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Post by nathan1710 on Dec 8, 2014 8:50:16 GMT
Richards was terrible against west ham yesterday. I watched him closely as I haven't seen much of him and the swans fans on here hype him up so much. I thought he was negative, only passed backwards and was at fault for the first goal as didn't get tight enough to cut out the cross which Caroll scored from.
Wouldn't get in the team ahead of Ginter on that performance, very unimpressed.
However, I do understand he was playing LB rather than RB so maybe I'm being harsh.
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Post by welshiron on Dec 8, 2014 9:34:30 GMT
I was going to make exactly the same point, I spent the game waiting to see the range of passing i had heard so much ago or the thrusting runs forward.
I would add that he could also have done better with the third goal.
Will be very surprised if he plays many more games for Swansea this season unless Rangel or Taylor get injured.
Won't get close to dislodging Gunter on that performance.
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Post by toshfan on Dec 8, 2014 9:47:13 GMT
The game was not a memorable one for any of the defenders. A poor performance from them all.
Currently, Jazz is clearly considerable behind Gunter but no one in my view should take one bad day at the Office as reason to discount him as an important member of the squad permanently.
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Post by nathan1710 on Dec 8, 2014 10:21:52 GMT
The game was not a memorable one for any of the defenders. A poor performance from them all. Currently, Jazz is clearly considerable behind Gunter but no one in my view should take one bad day at the Office as reason to discount him as an important member of the squad permanently. But he needs to get himself a run of games and show some consistency. I mean with Matthews playing every game for Celtic, and Gunter playing so well for wales, Richards is 3rd choice RB. I know we all want to see him do well, but as good as you may think he could be, at the moment he's not even close to the first 11.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2014 11:01:57 GMT
Shocking yesterday he really was some of his decision making was very poor,needs to get his head down and get the basics rite first.gunter's last few games in a welsh shirt have been solid going to take a lot to shift him.
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Post by njdragon on Dec 8, 2014 11:28:02 GMT
hang on... THE GUY WAS PLAYING LEFT BACK!
He's a right back and was playing out of position. Totally harsh to judge him on that game
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2014 11:47:05 GMT
I'm a swan's fan so watched him a fair few times yes he was out of position But seen him several times in his rite position and still think he needs to work harder on his game.just a personal opinion.
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Post by alarch on Dec 8, 2014 14:45:47 GMT
Richards wasn't great yesterday for sure (I'd give him 5.5 out of ten) - but there were worse Swansea players on the pitch, including Ashley Williams - who had his worst game in a Swansea shirt this season (and perhaps much longer than that). Rangel had a complete mare, and must accept most of the blame for the first and second goals - his attempt to challenge Carroll for the first was pathetic, and he went completely AWOL for the second. That was the worst performance by Swansea this season by some distance - so that gives some context to Jazz's performance, playing out of position.
Jazz performance was unspectacular, but he was pretty solid, with some good tackles. Shame about the third goal, where he (and Ashley) could have done a lot better. What Richards needs above all else is a run in the team - which he's unlikely to get. Although having said that if Rangel doesn't improve drastically on Sunday's showing then Richards could dislodge him at right back. I suspect that Richards will need to go out on loan, or move permanently, to get the regular game time he needs to prove himself and gain confidence. If that is at Championship level then so be it.
Gunter's performances to date for Wales have been much improved, and if he can sustain that improved standard compared to the previous campaign, then I'll be content for him to keep the jersey. But it's a shame that a mid-Championship player is the only strong contender right now at right back. We're talking about a player with a pass completion rate of under 70% and statistically weak at tackling, aerial duels and holding on to the ball, and with blocking the ball as his only statistical strength. Gunter's done well this campaign, but we desperately need someone to come through to challenge him for his place.
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Post by welshiron on Dec 8, 2014 15:39:30 GMT
hang on... THE GUY WAS PLAYING LEFT BACK! He's a right back and was playing out of position. Totally harsh to judge him on that game Doesn't matter which flank you play on, if all you do is pass sideways and backwards, something that Gunter gets slated for. The least I expected was some "bursts forward" possibly cutting in on his good foot. You also don't give a winger the time and space to get a cross in like he did on the first goal and he was just brushed aside for the third goal which had nothing to do with his position.
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Post by welshiron on Dec 8, 2014 15:45:15 GMT
Richards wasn't great yesterday for sure (I'd give him 5.5 out of ten) - but there were worse Swansea players on the pitch, including Ashley Williams - who had his worst game in a Swansea shirt this season (and perhaps much longer than that). Rangel had a complete mare, and must accept most of the blame for the first and second goals - his attempt to challenge Carroll for the first was pathetic, and he went completely AWOL for the second. That was the worst performance by Swansea this season by some distance - so that gives some context to Jazz's performance, playing out of position. Jazz performance was unspectacular, but he was pretty solid, with some good tackles. Shame about the third goal, where he (and Ashley) could have done a lot better. What Richards needs above all else is a run in the team - which he's unlikely to get. Although having said that if Rangel doesn't improve drastically on Sunday's showing then Richards could dislodge him at right back. I suspect that Richards will need to go out on loan, or move permanently, to get the regular game time he needs to prove himself and gain confidence. If that is at Championship level then so be it. Gunter's performances to date for Wales have been much improved, and if he can sustain that improved standard compared to the previous campaign, then I'll be content for him to keep the jersey. But it's a shame that a mid-Championship player is the only strong contender right now at right back. We're talking about a player with a pass completion rate of under 70% and statistically weak at tackling, aerial duels and holding on to the ball, and with blocking the ball as his only statistical strength. Gunter's done well this campaign, but we desperately need someone to come through to challenge him for his place. I hope he goes out on loan to a decent championship side on loan and gets a run of games as this is the only way he will achieve his potential, we will then know whether he is a contender for the right back slot. As for Gunter he is captaining a side that was expected to push for promotion this season, the same team as HRK who some people rave about. He has been excellent this campaign and I don't worry to much about statistics, you can have 80% possession in a game but it's no good if it's all in your own half. I hope Matthews decides to move South in January as he does have the potential to challenge Gunter, especially in a 3-5-2 formation.
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Post by welshiron on Dec 8, 2014 15:48:21 GMT
The game was not a memorable one for any of the defenders. A poor performance from them all. Currently, Jazz is clearly considerable behind Gunter but no one in my view should take one bad day at the Office as reason to discount him as an important member of the squad permanently. It was one game in Belgium that had some of you saying he should play ahead of Gunter! A game where Gunter was arguably the man of the match (playing out of position). I hope this doesn't come across as bashing Jazz as I do hope he gets a chance to show how good he is and if he goes on to get 50 welsh caps after proving himself at club level I won't mind one bit.
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Post by richierich333 on Dec 8, 2014 15:58:46 GMT
I watched the whole of the West Ham v Swansea game and I have to agree he had a poor game. However, I will not judge him on this one game as he clearly does not have a left foot and should never play on the opposite side again. If he plays a full 90 at right back in a Premier league match, only then can we see if he really has the ability to play regularly at the top level. I'm a bit dubious but I will definitely forgive him this particular match.
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Post by alarch on Dec 8, 2014 17:16:30 GMT
He played the full 90 at right back in midweek against QPR. Nothing spectacular, but a 7 out of 10 performance (Wathan's ranking).
One thing that shows his lack of confidence is the time he takes over throw-ins - both yesterday and mid-week. Trouble is if you don't back yourself, then you can't expect your team mates to. This was perfectly illustrated in the QPR match when on Richards made an excellent timed run between centre back and left back near the half-way. Bony had the chance to flick the ball over the top - leaving Richards with a clear run in on goal. For some reason Bony chose to recycle the ball instead. Bony's fault - but I wonder if he would have made the same decision had it been Dyer that made the run. Richards is in a bit of a catch 22 - that he won't gain or inspire confidence in others without game time, but without confidence he doesn't get the necessary game time. If he's really brave he would look to get a loan spell abroad, the Eredivisie would be perfect.
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Post by cadno on Dec 8, 2014 17:48:18 GMT
I thought Richards played well against West Ham.. :/
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Post by njdragon on Dec 8, 2014 19:47:28 GMT
hang on... THE GUY WAS PLAYING LEFT BACK! He's a right back and was playing out of position. Totally harsh to judge him on that game Doesn't matter which flank you play on, if all you do is pass sideways and backwards, something that Gunter gets slated for. The least I expected was some "bursts forward" possibly cutting in on his good foot. You also don't give a winger the time and space to get a cross in like he did on the first goal and he was just brushed aside for the third goal which had nothing to do with his position. rubbish, if you have a right footed player playing on the left then he will naturally look to play the safe ball inside with his right foot. Playing out of position also allows the opposing wingers to capatalise on his weaker side when he's defending. Naturally they will also single him out for this. Gunter is judged in his natural position, pathetic to compare this to Richards playing out of position in the premiership.
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Post by Tim P on Dec 8, 2014 22:04:49 GMT
Genuine question: has anyone ever seen Jazz Richards have a brilliant game? Would also like to know what his strengths are - I haven't seen enough of him to build up a picture.
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Post by alarch on Dec 8, 2014 22:48:49 GMT
Richards was unlucky with the first goal. I watched it again in slo-mo and he does get tight on Jenkinson, and the only thing that stops him from getting a block on, was the way Jenkinson put a high loop on the ball taking it over Richards' outstretched leg. The real culprit for the goal was Rangel for making a pathetic attempt at a challenge on Carroll.
According to whoscored Richards has no statistical weaknesses and the following strengths: Passing: Very Strong, Holding on to the ball: Strong, Ball interception: Strong, Tackling: Strong, Blocking the ball: strong. His pass completion this season is an impressive 85.6%. These stats reflect what I've seen of him. My overall impression is that he's never truly sparkled yet, but has rarely performed badly. This is not unlike Ben Davies in his first 5 or 6 games for Swansea - difference being that Ben had the luxury of an extended run in the side owing to Taylor's leg break and the lack of alternatives.
What the stats don't tell you is how a player imposes himself on proceedings. In this regard Gunter is streets ahead of Richards. If Richards is to make it for the Swans and Wales he has to start believing in himself a bit more - because from what I can see the raw ingredients of a good player are all there.
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Post by nathan1710 on Dec 9, 2014 12:38:19 GMT
I'm not saying Richards is a bad player. I'm just giving my view on the limited time I've seen him play. He's Welsh so I would love to see him become the best RB in world football but judging by the game I saw he wasn't great. I hope he does go on to get a solid spot in the swans squad.
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Post by toshfan on Dec 9, 2014 12:51:27 GMT
It was one game in Belgium that had some of you saying he should play ahead of Gunter! A game where Gunter was arguably the man of the match (playing out of position). I hope this doesn't come across as bashing Jazz as I do hope he gets a chance to show how good he is and if he goes on to get 50 welsh caps after proving himself at club level I won't mind one bit. This is a fair post. I was one of those who raved about both. Truly brilliant performances for both. I have wanted Jazz to kick on and this is the first game I recall where he had a negative review. Whilst a previous position of mine was a desire to see Jazz be considered for the RB slot, (i) I never had a beef with Gunter and (ii) I am as objective as other in recognising the value Gunter brings and his recent excellent performances. The position is very much Gunter's and it would take a change in his form for him to lose that.
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Post by robin1864 on Dec 9, 2014 16:21:10 GMT
Gunter/Matthews have RB nailed down, Davies/Taylor have LB nailed down. Barring the unlikely event in which all four fullbacks are injured, I can't see Jazz getting a cap. He's just someone people want to see do well to back up the hype he's had on here.
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Dec 9, 2014 21:25:11 GMT
The game was not a memorable one for any of the defenders. A poor performance from them all. Currently, Jazz is clearly considerable behind Gunter but no one in my view should take one bad day at the Office as reason to discount him as an important member of the squad permanently. True bro the whole defence was woeful, Richards impressed me when he was on loan at palace. Its no disgrace losing to west ham either the best team I have seen at palace this season.
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Post by jbt95 on Dec 10, 2014 17:42:46 GMT
Gunter/Matthews have RB nailed down, Davies/Taylor have LB nailed down. Barring the unlikely event in which all four fullbacks are injured, I can't see Jazz getting a cap. He's just someone people want to see do well to back up the hype he's had on here. Matthews by no stretch of the imagination has RB nailed down. He's hardly played for Wales. 12 caps in 4 years and they were all around the same period if I am not wrong. Neal Eardley has played more than Matthews for Wales.
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Post by robin1864 on Dec 14, 2014 15:53:45 GMT
Gunter/Matthews have RB nailed down, Davies/Taylor have LB nailed down. Barring the unlikely event in which all four fullbacks are injured, I can't see Jazz getting a cap. He's just someone people want to see do well to back up the hype he's had on here. Matthews by no stretch of the imagination has RB nailed down. He's hardly played for Wales. 12 caps in 4 years and they were all around the same period if I am not wrong. Neal Eardley has played more than Matthews for Wales. Perhaps he doesn't have it nailed down, but Matthews is getting more games than Jazz and is also younger. I'd personally have him over someone Apostle has hyped for quite a while yet has little to show for it, if Gunter were ever out.
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Post by welshwizard79 on Dec 14, 2014 17:55:24 GMT
Jazz at fault for Spurs winner.
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Post by ontheroadagain on Dec 14, 2014 18:00:49 GMT
Jazz at fault for Spurs winner. Should have cleared the ball at first attempt instead of waiting and clearing straight to Ben Davies.
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Post by jbt95 on Dec 14, 2014 20:37:40 GMT
Jazz at fault for Spurs winner. Should have cleared the ball at first attempt instead of waiting and clearing straight to Ben Davies. Ah well he never.. get over it. It's just one of those things. It could have been any player. (As a Swans fan who was at the game too).
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Post by alarch on Dec 14, 2014 20:58:56 GMT
There's no getting away from it, it was a hashed clearance from Richards that was mainly responsible for Spurs' winner - although Swansea fans conveniently ignore the fact that Tremmel should have gathered Eriksen's initial shot, and that there was no pressure on either Davies (nice assist) or Eriksen from a set Swansea defence.
A massive shame for Jazz, because up to that crucial error he'd played well. A couple of minutes before the goal he showed great composure in his own penalty area under pressure, in playing the ball out assuredly to a team mate. I thought then - that will do wonders for his confidence...
It's fascinating seeing how most of my fellow Swansea fans are only too happy to scapegoat Richards, and yet choose to completely ignore Rangel's completely failure (again) to contest the ball for Spurs' opener.
The period up to the end of the transfer window is a critical time for Richards. With the games coming up, and Rangel not in the best of form, he may still get some game time. He really has to make the case for him being in the starting line-up. If not, he should look to go out on loan to a footballing Championship side - perhaps Bournemouth. He may well need to drop a level to get the game time he desperately needs. I think he's a decent player - but he has to prove it.
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Post by jbt95 on Dec 14, 2014 21:05:52 GMT
There's no getting away from it, it was a hashed clearance from Richards that was mainly responsible for Spurs' winner - although Swansea fans conveniently ignore the fact that Tremmel should have gathered Eriksen's initial shot, and that there was no pressure on either Davies (nice assist) or Eriksen from a set Swansea defence. A massive shame for Jazz, because up to that crucial error he'd played well. A couple of minutes before the goal he showed great composure in his own penalty area under pressure, in playing the ball out assuredly to a team mate. I thought then - that will do wonders for his confidence... It's fascinating seeing how most of my fellow Swansea fans are only too happy to scapegoat Richards, and yet choose to completely ignore Rangel's completely failure (again) to contest the ball for Spurs' opener. The period up to the end of the transfer window is a critical time for Richards. With the games coming up, and Rangel not in the best of form, he may still get some game time. He really has to make the case for him being in the starting line-up. If not, he should look to go out on loan to a footballing Championship side - perhaps Bournemouth. He may well need to drop a level to get the game time he desperately needs. I think he's a decent player - but he has to prove it. Wow another Swansea fan with a brain! I agree with everything you've said.
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Post by alarch on Dec 14, 2014 21:40:14 GMT
Garry Monk in his post-match conference said that Richards played very well up to his hashed clearance. Hopefully, he will see the bigger picture and view Jazz's performance holistically, rather than focussing exclusively on one (admittedly very bad) error.
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Post by marsvolta on Dec 14, 2014 21:50:46 GMT
The goal was after a series of catastrophic errors by swansea, not just Jazz.
Not only the goalies cock up by not holding on to it, it all started by a bizarre cross field attempt at a pass by Bartley.In those pissing down conditions you need to clear the ball, especially with only two minutes left.
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