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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2014 12:32:46 GMT
We've got Gareth Bale.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2014 13:05:37 GMT
The important thing is that the players seem to genuinely believe in themselves - the first time since Gary Speed was in charge. There's a real sense of belief, just watching the highlights of Wales-Switzerland again - that was a fantastic win. www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRz-7_NdHPM As Texan said, running at Bosnia at pace high up the field throughout the game is definitely a good plan! Hennessey Taylor Collins Williams Davies Ramsey Allen Huws Bale Church Joniesta A stronger side than faced Switzerland, there's a case for Ledley, Gunter, Robson-Kanu to start. It'd be nice to have Sam Vokes back but I doubt he will be fit. I'm excited to see us play against them! |
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Post by welshiron on Jun 16, 2014 14:03:45 GMT
Gunter will be right back and Ledley will start ahead of Huws
As for Church, what a nightmare if we are relying on him, frankly he will never be good enough and we would be betteroff taking a punt on a youngster like Lawrence or George Williams
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2014 15:01:26 GMT
I disagree with you regarding Simon Church, he's quick and makes good runs into spaces/behind the defence, also links up well with Aaron Ramsey.
Although he's not a prolific goalscorer he will drag players out of position, link up play and help our other better players (Ramsey, Bale, Joniesta) to get opportunities to score.
I would start Sam Vokes ahead of him though if he recovers from his injury in time. Tom Lawrence or G.Williams are also good shouts, they'll press for a start if they're playing as strikers and scoring a lot of goals, I think they'd be better options to come off the bench for now though!
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Post by scoop76 on Jun 16, 2014 18:29:04 GMT
I agree with you Ladotelli we need to get maximum points against Israel, Cyprus and Andorra. (for 3rd spot) It'll be very interesting to see how we set up against Bosnia & Herzegovina, hopefully Mr.Coleman and others gets it spot on. A full Cardiff City Stadium would make a world of difference which means: A) We need to beat Andorra convincingly (a 6-0 would be great) B) We need our big stars to be playing. C) We need the FAW/media/everyone to advertise the game as much as possible. As much as a win is a win, the games against Andorra aren't very important. They are good for boosting moral but the result itself won't actually matter. The chances are they will finish 6th in our group and because one of the groups only has 5 teams, fifa will discard all results against the 6th placed teams in each group so unfortunately if we beat Andorra 10-0 and Israel lose to them, then Andorra finish last our result would mean bugger all. Wrong. The results against the 6th placed team are only discarded for the purposes of deciding the best 8 runners up. The results against Andorra matter 100 per cent when it comes to deciding the positions in our group. If we beat Andorra 10-0 and then Israel lose to them, then that is brilliant news for us. |
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Post by yanto on Jun 16, 2014 19:26:20 GMT
Whilst I only saw the highlights on MOTD I thought Bosnia looked very good too. However, I listened to a Bosnian journo saying that they treated it as bit of a high profile warm up as they fully expected to lose. Now that might suggest they were relaxed and played to full potential but I think their next 2 games will give us a better idea when the pressure will be on. It does indeed look like a mighty challenge beating them but that's only what we realistically expected? Provided batman and robin turn up we'll win.
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Post by welshwizard79 on Jun 16, 2014 19:51:57 GMT
@eddzeko: I have no words to describe what it means to wear this shirt. Can’t wait to play Argentina! #allin or nothing t.co/XIzQ3TnkQ7I appreciate the passion. I'd appreciate the passion too if I was getting plenty of £££ off adidas to give them a nice little plug Yeah he may be plugging his sponsor a little but he's 28, capped 62 times and scored 35 goals so he's pretty committed Id say. Be nice if some of our players past and present showed the same. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2014 20:32:19 GMT
I'd appreciate the passion too if I was getting plenty of £££ off adidas to give them a nice little plug Yeah he may be plugging his sponsor a little but he's 28, capped 62 times and scored 35 goals so he's pretty committed Id say. Be nice if some of our players past and present showed the same. And lets not forget that theres no artificial inflation of those caps through appearances at a finals. The bulk of them would have been accrued when Bosnia had very little to compete for. Players like Dzeko have enough pride to roll their sleeves up and get the fuck on with it. The Welsh simply decide not to bother. |
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Post by abwales on Jun 17, 2014 1:19:54 GMT
I can only imagine the pride and passion the Bosnian players feel when they represent their country after what they, their families and the Bosnian people have been through in such recent history. Our players pride and passion is microscopic in comparison. Going to Monaco over playing for us, not playing for us 2 weeks after playing 120 minutes for a club - a fucking joke. We've only shown a sufficient amount to qualify during the end of the Speed era. Under Coleman we've gone back to players making excuses. Bosnia are going to smash the shit out of us.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2014 7:58:42 GMT
Having watched Bosnia the other night can't see us getting much out of them they'll bully the hell out of our midfield!Coleman has to get his tactics right(for once) and make the midfield play at a high tempo shift their midfielders around if we go toe to toe with them we'll get stuffed!Collins has to play that game to deal with dzeko cause I think he's the only one who can deal with his physical presence,really impressed with them as a team!
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Post by alarch on Jun 17, 2014 8:59:39 GMT
Whoever came up with the expression "you can't polish a turd" clearly hadn't seen the USA play. Consistently, over several World Cups, they have played above themselves with a squad of huge mediocrity, mainly through being very well drilled and playing a conservative game to their limited strengths.
Something similar could be said with regard to Bosnia, apart from the fact that the quality of the players they have at their disposal is obviously far better. However, if you were to rank the players by the standing of the club sides they play for, allowing for their importance within the squad (e.g. first name on team sheet through to squad or youth player), and compared the quality of their squad to ours, I don't think there would be much difference, if any. The difference in team performance is therefore nothing to do with the talent they have at their disposal. The main thing they have in their favour is that (like Serbia) they appear seamless. Nobody stands out as being uncomfortable in their style of play, and the team is greater than the sum of their parts. Although we're getting there with the talent coming through, this is the big challenge facing Coleman, and I'm not confident he's up to it. His persistence with Gunter is an example of how he just doesn't get what's needed. Think collectively, not individually, should be the mantra. I'm just praying that events conspire to force his hand in the right direction.
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Post by alarch on Jun 17, 2014 9:06:07 GMT
You might be right vandenhauwe about the "bully the hell out of our midfield" comment, but I'm a bit more optimistic about our chances in that area. Central midfield is an area where we should have an edge over both Bosnia and Belgium, perhaps more so the latter.
The likes of Witsel, Fellaini and Dembele are all fine players, but none have particularly great finesse and guile, and aren't especially nimble-footed. If we're on our game, with the likes of Ramsey, Allen, Joniesta and Huws available we have the potential to run rings around that Belgium midfield, and therein lies our opportunity. Bosnia have a better blend of talents in central midfield than Belgium, but I still think we have the dynamism in Allen, Ramsey and Joniesta in particular to cause them serious problems in the centre of the park, where games are more often than not won or lost.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2014 10:23:30 GMT
You might be right vandenhauwe about the "bully the hell out of our midfield" comment, but I'm a bit more optimistic about our chances in that area. Central midfield is an area where we should have an edge over both Bosnia and Belgium, perhaps more so the latter. The likes of Witsel, Fellaini and Dembele are all fine players, but none have particularly great finesse and guile, and aren't especially nimble-footed. If we're on our game, with the likes of Ramsey, Allen, Joniesta and Huws available we have the potential to run rings around that Belgium midfield, and therein lies our opportunity. Bosnia have a better blend of talents in central midfield than Belgium, but I still think we have the dynamism in Allen, Ramsey and Joniesta in particular to cause them serious problems in the centre of the park, where games are more often than not won or lost. I completely agree alarch. if we put out Huws, Allen, Ramsey, J Williams & Bale on the same pitch I think Belgium & Bosnia will have plenty to worry about. Notwithstanding what Bale might produce himself, the space Bale will create for the others will also be key. |
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Post by flynnfan on Jun 17, 2014 11:55:57 GMT
I'd appreciate the passion too if I was getting plenty of £££ off adidas to give them a nice little plug Yeah he may be plugging his sponsor a little but he's 28, capped 62 times and scored 35 goals so he's pretty committed Id say. Be nice if some of our players past and present showed the same. YEah, except by the time Bale is 28 he should have well over 62 caps. He's 24 and got 45 as it is! |
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Post by flynnfan on Jun 17, 2014 12:03:42 GMT
Whoever came up with the expression "you can't polish a turd" clearly hadn't seen the USA play. Consistently, over several World Cups, they have played above themselves with a squad of huge mediocrity, mainly through being very well drilled and playing a conservative game to their limited strengths. Something similar could be said with regard to Bosnia, apart from the fact that the quality of the players they have at their disposal is obviously far better. However, if you were to rank the players by the standing of the club sides they play for, allowing for their importance within the squad (e.g. first name on team sheet through to squad or youth player), and compared the quality of their squad to ours, I don't think there would be much difference, if any. The difference in team performance is therefore nothing to do with the talent they have at their disposal. The main thing they have in their favour is that (like Serbia) they appear seamless. Nobody stands out as being uncomfortable in their style of play, and the team is greater than the sum of their parts. Although we're getting there with the talent coming through, this is the big challenge facing Coleman, and I'm not confident he's up to it. His persistence with Gunter is an example of how he just doesn't get what's needed. Think collectively, not individually, should be the mantra. I'm just praying that events conspire to force his hand in the right direction. Said it before, but even if Bosnia win the world cup, we can still beat them at home in October. The main thing that worries me is not the players (theirs or ours) it's..Is Coleman clever enough? Can we outsmart them? I keep referring to the Switzerland game in Swansea, but the reason for that is it's the one time in recent years that we've beaten a team of similar ability by outsmarting them. Having a game plan and carrying it out to near-perfection (before you pipe up storm, I've explained what the gameplan was before on another thread and I can't be bothered to go through it again!) how do we nullify their strengths? how do we exploit their weaknesses? How can we damage them most? These are the questions I hope Coleman is asking at this very moment. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2014 13:01:08 GMT
Whoever came up with the expression "you can't polish a turd" clearly hadn't seen the USA play. Consistently, over several World Cups, they have played above themselves with a squad of huge mediocrity, mainly through being very well drilled and playing a conservative game to their limited strengths. Something similar could be said with regard to Bosnia, apart from the fact that the quality of the players they have at their disposal is obviously far better. However, if you were to rank the players by the standing of the club sides they play for, allowing for their importance within the squad (e.g. first name on team sheet through to squad or youth player), and compared the quality of their squad to ours, I don't think there would be much difference, if any. The difference in team performance is therefore nothing to do with the talent they have at their disposal. The main thing they have in their favour is that (like Serbia) they appear seamless. Nobody stands out as being uncomfortable in their style of play, and the team is greater than the sum of their parts. Although we're getting there with the talent coming through, this is the big challenge facing Coleman, and I'm not confident he's up to it. His persistence with Gunter is an example of how he just doesn't get what's needed. Think collectively, not individually, should be the mantra. I'm just praying that events conspire to force his hand in the right direction. Said it before, but even if Bosnia win the world cup, we can still beat them at home in October. The main thing that worries me is not the players (theirs or ours) it's..Is Coleman clever enough? Can we outsmart them? I keep referring to the Switzerland game in Swansea, but the reason for that is it's the one time in recent years that we've beaten a team of similar ability by outsmarting them. Having a game plan and carrying it out to near-perfection (before you pipe up storm, I've explained what the gameplan was before on another thread and I can't be bothered to go through it again!) how do we nullify their strengths? how do we exploit their weaknesses? How can we damage them most? These are the questions I hope Coleman is asking at this very moment. I asked Coleman (on a Q&A on twitter) about the Bosnia-Herzegovina game because we tend to struggle against former-yugoslavian teams, and he acknowledged that they're a tough side for anyone to face but we just have to concentrate on ourselves and prepare the team in the best possible way for the 2 games against them. Osian Roberts posted a photo of himself watching Bosnia (one of their friendlies) and said something like "tactical analysis". It would be a momentous win in October, I do hope Cookie and co. get it spot on!! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2014 14:06:06 GMT
Agree with most if the comments yes with a first choice midfield we're a match for anyone and I'm optimistic that we can match Bosnia in there IF Coleman gets it right!personally id play two holding midfielders Allen and huws with ramsey infront of them bale and johny Williams on the wings with hrk up front the pace of the game will be important can't get bogged down in playing at a tempo that suits Bosnia!
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Post by nathan1710 on Jun 17, 2014 17:04:37 GMT
As much as a win is a win, the games against Andorra aren't very important. They are good for boosting moral but the result itself won't actually matter. The chances are they will finish 6th in our group and because one of the groups only has 5 teams, fifa will discard all results against the 6th placed teams in each group so unfortunately if we beat Andorra 10-0 and Israel lose to them, then Andorra finish last our result would mean bugger all. Wrong. The results against the 6th placed team are only discarded for the purposes of deciding the best 8 runners up. The results against Andorra matter 100 per cent when it comes to deciding the positions in our group. If we beat Andorra 10-0 and then Israel lose to them, then that is brilliant news for us. I stand corrected :-) |
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Post by ysbryd on Jun 17, 2014 18:51:57 GMT
Although they lost Bosnia showed that they are a good side. When we qualify it will be because we have beaten good sides to get there. I don't doubt it will be tough but we can beat Bosnia and from what I've seen Belgium as well. That doesn't mean it will be easy. Ha this is Wales I'm sure events will make it as impossible as they can be but we still have it in us to beat anyone on our day. It takes a bit of getting used to but we have players that can get a goal out of nothing even against the run of play. That hurts teams. God its killed us a few times in the past. So there you are as they say BELIEVE.
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Post by toshfan on Sept 11, 2014 11:36:09 GMT
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Post by welshiron on Sept 11, 2014 11:45:05 GMT
Like I have said on other threads playing Bosnia early on is a big plus
They have a new manager, their captain retired after the world cup as did a striker with 27 international goals
The only problem is Cyprus have given them a big wake up call but hopefully also dented their confidence
Can't wait for this game the atmosphere is going to be great with plenty of away support
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Post by ontheroadagain on Sept 11, 2014 11:53:19 GMT
Haven't seen the goals, but it would appear that Cyprus caught them on the break. If true it bodes well for us, if we can defend.
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Post by welshiron on Sept 11, 2014 11:59:36 GMT
First goal was a defensive mix up, second goal the striker outpaced the defence, got onto the long ball and finished excellantly
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Post by ontheroadagain on Sept 11, 2014 12:44:32 GMT
First goal was a defensive mix up, second goal the striker outpaced the defence, got onto the long ball and finished excellantly Thanks welshiron. |
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Post by Tim P on Sept 11, 2014 12:58:44 GMT
Like I have said on other threads playing Bosnia early on is a big plus They have a new manager, their captain retired after the world cup as did a striker with 27 international goals The only problem is Cyprus have given them a big wake up call but hopefully also dented their confidence Can't wait for this game the atmosphere is going to be great with plenty of away support I haven't done any research to back this up, but I feel like there is probably precedent for 'small' footballing nations suffering massive fall-offs post tournament qualification / tournament itself. I feel like we can beat Bosnia - they'll come to us thinking they need to win, and that should play to our strengths (in theory!) |
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Post by flynnfan on Sept 11, 2014 13:09:40 GMT
Like I have said on other threads playing Bosnia early on is a big plus They have a new manager, their captain retired after the world cup as did a jstriker with 27 international goals The only problem is Cyprus have given them a big wake up call but hopefully also dented their confidence Can't wait for this game the atmosphere is going to be great with plenty of away support something else cyprus have done with this result is that they have blown away the aura of facing bosnia in zenica. Curse? My arse. (see first post in the thread) bosnia are down. we have to make sure they now get a big kick while they are down there. |
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Post by texan on Sept 11, 2014 13:58:46 GMT
Having seen quite a few of their matches over the past year or so, Bosnia are technically very good. They rigidly stick to their formation and their positioning is often excellent, they rely on imposing their style of play on the opposition, slowing the game to a crawl by playing in front of their opponents and waiting for the opening or that one slip in concentration to let them in...they seem very patient and disciplined. Most of their goals come from set-plays where they're highly effective, dominant, strong and well organised, very rarely do they score on the break. They also have very good strikers of the ball from distance if given enough time on the ball outside the box to set up the shot.
However they are scared to death of teams running at them at pace, their defence is often caught flat and cope poorly with running back towards their own goal. Someone like Allen will be vital in this match to deny them space on the ball when they have posession and we need to press as a team. They're not quick and on the whole aren't very fluid or flexible, and won't cope with us taking the game to them at pace with quick passing. If we can get behind them we'll cause them serious damage with the players we have, they're not going to cope with Bale at all.
If we play anywhere near our capability we'll do well, Bosnia are very beatable. However my worry is we'll display the old Welsh problem of concentration, as they patiently pass away at a pedestrian pace at a safe distance just inside our half, our players switch off and miss Dzeko drifting inbetween them and - bang - we're a goal down.
We have to stay switched on and the pace ramped up.
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Post by llannerch on Sept 11, 2014 17:13:37 GMT
Having seen quite a few of their matches over the past year or so, Bosnia are technically very good. They rigidly stick to their formation and their positioning is often excellent, they rely on imposing their style of play on the opposition, slowing the game to a crawl by playing in front of their opponents and waiting for the opening or that one slip in concentration to let them in...they seem very patient and disciplined. Most of their goals come from set-plays where they're highly effective, dominant, strong and well organised, very rarely do they score on the break. They also have very good strikers of the ball from distance if given enough time on the ball outside the box to set up the shot. However they are scared to death of teams running at them at pace, their defence is often caught flat and cope poorly with running back towards their own goal. Someone like Allen will be vital in this match to deny them space on the ball when they have posession and we need to press as a team. They're not quick and on the whole aren't very fluid or flexible, and won't cope with us taking the game to them at pace with quick passing. If we can get behind them we'll cause them serious damage with the players we have, they're not going to cope with Bale at all. If we play anywhere near our capability we'll do well, Bosnia are very beatable. However my worry is we'll display the old Welsh problem of concentration, as they patiently pass away at a pedestrian pace at a safe distance just inside our half, our players switch off and miss Dzeko drifting inbetween them and - bang - we're a goal down. We have to stay switched on and the pace ramped up. Cookie, are you reading this? |
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Post by llannerch on Sept 11, 2014 17:15:47 GMT
Like I have said on other threads playing Bosnia early on is a big plus They have a new manager, their captain retired after the world cup as did a striker with 27 international goals The only problem is Cyprus have given them a big wake up call but hopefully also dented their confidence Can't wait for this game the atmosphere is going to be great with plenty of away support I haven't done any research to back this up, but I feel like there is probably precedent for 'small' footballing nations suffering massive fall-offs post tournament qualification / tournament itself. I feel like we can beat Bosnia - they'll come to us thinking they need to win, and that should play to our strengths (in theory!) Latvia and Slovenia never followed up their tournament debuts |
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Post by cymro on Sept 11, 2014 20:00:43 GMT
Having seen quite a few of their matches over the past year or so, Bosnia are technically very good. They rigidly stick to their formation and their positioning is often excellent, they rely on imposing their style of play on the opposition, slowing the game to a crawl by playing in front of their opponents and waiting for the opening or that one slip in concentration to let them in...they seem very patient and disciplined. Most of their goals come from set-plays where they're highly effective, dominant, strong and well organised, very rarely do they score on the break. They also have very good strikers of the ball from distance if given enough time on the ball outside the box to set up the shot. However they are scared to death of teams running at them at pace, their defence is often caught flat and cope poorly with running back towards their own goal. Someone like Allen will be vital in this match to deny them space on the ball when they have posession and we need to press as a team. They're not quick and on the whole aren't very fluid or flexible, and won't cope with us taking the game to them at pace with quick passing. If we can get behind them we'll cause them serious damage with the players we have, they're not going to cope with Bale at all. If we play anywhere near our capability we'll do well, Bosnia are very beatable. However my worry is we'll display the old Welsh problem of concentration, as they patiently pass away at a pedestrian pace at a safe distance just inside our half, our players switch off and miss Dzeko drifting inbetween them and - bang - we're a goal down. We have to stay switched on and the pace ramped up. Sounds like we should play like we did in the first half against Croatia at home then. They couldn't deal with Bellamy and Bale running at them. For whatever reason we changed at half time, and lost. When we've got teams on the rope like that we need to kill them off. |
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