't think it's so much that, I think it's complaints that there are too many hosts because if we end up in Group B we could face two teams away from home in a major tournament group stage, which hasn't ever happened before. If we end up in Group A it's an issue because fans are going to really struggle to get between Baku and Rome in time for the games. Still just glad to be there though regardless.
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Post by rioonamazy on Nov 20, 2019 14:10:33 GMT
Looking at uefa match schedule (uefa website)... A1 v A2 is first match in Rome. So is it right to assume A1 is italy as they are opening as hosts and all in rome.
Is it then a draw to see who is A2.3.4 or is Wales A4. ifso we have two in baku.
Group B Then B2 must be Russia (B2 v B1) Denmark must be B3 (B3 v B4) so again if not a draw and Wales B4. Then it could go Copenhagen. st Petersburg . Copenhagen as a draw of who's home is done for teams that are not no.1 seed.
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Post by impeachabull on Nov 20, 2019 14:15:16 GMT
I think it's determined by the draw. That's what Wikipedia seems to think:
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Post by eppingblue1 on Nov 20, 2019 14:16:08 GMT
Looking at uefa match schedule (uefa website)... A1 v A2 is first match in Rome. So is it right to assume A1 is italy as they are opening as hosts and all in rome. Is it then a draw to see who is A2.3.4 or is Wales A4. ifso we have two in baku. Group B Then B2 must be Russia (B2 v B1) Denmark must be B3 (B3 v B4) so again if not a draw and Wales B4. Then it could go Copenhagen. st Petersburg . Copenhagen as a draw of who's home is done for teams that are not no.1 seed. I'm pretty sure it doesn't work like that although if we're in A we're guaranteed to have 2 games in Baku. The numbers don't relate to the seeding and you can be drawn in any order.
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