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Feb 28, 2019 12:52:03 GMT
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Post by allezlesrouges on Feb 28, 2019 12:52:03 GMT
Madrid 3-0 down. Bale just come on. Stats suggests score flatters. Shots (Madrid 12(4) Barcelona 4(2)) Barca deserved the win. A lot of huff and puff from Madrid but as well as Vinicius can take a man on, his end product just isn't there yet. Vazquez offered no quality down the right, just a lot of energy and work rate. Barca were far more clinical with their opportunities, and their front 3 looked streets ahead of Real's front 3.
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Feb 28, 2019 13:35:21 GMT
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Post by welshiron on Feb 28, 2019 13:35:21 GMT
Go on Gareth
Have a few minutes and try a d get us 3 goals.
Think it's time for him to go and I can see a swap deal with Hazard
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Feb 28, 2019 14:37:48 GMT
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Post by dai on Feb 28, 2019 14:37:48 GMT
Perfect time to go, club in disarray and he's not nailed on to start anymore. Madrid will probably have a revamp this summer. Not sure where he goes though.......
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Feb 28, 2019 21:09:08 GMT
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Post by cadno on Feb 28, 2019 21:09:08 GMT
I think he'll go to Bayern in the summer.
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Feb 28, 2019 22:55:15 GMT
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Post by quetzal on Feb 28, 2019 22:55:15 GMT
I think he'll go to Bayern in the summer. Hope so
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Mar 1, 2019 0:18:31 GMT
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Post by insertname on Mar 1, 2019 0:18:31 GMT
I think he'll go to Bayern in the summer. Hope so Waste of time going to some boring hum drum league where the usual suspects win every year- which is most of the major ones these days (Dortmund have put up a decent fight this season but will run out of steam). He's won enough Champions Leagues for one career also. The only place he can go and make a real difference domestically is the premier league and given the way Man United have gone back to their attacking roots he would be a great fit for them. Would they pay his wages though?
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Post by manulike on Mar 1, 2019 0:25:42 GMT
Of course he could just do a Bellamy and help the Bluebirds win the CL - now, that would be an achievement ;-)
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Bale
Mar 1, 2019 1:47:58 GMT
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Post by insertname on Mar 1, 2019 1:47:58 GMT
Of course he could just do a Bellamy and help the Bluebirds win the CL - now, that would be an achievement ;-) Even that would be better than winning easy trophies with the likes of Paris St Germain and Juventus. I hope he goes somewhere where he can really make a profound difference. That being said I reckon he will end up seeing his contract out at Real. It's amazing he has stuck it out this long to be honest so I expect he will continue to confound the rumours and cling on until he is forced out.
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Mar 1, 2019 10:07:55 GMT
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Post by cadno on Mar 1, 2019 10:07:55 GMT
Waste of time going to some boring hum drum league where the usual suspects win every year- which is most of the major ones these days (Dortmund have put up a decent fight this season but will run out of steam). He's won enough Champions Leagues for one career also. The only place he can go and make a real difference domestically is the premier league and given the way Man United have gone back to their attacking roots he would be a great fit for them. Would they pay his wages though? I disagree, I think the premier league is overrated, and he's more likely to enjoy his football and life in the Bundesliga. He'd have quality players around him, it might not be as competitive as the Premier league but that doesn't bother me at all, the bundesliga still has strong teams. I imagine Lewandowski will leave Bayern this summer, along with Robben and Ribery. So they'll be looking for quality up front...Bale is 29 and would give them a good return for 3/4 years.
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Mar 1, 2019 16:28:52 GMT
Post by fiveattheback on Mar 1, 2019 16:28:52 GMT
Of course he could just do a Bellamy and help the Bluebirds win the CL - now, that would be an achievement ;-) Yeah, come to Cardiff Gaz
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Post by insertname on Mar 1, 2019 16:37:49 GMT
Waste of time going to some boring hum drum league where the usual suspects win every year- which is most of the major ones these days (Dortmund have put up a decent fight this season but will run out of steam). He's won enough Champions Leagues for one career also. The only place he can go and make a real difference domestically is the premier league and given the way Man United have gone back to their attacking roots he would be a great fit for them. Would they pay his wages though? I disagree, I think the premier league is overrated, and he's more likely to enjoy his football and life in the Bundesliga. He'd have quality players around him, it might not be as competitive as the Premier league but that doesn't bother me at all, the bundesliga still has strong teams. I imagine Lewandowski will leave Bayern this summer, along with Robben and Ribery. So they'll be looking for quality up front...Bale is 29 and would give them a good return for 3/4 years. I dunno, it seems to be a bit fashionable and hipster to knock the Premiership- like it's still the 90's and Serie A has the best players and the best league. Money has meant those days are long gone, I'm afraid. Guardiola's Man City would walk most of Europe's top leagues and yet they trail to Liverpool. That says a lot about the standard and level of competition in the Premiership compared to the rest of Europe. The world is mad for the Premiership TV rights too while La Liga has to tout games in the US to improve it's popularity worldwide because it lives in the shadow of the Premier League. So whilst in some ways on a technical level it might not be as good as Serie A or the Bundesliga, a Premiership winners medal is worth 3 or 4 times a Bundesliga medal because the Bundesliga isn't really a competition at all these days. Bayern Munich own it, the same as Juventus own Serie A and PSG own France, Barcelona are starting to establish a hegemony in Spain now too. If Bale wants to get the pipe and slippers out and not be challenged then that would be pretty lame imo. He couldn't improve an Inter Milan or Marseille enough to challenge for a league title in those countries but he could improve a team like United to the point where they are title contenders.
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Mar 1, 2019 17:36:06 GMT
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Post by cadno on Mar 1, 2019 17:36:06 GMT
I disagree, I think the premier league is overrated, and he's more likely to enjoy his football and life in the Bundesliga. He'd have quality players around him, it might not be as competitive as the Premier league but that doesn't bother me at all, the bundesliga still has strong teams. I imagine Lewandowski will leave Bayern this summer, along with Robben and Ribery. So they'll be looking for quality up front...Bale is 29 and would give them a good return for 3/4 years. I dunno, it seems to be a bit fashionable and hipster to knock the Premiership- like it's still the 90's and Serie A has the best players and the best league. Money has meant those days are long gone, I'm afraid. Guardiola's Man City would walk most of Europe's top leagues and yet they trail to Liverpool. That says a lot about the standard and level of competition in the Premiership compared to the rest of Europe. The world is mad for the Premiership TV rights too while La Liga has to tout games in the US to improve it's popularity worldwide because it lives in the shadow of the Premier League. So whilst in some ways on a technical level it might not be as good as Serie A or the Bundesliga, a Premiership winners medal is worth 3 or 4 times a Bundesliga medal because the Bundesliga isn't really a competition at all these days. Bayern Munich own it, the same as Juventus own Serie A and PSG own France, Barcelona are starting to establish a hegemony in Spain now too. If Bale wants to get the pipe and slippers out and not be challenged then that would be pretty lame imo. He couldn't improve an Inter Milan or Marseille enough to challenge for a league title in those countries but he could improve a team like United to the point where they are title contenders. Haha I'm not sure what to make about the hipster comment, but like I said, the Prem is probably the most competitive top league but if Bale wants a better life style then I believe the other top leagues in europe are better options for him. The quality of football in La liga, bundesliga etc is up there with the premier league, even if the coverage and competitiveness might not be.
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Bale
Mar 1, 2019 19:54:13 GMT
Post by robin1864 on Mar 1, 2019 19:54:13 GMT
I dunno, it seems to be a bit fashionable and hipster to knock the Premiership- like it's still the 90's and Serie A has the best players and the best league. Money has meant those days are long gone, I'm afraid. Guardiola's Man City would walk most of Europe's top leagues and yet they trail to Liverpool. That says a lot about the standard and level of competition in the Premiership compared to the rest of Europe. The world is mad for the Premiership TV rights too while La Liga has to tout games in the US to improve it's popularity worldwide because it lives in the shadow of the Premier League. So whilst in some ways on a technical level it might not be as good as Serie A or the Bundesliga, a Premiership winners medal is worth 3 or 4 times a Bundesliga medal because the Bundesliga isn't really a competition at all these days. Bayern Munich own it, the same as Juventus own Serie A and PSG own France, Barcelona are starting to establish a hegemony in Spain now too. If Bale wants to get the pipe and slippers out and not be challenged then that would be pretty lame imo. He couldn't improve an Inter Milan or Marseille enough to challenge for a league title in those countries but he could improve a team like United to the point where they are title contenders. Haha I'm not sure what to make about the hipster comment, but like I said, the Prem is probably the most competitive top league but if Bale wants a better life style then I believe the other top leagues in europe are better options for him. The quality of football in La liga, bundesliga etc is up there with the premier league, even if the coverage and competitiveness might not be. He'll end up coming back here. By many accounts, he hasn't adapted very well to the Spanish lifestyle, so I couldn't see him adapting much better in Germany or Italy at this stage of his career, he'd essentially be a passenger in a good team. Fitness concerns aside, he'd walk into United's starting XI as Lingard only starts because of sentimental value, you can forget about Sanchez & Mata, we'd also possibly see the Bale of old again who used to score 30-yard screamers & last minute winners for fun.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 1, 2019 21:52:43 GMT
I disagree, I think the premier league is overrated, and he's more likely to enjoy his football and life in the Bundesliga. He'd have quality players around him, it might not be as competitive as the Premier league but that doesn't bother me at all, the bundesliga still has strong teams. I imagine Lewandowski will leave Bayern this summer, along with Robben and Ribery. So they'll be looking for quality up front...Bale is 29 and would give them a good return for 3/4 years. I dunno, it seems to be a bit fashionable and hipster to knock the Premiership- like it's still the 90's and Serie A has the best players and the best league. Money has meant those days are long gone, I'm afraid. Guardiola's Man City would walk most of Europe's top leagues and yet they trail to Liverpool. That says a lot about the standard and level of competition in the Premiership compared to the rest of Europe. The world is mad for the Premiership TV rights too while La Liga has to tout games in the US to improve it's popularity worldwide because it lives in the shadow of the Premier League. So whilst in some ways on a technical level it might not be as good as Serie A or the Bundesliga, a Premiership winners medal is worth 3 or 4 times a Bundesliga medal because the Bundesliga isn't really a competition at all these days. Bayern Munich own it, the same as Juventus own Serie A and PSG own France, Barcelona are starting to establish a hegemony in Spain now too. If Bale wants to get the pipe and slippers out and not be challenged then that would be pretty lame imo. He couldn't improve an Inter Milan or Marseille enough to challenge for a league title in those countries but he could improve a team like United to the point where they are title contenders. You may have a point re: Serie A and the Bundesliga, but the standard of football in Spain is undeniably superior to the Premier League despite being less popular globally. I know you haven't actually commented on the standard of football in Spain, but I've seen a few people on twitter saying that La Liga isn't as good as the Premier League, so I want to dispel that myth; 1) Spanish sides have won 7 of the last 10 Champions Leagues. This shows that the top teams in Spain are better than the top teams in other European Leagues. 2) Spanish sides have won 6 of the last 10 Europa Leagues. This shows that the teams just below the top teams are stronger than the teams at the same level in other European leagues. 3) This means that 13 of the last 20 European trophies have gone to Spain. 4) Spanish sides have won 9 of the last 10 Super Cups. Four of which have been all Spanish affairs. No other league has had two teams contest the Super Cup since Italy in 1993. Long story short is the Premier League has a long way to go if it wants to call itself the best league in terms of quality. English teams need to actually show they are the best by winning European trophies, rather than just assert that the league is somehow superior. Most competitive perhaps. Highest intensity perhaps. But certainly not the best.
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Post by conwy10 on Mar 2, 2019 12:18:37 GMT
I disagree, I think the premier league is overrated, and he's more likely to enjoy his football and life in the Bundesliga. He'd have quality players around him, it might not be as competitive as the Premier league but that doesn't bother me at all, the bundesliga still has strong teams. I imagine Lewandowski will leave Bayern this summer, along with Robben and Ribery. So they'll be looking for quality up front...Bale is 29 and would give them a good return for 3/4 years. I dunno, it seems to be a bit fashionable and hipster to knock the Premiership- like it's still the 90's and Serie A has the best players and the best league. Money has meant those days are long gone, I'm afraid. Guardiola's Man City would walk most of Europe's top leagues and yet they trail to Liverpool. That says a lot about the standard and level of competition in the Premiership compared to the rest of Europe. The world is mad for the Premiership TV rights too while La Liga has to tout games in the US to improve it's popularity worldwide because it lives in the shadow of the Premier League. So whilst in some ways on a technical level it might not be as good as Serie A or the Bundesliga, a Premiership winners medal is worth 3 or 4 times a Bundesliga medal because the Bundesliga isn't really a competition at all these days. Bayern Munich own it, the same as Juventus own Serie A and PSG own France, Barcelona are starting to establish a hegemony in Spain now too. If Bale wants to get the pipe and slippers out and not be challenged then that would be pretty lame imo. He couldn't improve an Inter Milan or Marseille enough to challenge for a league title in those countries but he could improve a team like United to the point where they are title contenders. I see it a little bit differently, how can the Premier League be considered the best when they don’t win the Champions League which is the format to test who’s the best team in Europe. Liverpool lost to Red Star Belgrade, Arsenal even lost to a Belorussian team in the Europa League. Obviously there will be shock results but Spain has been proven to have the best teams in European competition over a number of years. I’ll admit the gulf in some of the teams in Europe is insane, PSG for example, but I also see how that can be better for players. Their goal isn’t on winning the next match it’s focussing on one key match and building up to it. Pressure is off the players, they just need to focus on getting technically better and shining when it comes to it. Not getting up for an old fashioned football match at Burnley.
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Post by pendragon on Mar 2, 2019 16:20:38 GMT
He is not a happy camper. Yes. I feel it in my bones. Both Gareth and Aaron will explode with passion next month at the CCS ;-) We'll hold you to that manulike!
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Post by pendragon on Mar 2, 2019 16:27:10 GMT
Perfect time to go, club in disarray and he's not nailed on to start anymore. Madrid will probably have a revamp this summer. Not sure where he goes though....... It just goes to show that even when he's not starting, they are still pi$$ poor. How long will it take their fans to figure it out that he's not the problem? Real Madrid's issues started a while before golden boy left the club last season. They've just got a lot worse. I still think their main problem is with the team structure, strategy and defence. Strikers bag the goals, they don't concede them. Real have been conceding anything between 1 and 5 goals in the domestic league this season. If they get a revamp, they need to start with that and start building on team cohesion.
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Mar 2, 2019 21:01:37 GMT
Post by dai on Mar 2, 2019 21:01:37 GMT
Anyone watching the Madrid game?
Seen this on bbc: 'Gareth Bale's 17 touches on the ball is the fewest of ANY player on the pitch.'
That's very poor, he should be doing more to get on the ball, but it's obvious he's lost interest.
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Mar 2, 2019 21:08:05 GMT
Post by dai on Mar 2, 2019 21:08:05 GMT
And he's off.
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Mar 2, 2019 21:12:48 GMT
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Post by insertname on Mar 2, 2019 21:12:48 GMT
I feel a bit bad for him. The expectation of him to replace Ronaldo is unfair because they are different players. Real have tried to replace an out and out centre forward with a forward line of Vinicius, Benzema and Bale and have basically said to Bale (a right winger) "you go and score the goals now Ronaldo has gone". Shouldn't it be the job of Benzema, as the recognised centre forward, to score the goals? Yet he, of late, has probably got a worse goal average than Bale because he is anywhere but in the box, playing as more of a very offensive number 10. Over the summer they should have bombed Benzema out and brought in Harry Kane or Lewandowski. Even now their primary focus is on getting Hazard who isn't going to address the problem that they don't have an out and out goal scorer.
As for tonight he had the fewest touches but how much of that is down to his team mates not involving him? It seems to be reminiscent of his early days when he was pushed out wide and forgotten about while everyone strove to give the ball to Ronaldo. He did make a good run towards the time that he subbed but Regulon couldn't find him with the pass because the defending was on point, nothing Bale can do about that.
On the whole I wonder about how much he has improved as a player at Real. Their set up has marginalised him quite a bit and in terms of being an exciting player to watch he looks a shadow of the player he was at Spurs. He has won a few trophies and made a hell of a lot of money, but he isn't much of an entertainer in the way the likes of Hazard and Messi are and he really could have been.
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Post by dai on Mar 2, 2019 21:18:30 GMT
Just seen a clip on twitter, sounded like half the stadium was whistling / booing him. Pathetic nut jobs, don't think I've ever seen fans behave towards one of their own like Madrid do.
Hopefully he moves to another club, who hopefully might face Madrid in the future and he can grab a few goals against the twats.
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Mar 2, 2019 23:45:54 GMT
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Post by cadno on Mar 2, 2019 23:45:54 GMT
Just seen a clip on twitter, sounded like half the stadium was whistling / booing him. Pathetic nut jobs, don't think I've ever seen fans behave towards one of their own like Madrid do. Hopefully he moves to another club, who hopefully might face Madrid in the future and he can grab a few goals against the twats. Nobody would pass him the bloody ball! Barca streets ahead
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Mar 3, 2019 9:39:13 GMT
Post by alarch on Mar 3, 2019 9:39:13 GMT
I watched the game and it was typical of Bale's time at Madrid, poor movement off the ball from Bale - very static. But also, very little attempt being made to get him involved. I'd like to know the identity of the players passing the ball to him. I bet you a fair percentage came from Modric - his only mate at the club by the sounds of things. What does it tell you about player power at the club that players are putting their likes and dislikes ahead of their professional responsibility? And that they're allowed to get away with it.
Bale needs to leave pronto, but just before he leaves he needs to take a long hard look in the mirror and ask himself "did I really make the most of that opportunity?".
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Mar 3, 2019 10:40:50 GMT
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Post by cadno on Mar 3, 2019 10:40:50 GMT
I watched the game and it was typical of Bale's time at Madrid, poor movement off the ball from Bale - very static. But also, very little attempt being made to get him involved. I'd like to know the identity of the players passing the ball to him. I bet you a fair percentage came from Modric - his only mate at the club by the sounds of things. What does it tell you about player power at the club that players are putting their likes and dislikes ahead of their professional responsibility? And that they're allowed to get away with it. Bale needs to leave pronto, but just before he leaves he needs to take a long hard look in the mirror and ask himself "did I really make the most of that opportunity?". There are times where he has certainly made the most of it, he's had periods where he's been fantastic for them, but he's had too many games like last night too, where he looks like a lonely figure. At least when he joins up with Wales he'll be happy and want to perform. I hope Ramsey fits in at Juventus, learning the language will go a long way.
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Mar 3, 2019 10:46:36 GMT
Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 3, 2019 10:46:36 GMT
I watched the game and it was typical of Bale's time at Madrid, poor movement off the ball from Bale - very static. But also, very little attempt being made to get him involved. I'd like to know the identity of the players passing the ball to him. I bet you a fair percentage came from Modric - his only mate at the club by the sounds of things. What does it tell you about player power at the club that players are putting their likes and dislikes ahead of their professional responsibility? And that they're allowed to get away with it. Bale needs to leave pronto, but just before he leaves he needs to take a long hard look in the mirror and ask himself "did I really make the most of that opportunity?". I think any given club has the responsibility of getting the best out of it’s players by creating the right environment for that individual. It’s not like Madrid can’t look at how we utilise Bale, and how Spurs used to use him, as an example of how to get the best out of him.
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Post by 1gwaunview on Mar 3, 2019 11:14:18 GMT
The sooner he leaves that nest of vipers that is Real Madrid the better. They're not getting anywhere near the best out of him atm. As previously mentioned he looks lost there half the time.
Seems a shadow of the swashbuckling star that got us to Euro 2016 almost single-handedly.
I'm sure the next Wales games can't come quick enough for him, but is a he able to turn on the turbos just like that?
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Post by texan on Mar 4, 2019 16:02:22 GMT
I watched the game and it was typical of Bale's time at Madrid, poor movement off the ball from Bale - very static. But also, very little attempt being made to get him involved. I'd like to know the identity of the players passing the ball to him. I bet you a fair percentage came from Modric - his only mate at the club by the sounds of things. What does it tell you about player power at the club that players are putting their likes and dislikes ahead of their professional responsibility? And that they're allowed to get away with it. Bale needs to leave pronto, but just before he leaves he needs to take a long hard look in the mirror and ask himself "did I really make the most of that opportunity?". I was about to watch it so I took the liberty, here are your stats: Passes to Bale: Carvalhal - 3 Vinicius - 1 Modric - 8 Benzema - 1 Regulion - 1 Kroos - 2 Bale also made his own luck on 6 occasions with interceptions/tackles/loose balls etc.
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Post by dai on Mar 4, 2019 19:22:15 GMT
Despite last seasons' champions league wonder goal, I think Bale has overstayed his welcome for 2 years. In terms of player development, individual success and recognition, the last 2 years have been a complete waste.
I remember commenting quite a while ago how poor his body language was during Madrid matches.
Why has he insisted on staying on for this long?
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Mar 4, 2019 19:40:41 GMT
Post by 1gwaunview on Mar 4, 2019 19:40:41 GMT
Despite last seasons' champions league wonder goal, I think Bale has overstayed his welcome for 2 years. In terms of player development, individual success and recognition, the last 2 years have been a complete waste. I remember commenting quite a while ago how poor his body language was during Madrid matches. Why has he insisted on staying on for this long? Probably money.
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Mar 4, 2019 21:19:22 GMT
Post by alarch on Mar 4, 2019 21:19:22 GMT
Despite last seasons' champions league wonder goal, I think Bale has overstayed his welcome for 2 years. In terms of player development, individual success and recognition, the last 2 years have been a complete waste. I remember commenting quite a while ago how poor his body language was during Madrid matches. Why has he insisted on staying on for this long? I feel the same way. And his agent's statement that he's not leaving smacks of petulance rather than a thought through approach to his career. He's clearly being scapegoated, but why stay at a club where you're not appreciated? What's he trying to prove?
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