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Post by llannerch on May 28, 2015 6:36:05 GMT
Capping kids so other countries can't demeans us, demeans a cap and in the longer run could stop dual qualified players from joining our setup at any age grade if they think they might end up being forced to commit before they're ready
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Post by Tommy32 on May 28, 2015 8:13:45 GMT
IMO a player shouldn't comit to the youth setup of a country if he isn't going to play for that country. It's a waste of resources for the country that loses out. I would like to see that rule changed personally, although I know it won't happen.
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Post by richierich333 on May 28, 2015 11:53:01 GMT
We have everything to gain and nothing to lose from caping dual qualified players. If they fail to make the grade later on they would never have been good enough to play for England, but if they become decent Premier League or Chamionship players they would be very close to our starting eleven. We won't be rewarded for being wet. We lost Rhys Williams after pissing about - no harm in the long run maybe, but the more depth we have the better. He is, was and always will be Australian and said as much. We shouldn't convince people to play for Wales, if they feel Welsh they will want to play for us regardless. If they don't feel Welsh then they won't. I wouldn't want a player playing for us for all the wrong reasons if his heart is not in it. They must be 100& committed or it will show on the pitch e.g. Vinnie Jones, Ben Thatcher we don't want players like that
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Post by alarch on May 28, 2015 12:04:59 GMT
But how Welsh does Sam Vokes feel? Or Ashley Williams - before he committed to Wales? The feeling of being Welsh for players such as these comes from repeatedly pulling on the Welsh shirt. Identity is a malleable thing. Had Rhys Williams stayed in the Welsh set-up I'm sure that he would be proclaiming his Welshness from the rooftops - and it probably would have some validity - as the act of committing to playing for Wales would in itself result in an attitudinal shift.
I don't think we should cap players at the first opportunity, just to tie them to our cause - because that would probably backfire long-term, because players would sus out that we were cynically acting in our own interest and not in theirs. But we shouldn't delay needlessly either - especially with players we can be confident will be assets in years to come. Tyler Roberts comes into that category in my opinion.
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Post by toshfan on May 28, 2015 13:36:56 GMT
Heis, was and always will be Australian and said as much. We shouldn't convince people to play for Wales, if they feel Welsh they will want to play for us regardless. If they don't feel Welsh then they won't. I wouldn't want a player playing for us for all the wrong reasons if his heart is not in it. They must be 100& committed or it will show on the pitch e.g. Vinnie Jones, Ben Thatcher we don't want players like that Your point is well made but there is no doubt in my mind about how proud Vinnie Jones was/is to have worn the shirt.
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Post by biwmares on May 28, 2015 22:55:05 GMT
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Post by Tim P on May 28, 2015 22:58:49 GMT
Heis, was and always will be Australian and said as much. We shouldn't convince people to play for Wales, if they feel Welsh they will want to play for us regardless. If they don't feel Welsh then they won't. I wouldn't want a player playing for us for all the wrong reasons if his heart is not in it. They must be 100& committed or it will show on the pitch e.g. Vinnie Jones, Ben Thatcher we don't want players like that Your point is well made but there is no doubt in my mind about how proud Vinnie Jones was/is to have worn the shirt.
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Post by bale-droed on May 29, 2015 4:18:57 GMT
Your point is well made but there is no doubt in my mind about how proud Vinnie Jones was/is to have worn the shirt. I think what Toshfan said makes perfect sense
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Post by alternativewales on May 29, 2015 14:15:24 GMT
But how Welsh does Sam Vokes feel? Or Ashley Williams - before he committed to Wales? The feeling of being Welsh for players such as these comes from repeatedly pulling on the Welsh shirt. Identity is a malleable thing. Had Rhys Williams stayed in the Welsh set-up I'm sure that he would be proclaiming his Welshness from the rooftops - and it probably would have some validity - as the act of committing to playing for Wales would in itself result in an attitudinal shift. Brilliant Alarch brilliant!
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Post by Tim P on May 29, 2015 16:20:20 GMT
I think what Toshfan said makes perfect sense You think that Vinnie Jones genuinely gave a shit about playing for Wales?
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 17:13:07 GMT
I think what Toshfan said makes perfect sense You think that Vinnie Jones genuinely gave a shit about playing for Wales? Spot on Trendy - he didn't give a shit. he'll probably reappear in the TV studio in about 13 months time though and act it all up again having some banter with sav.
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Post by llannerch on Jun 1, 2015 14:25:59 GMT
"Banter with Sav"
Three words that should never appear together in a sentence
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Post by robin1864 on Jun 6, 2015 15:35:20 GMT
I definitely subscribe to the In Coleman we Trust mantra, but I don't get the point of capping kids from youth teams in international qualifying matches. Sticking them in the squad to give them a taste of the atmosphere and training with Bale/Ramsey, etc. is one thing, but do we really need to cap kids to make sure they don't switch to England? Yes, think of Jack Grealish at the moment! Grealish seems like an average player on a bad team. We're capping kids who haven't got anything to boast about, then hoping they become good in the future. Roberts has played 5 times for Wales youth teams and only scored a goal, for WBA he's played 13 times and scored 3. Hardly setting the world alight, and I'd imagine England have better players to look at so we can be safe. If the FAW want to stop defections to England, they should offer incentive to stay which transcends an opportunity to play with Bale.
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Post by cadno on Jul 15, 2015 9:23:14 GMT
Scored 1, assisted 3 for the u21s
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Post by richierich333 on Jul 15, 2015 10:15:02 GMT
Yes, think of Jack Grealish at the moment! Grealish seems like an average player on a bad team. We're capping kids who haven't got anything to boast about, then hoping they become good in the future. Roberts has played 5 times for Wales youth teams and only scored a goal, for WBA he's played 13 times and scored 3. Hardly setting the world alight, and I'd imagine England have better players to look at so we can be safe. If the FAW want to stop defections to England, they should offer incentive to stay which transcends an opportunity to play with Bale. I disagree he's getting a lot of publicity and Hodgson has previous I suspect, seem to remember him sending him mentioning George Williams, Harry Wilson, J Williams at some point?
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Post by alternativewales on Jul 15, 2015 16:27:19 GMT
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Post by cadno on Aug 17, 2015 9:39:44 GMT
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Post by toshfan on Aug 17, 2015 11:49:14 GMT
Newport or Wrexham?
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Post by llannerch on Aug 17, 2015 12:33:26 GMT
If he went to Wrecsam he'd be competing with James Gray as striker or Connor Jennings playing just off (based on what I saw of them last week). Adam Smith is also available to cover forward positions. I'm not sure Mills will risk his new tenure with a 16 year old, no matter how promising he is. As a squad option though he would be a great addition. Would Pulis want a guarantee of him getting regular game time though?
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Post by cadno on Aug 17, 2015 16:06:44 GMT
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Post by ystradwales on Aug 26, 2015 21:52:45 GMT
Is anybody as surprised as me that Roberts was not named in the u17, u19, u21 or full squad?
Is he about to go out on loan from WBA and therefore, they didn't want him injured in Wales duty? I at least thought he would have been named in one of intermediate squad u19 or u21 given he's playing for WBA's u21 squad at the moment
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Post by ae15 on Aug 26, 2015 22:55:56 GMT
Is anybody as surprised as me that Roberts was not named in the u17, u19, u21 or full squad? Is he about to go out on loan from WBA and therefore, they didn't want him injured in Wales duty? I at least thought he would have been named in one of intermediate squad u19 or u21 given he's playing for WBA's u21 squad at the moment Yeah, I don't really know where he is? Let's just, as usual, hope it's not the worst, and that we don't see him in an England squad soon. He may just be training with the squad like last time.
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Post by hookd on Aug 26, 2015 23:24:10 GMT
Am a bit worried. You'd have expected to be picked for 1 squad! This was a recent post from him: Tyler Roberts @official_tyro Aug 25 Good luck to my boys for Wales today against Greece ?
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Post by quetzal on Aug 27, 2015 0:09:54 GMT
You all know why he's pulled out. England are going to get him and why cry about it because after all he is English
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Post by Tim P on Aug 27, 2015 10:39:41 GMT
You all know why he's pulled out. England are going to get him and why cry about it because after all he is English What a strange comment.
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Post by toshfan on Aug 27, 2015 10:55:29 GMT
You all know why he's pulled out. England are going to get him and why cry about it because after all he is English Were that to happen, and I do not think that it will, I think many of us would be sad as he has made a strong impression and we consider him one of us. He is only English if he says he is. Just checked his twitter profile and there is a picture of him in a tracksuit top next to SuperBale. As an aside, he appears to be a strong Christian. I just hope (or wish they had, if they did not) that a journalist asked why he was not in any of the squads.
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Post by texan on Aug 27, 2015 11:14:54 GMT
Remember that Tyler Roberts wasn't named in the squad for Belgium either, yet he was still invited to be part of the camp. There's nothing to suggest that that won't be the same arrangement this time either, he may well turn up in training next week like last time.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Aug 27, 2015 12:02:59 GMT
If we qualify, we must think about capping him and Bradshaw in the Bosnia/Andorra games.
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Post by toshfan on Aug 27, 2015 12:04:25 GMT
Remember that Tyler Roberts wasn't named in the squad for Belgium either, yet he was still invited to be part of the camp. There's nothing to suggest that that won't be the same arrangement this time either, he may well turn up in training next week like last time. I could be wrong, but weren't the names of the three young players, training with the senior side in advance of the Belgium game, announced along with the names of those in the squad?
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Post by texan on Aug 27, 2015 12:18:13 GMT
I could be wrong, but weren't the names of the three young players, training with the senior side in advance of the Belgium game, announced along with the names of those in the squad? Not on the FAW site announcing the officla squad: www.faw.org.uk/news/SQUAD-ANNOUNCED-FOR-RED-DEVILS-CLASH/100092/However I've just noticed that the BBC story reporting on the squad announcement DID in fact mention it: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32882386The BBC report however is dated 26/05/15 whilst the squad announcement on the FAW site is dated 22/05/15, so it may well be that the news about Wilson and Roberts only came out 3-4 days after the announcement. I'd like to see the same happen again so hopefully we'll see the media reporting on youngsters being tacked on after this weekend.
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