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Post by alarch on Oct 1, 2014 8:44:58 GMT
Looks likely to play against Newcastle on Saturday: www.southwales-eveningpost.co.uk/Swansea-City-s-Jazz-Richards-job-Newcastle-United/story-23018356-detail/story.htmlThis use of the word "confident" in this quote from Monk is very telling: "When he's at his confident best he's a very good full-back and he's one we will look at." This reflects what I've thought has been the missing ingredient in Jazz's play. Gunter, in stark contrast, is as confident as you get, regardless of his ability. If you could merge the best qualities of both players you would have one hell of a player. I'd like to think that a big game from Richards on Saturday will make all the difference to his chances for Wales - but I'm too much of a realist for that.
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Post by stu on Oct 1, 2014 17:38:19 GMT
Surprised he didn't have a call up, especially as he can play DM.
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Post by rob on Oct 1, 2014 19:20:38 GMT
All set for 1st premiership start of season and dropped from Wales squad ! That's Coleman man-management. Hinders Wales as good right back & Ricketts only alternative to Gunter, and a DM.Cannot imagine it will do lot for Jazz's confidence too. On a serious note does Coleman know he is set to start v Newcastle-remember he did not know Gunter was fit for Holland friendly !
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Post by welshiron on Oct 2, 2014 9:04:04 GMT
Richards is a right back and nothing else, playing him anywhere else for Wales would be a mistake.
At the moment Gunter IS first choice right back, if he isn't fit then Taylor would be next, also Dummett can cover there as well a player who has played a lot more in the premiership this season than Richards.
I agree about Ricketts but Coleman obviously feels that having some experience around the squad isn't a bad thing (Ricketts played last night)
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Post by toshfan on Oct 2, 2014 10:51:25 GMT
Richards is a right back and nothing else, playing him anywhere else for Wales would be a mistake. At the moment Gunter IS first choice right back, if he isn't fit then Taylor would be next, also Dummett can cover there as well a player who has played a lot more in the premiership this season than Richards. I agree about Ricketts but Coleman obviously feels that having some experience around the squad isn't a bad thing (Ricketts played last night) This is one of those postings where I want to disagree but I cannot. But still hope Jazz has a stormer on Saturday and gives everyone something to think about.
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Post by welshiron on Oct 2, 2014 11:30:14 GMT
Bottom line is Richards is currently third choice right back at Swansea.
Not enough to command a place in a squad where we have strength in depth
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Post by toshfan on Oct 2, 2014 12:16:51 GMT
Bottom line is Richards is currently third choice right back at Swansea. Not enough to command a place in a squad where we have strength in depth That was the case with Laudrup but we will learn on Saturday if that remains the case with Monk?
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Post by welshiron on Oct 2, 2014 12:27:12 GMT
Tiendelli hasn't been fit and that is why he has been on the bench. Tiendelli doubtful for Saturday as well.
Unfortunately, Monk has had Tiendelli in more squads than Richards
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Post by alarch on Oct 2, 2014 13:55:18 GMT
It's a toss-up whether Richards or Tiendalli is second-choice for Swansea. Monk has already shown with Amat that he is willing to select players who step up. Richards has produced two and a bit accomplished displays this season - follow that up with a third and he should be next in line behind Rangel. As for Wales, the idea that a Championship player who has no track record for Wales, in Wiggins, is selected ahead of Richards for the squad is absurd.
A point against Bosnia given the withdrawals will be a good result. For us to manage that we need a firm defensive foundation - and we may are likely to be without the ball for much of the match. With that in mind I would much rather have a defensively sound, disciplined player in Richards (remember Belgium away?) than Gunter, Wiggins or the other part-timers mentioned.
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Post by welshiron on Oct 2, 2014 14:18:42 GMT
Wiggins has earnt his call up playing every game for a team unbeaten in the championship
As for Belgium away, Gunter was at least as good as Richards whilst playing out of position.
Not sure what you mean by part-timer is is players who at the age of 23 have only played 50 games?
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Post by alarch on Oct 2, 2014 16:36:12 GMT
Bit disingenuous that welshiron. I was obviously referring to the fact that many of your postulated right backs rarely if ever play in that position. If you're so chilled about playing a left-back like Dummett at right back, then why not play Taylor - a Premier League regular, rather than Gunter.
I have no idea how good Wiggins is, as I haven't seen enough of him to form an opinion. What I can say is that the gap in standard between a mid-Premier League team such as Swansea - even the squad players - and the Championship is vast. There's a case to be made for including up-and-coming talents that haven't quite yet made the grade yet - such as Huws and George Williams, it's much harder to argue for Championship journeymen, such as Gunter, who have been tried and tested at international level, and more often than not found wanting.
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Post by alarch on Oct 2, 2014 16:47:00 GMT
The first goal we conceded against Serbia (after just 7 minutes) perfectly illustrates Gunter's failings. At the start of the move that led to the goal Gunter is within a yard of the player who delivers the cross for the goal. At the point that the cross is delivered he's 10 yards away: livefootballvideo.com/highlights/europe/wc-qualification-europe/wales-vs-serbia We need to be defensively tight against Bosnia - a 0-0 draw would be a good result in the circumstances. We showed that we can put in decent backs-to-the-wall performances against Belgium away, and also, even though we lost, the Dutch away. In that game Joniesta largely covered Gunter - he will be needed to do a similar job against Bosnia.
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Post by sleepy on Oct 2, 2014 17:34:24 GMT
What's with all the gunter bashing? I felt he did ok v andorra, certainly no worse than taylor or chester.
As for richards, i hope he gets picked and has a stormer for the swans on the weekend. But to date this season, he has 2 league cup apps at hone to rotherham and everton, and a fleeting subs app in the pl. Should we be expecting coleman to pick someone like this? If so why not cornell instead of letheren, for example?
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Post by alarch on Oct 2, 2014 21:52:36 GMT
I'm not "bashing" Gunter - merely pointing out that he has weaknesses defensively. Going forwards he's very positive, and is always making himself available. He's won us a few penalties down the years thanks to the positivity of his runs. So, as I have said before, he's a good option for the games against Cyprus and Andorra, and Israel at a push. But for the Bosnian game we will need to be a tight unit. Richards is a better option, but given his omission I'd go with Taylor. Of course, Coleman will definitely go with Gunter. Our saving grace may be Bosnia's preference to play with a midfield diamond - which may mean that they don't pose a threat out wide.
Cornell has had zero competitive experience at a respectable level - so shouldn't be anywhere near a call up. What we need are players who have demonstrated that they can perform a specified role to a good standard - even if their experience is limited. Richards has done enough (given the level of the competition), as has Joniesta.
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Post by abwales on Oct 3, 2014 0:36:11 GMT
Playing 3-5-2 I'm sure Gunter won't feel the need to be tentative when closing down crossers because the right sided CB of 3 will be covering him, which is perhaps one of many reasons why Coleman changed the formation.
Other than his brief time playing for Wales I've only ever seen Richards play once - for palace the year they went up, and he single handedly cost his team the game. He is unproven and doesn't warrant a starting place over someone who at the age of 25 has played 250 games in the top 2 flights of English football and 50 internationals.
I think Coleman sees our starting LWB as our second best RWB, so if Gunter gets injured, Taylor will probably play RWB and Wiggins or Dummett will play LWB. If any FB/WB gets injured I'm in no doubt Richards will be called up then, which is when he'll be needed. He isn't needed right now.
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Post by alarch on Oct 3, 2014 12:28:30 GMT
Andy Melville managed 65 caps and Karl Robinson 52, so I'm afraid that winning lots of caps for Wales doesn't necessarily say much, other than showing an admirable commitment to your country. So you've seen Richards have one bad game, well I can say I've seen Richards have several good games. He rarely does anything outstanding, but does the basics of defending and linking play very well. Whenever I've seen him in a Swansea shirt he's never looked out of place. His stats backs his up: www.whoscored.com/Players/78089/. Chris Gunter passing percentage of 68.6% this season says it all about his distribution, and this assessment in general doesn't make auspicious reading: www.whoscored.com/Players/13835/Show/Chris-Gunter. As for your expectation that we will persevere with wing backs - what can I say. We share a scepticism about Coleman's ability for sure - but I cannot believe that he would be so stupid as to play Bosnia with wing backs. It didn't work with Andorra - hardly surprising given that we were continually pinging makeshift wingers in Taylor and Gunter. It was ironic that the cross for the equalizer came from an advancing centre back in Davies. Against Andorra that's a risk worth taking, but in a back three against a team of the quality of Bosnia that would be suicidal.
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Post by sleepy on Oct 3, 2014 12:52:30 GMT
I'm not "bashing" Gunter - merely pointing out that he has weaknesses defensively. Going forwards he's very positive, and is always making himself available. He's won us a few penalties down the years thanks to the positivity of his runs. So, as I have said before, he's a good option for the games against Cyprus and Andorra, and Israel at a push. But for the Bosnian game we will need to be a tight unit. Richards is a better option, but given his omission I'd go with Taylor. Of course, Coleman will definitely go with Gunter. Our saving grace may be Bosnia's preference to play with a midfield diamond - which may mean that they don't pose a threat out wide. Cornell has had zero competitive experience at a respectable level - so shouldn't be anywhere near a call up. What we need are players who have demonstrated that they can perform a specified role to a good standard - even if their experience is limited. Richards has done enough (given the level of the competition), as has Joniesta. For what it's worth gunter would be one of the first names on my teamsheet so guess we'll have to agree to disagree here! I do hope that jazz gets a good run of games under his belt though, the more PL players we have the better.
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Post by welshiron on Oct 3, 2014 12:59:58 GMT
Gunter is one of the automatic picks we currently have along with
Hennessey A Williams Allen Ramsey Bale Ledley Vokes
Shame 3 are injured
You could possibly add Davies to that which would mean 9, leaving either Collins or Chester and one more midfield player
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2014 13:02:13 GMT
Gunter should never play wide right in a 3-5-2 - he gets a nosebleed as soon as he crosses the half way line.
Its a shame that Adam Matthews has regressed - if we ever play 3-5-2 he is probably the best suited to that role.
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Post by dai on Oct 9, 2014 12:47:35 GMT
Just got a reply back from Jazz on twitter stating he is fit, so who knows why Coleman hasn't called him up.
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Post by yanto on Oct 9, 2014 13:09:31 GMT
Just got a reply back from Jazz on twitter stating he is fit, so who knows why Coleman hasn't called him up. yes that's very disappointing - still time mind
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Post by toshfan on Dec 3, 2014 1:11:23 GMT
He started against QPR yesterday. I have heard from quite a few who went that he was excellent and did not put a foot wrong. Excellent news!
I know that Osian Roberts was there. Wonder if Coleman was too?
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Post by alarch on Dec 3, 2014 9:33:10 GMT
Richards played the full 90 minutes, and had a good game by all accounts. According to the match text he even managed to assist a couple of efforts on goal - which is encouraging. There's a good chance he'll play against West Ham on Sunday as well - but at left back. Taylor picked up his 5th yellow and will be suspended. Tiendalli doesn't seem to be fit yet, and the only other option is the untried Scottish left back Kingsley. It would be rather ironic, not to say frustrating, if Richards' breakthrough as a first team regular (if Taylor got a long-term injury) came at left back...
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Post by jbt95 on Dec 3, 2014 16:50:50 GMT
Richards played the full 90 minutes, and had a good game by all accounts. According to the match text he even managed to assist a couple of efforts on goal - which is encouraging. There's a good chance he'll play against West Ham on Sunday as well - but at left back. Taylor picked up his 5th yellow and will be suspended. Tiendalli doesn't seem to be fit yet, and the only other option is the untried Scottish left back Kingsley. It would be rather ironic, not to say frustrating, if Richards' breakthrough as a first team regular (if Taylor got a long-term injury) came at left back... Isn't Liam Sheppard a left back? He's been on the bench in recent games.
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Post by stu on Dec 3, 2014 20:41:33 GMT
Heard good reports from those at the game, I listened on the radio and apart from one weak pass early on he didn't make any errors. The only issue is that our strongest positions are full backs, we could field a whole team of full backs.
Oh well. He'd be a great utility player for the squad anyway.
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Post by quetzal on Dec 3, 2014 21:46:54 GMT
This is where a friendly really is good. Get the lad in and give him 90 minutes because Gunter is pissing me off in the attack. Everything seems to slow down when he's going forward
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Post by bellamyroundsbuffon on Dec 4, 2014 0:04:43 GMT
Looks likely to play against Newcastle on Saturday: www.southwales-eveningpost.co.uk/Swansea-City-s-Jazz-Richards-job-Newcastle-United/story-23018356-detail/story.htmlThis use of the word "confident" in this quote from Monk is very telling: "When he's at his confident best he's a very good full-back and he's one we will look at." This reflects what I've thought has been the missing ingredient in Jazz's play. Gunter, in stark contrast, is as confident as you get, regardless of his ability. If you could merge the best qualities of both players you would have one hell of a player. I'd like to think that a big game from Richards on Saturday will make all the difference to his chances for Wales - but I'm too much of a realist for that. Agree with you on the Gunter confidence line. Since leaving Cardiff his arrogrance seems to have exploded. He will argue the toss with anyone and everyone and comes across as a stroppy teenager when I have seen him in live club games on TV. I must admit though he doesn't seem to bring that to the table too much in Wales games, which is a postive.
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Post by welshiron on Dec 4, 2014 9:10:03 GMT
and here we go with the Gunter bashing again.
Did any of you watch the last 3 welsh games, he had 3 very good games, better than Taylor in all of them.
Great to see Richards playing but a game here and there isn't going to be enough to dislodge a player with a wealth of international experience (which we need) who has been excellent for Wales recently (Andorra apart).
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Dec 6, 2014 11:59:47 GMT
Jazz Richards is to busy fannying about on twitter to make a real go of his career same can be said of his sidekicks Kyle Copp and James Loveridge.
On the other hand Chris Gunter the model pro, anyone who bashes Gunter should have a word with themselves!!!
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Post by cadno on Dec 6, 2014 13:09:09 GMT
I can see Richards being a decent centre back.
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