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Post by welshiron on May 30, 2019 11:16:46 GMT
Is a strange one, possibly even Morgan Fox could of been included.
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Post by fiveattheback on May 30, 2019 16:12:47 GMT
Presumably he's got some kind of injury?
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Post by CrackityJones on Jun 27, 2020 11:55:02 GMT
Starts again for Preston, live on Sky
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Post by talyfan on Dec 10, 2020 19:20:25 GMT
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Post by brayfentos on May 31, 2021 22:46:49 GMT
I can’t fathom out how he’s not in this squad,I’ve said it before has he upset the bigwigs at Wales FA ?
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Jun 1, 2021 6:39:24 GMT
I can’t fathom out how he’s not in this squad,I’ve said it before has he upset the bigwigs at Wales FA ? Surprised he’s not in this Euros squad? Really? Ok he’s a Championship player who probably could count himself unlucky that he hasn’t previously had a cap or two like Morgan Fox but he’s uncapped, fairly injury prone. I think RND and Neco (Davies in a back 4 too) are better left backs and prospects imo tbh. Although perhaps there would have been some merit to see whether Andrew Hughes could be a LCB given he’s 6ft. But surely no surprise that he isn’t in the final Euros squad.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 1, 2021 8:38:23 GMT
He doesn't fit the mould of the player we call up now. He'll seen as someone who is at best an average Championship player who never really showed any promise than that throughout their career. The logic is that in terms of ability he doesn't match the younger players, and despite having more senior experience he just blocks the pathway and provides little long term benefit
To be of his age & profile you'd have to be very unique or add something different to this squad - which I think he isn't seen as doing by the powers that be
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Post by brayfentos on Jun 1, 2021 18:01:25 GMT
Yes i agree with that,but Tom Lockyer !!! I once heard that Paul Drummet told Wales to do one,here was a . player playing every week in the PL for Newcastle,not some Liverpool U23s with the odd cup game under his belt,Drummet was pissed off joining the squad only to warm the bench,most players would take the International break and get away rather than warm the bench,maybe something similar with Hughes.
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Jun 1, 2021 18:13:49 GMT
Yes i agree with that,but Tom Lockyer !!! I once heard that Paul Drummet told Wales to do one,here was a . player playing every week in the PL for Newcastle,not some Liverpool U23s with the odd cup game under his belt,Drummet was pissed off joining the squad only to warm the bench,most players would take the International break and get away rather than warm the bench,maybe something similar with Hughes. Bloody hell. Lockyer’s been nothing but reliable for us! Really don’t get the stick he and Morrell gets from the rabid VaulksIn mob in particular. Just baseless criticism. Dumbshit can do one, Davies was and is far better than that sicknote geordie. Also the timelines don’t marry up. D*mm*t t bottled (again) before Neco came onto the scene. Neco himself is far more effective than him with regards to the style we’re trying to play too.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 1, 2021 19:09:01 GMT
Dummett would actually be the ideal deputy to Davies if he was committed. He would be on 10-15 caps and would probably be ahead of Lawrence in the pecking order. He wasn't interested unless he was a guaranteed starter, which is nowhere near his talent ability
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Post by fiveattheback on Jun 1, 2021 20:23:03 GMT
Yes i agree with that,but Tom Lockyer !!! I once heard that Paul Drummet told Wales to do one,here was a . player playing every week in the PL for Newcastle,not some Liverpool U23s with the odd cup game under his belt,Drummet was pissed off joining the squad only to warm the bench,most players would take the International break and get away rather than warm the bench,maybe something similar with Hughes. Dummett is worse than Ben Davies and always has been. He was deluded to think he should be a guaranteed starter Lockyer has never let us down and deserves his spot.
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Post by marsvolta on Jun 1, 2021 21:15:06 GMT
Yes i agree with that,but Tom Lockyer !!! I once heard that Paul Drummet told Wales to do one,here was a . player playing every week in the PL for Newcastle,not some Liverpool U23s with the odd cup game under his belt,Drummet was pissed off joining the squad only to warm the bench,most players would take the International break and get away rather than warm the bench,maybe something similar with Hughes. Loads not right with this post. Lockyer wasn’t really in the squad instead of Dummett, in fact we only started calling Lockyer up after Dummett kept pulling out. If the under 23 Liverpool player who plays the odd cup game you are talking about is Neco, then he also wasn’t picked until after Dummett retired. Dummett plays left back or the left side of centre back. The ones in front of him were Davies, Chester and Williams who were likes better than him at the time. Every time Dummett got called up he cried off and pulled out, once even pulled out of qualifying games in June because he wanted the summer off. Is he really the type of player you want playing for us? And the last point, this has nothing to do with Andrew Hughes.
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Post by jimexotic on Sept 19, 2021 18:57:29 GMT
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Post by jimexotic on Sept 21, 2021 19:12:42 GMT
Playing left side of a three tonight, the versatile and fast becoming reliable Hughes in action now
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Post by jimexotic on Sept 21, 2021 19:16:18 GMT
He's opened the scoring
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Post by fiveattheback on Sept 21, 2021 19:27:27 GMT
Always found it odd he never got a call up
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Post by CrackityJones on Sept 21, 2021 20:03:26 GMT
He's probably better than James Lawrence
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Post by erasedcitizen on Sept 21, 2021 20:09:44 GMT
Always found it odd he never got a call up It's the way we call players up. We ignore players who have performed well in the Championship for years while calling up players who play a trendy style of football in League One, Premier League 2 or Bundesliga 2. It'll eventually stick that we need players like Hughes in the squad as backups.
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Post by insertname on Sept 21, 2021 20:14:30 GMT
Always found it odd he never got a call up It's the way we call players up. We ignore players who have performed well in the Championship for years while calling up players who play a trendy style of football in League One, Premier League 2 or Bundesliga 2. It'll eventually stick that we need players like Hughes in the squad as backups. Giggs is the only manager in recent times who didn’t seem afraid to expand the player base. In our position you can’t afford not to take a look at these players, and yet we don’t.
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Post by dai on Sept 21, 2021 20:45:35 GMT
It's the way we call players up. We ignore players who have performed well in the Championship for years while calling up players who play a trendy style of football in League One, Premier League 2 or Bundesliga 2. It'll eventually stick that we need players like Hughes in the squad as backups. Giggs is the only manager in recent times who didn’t seem afraid to expand the player base. In our position you can’t afford not to take a look at these players, and yet we don’t. Yeah we seem to get all excited about these youngsters who've barely played a senior game, yet ignore hardened, experienced 'older' players. Some of our youngsters have got quite a few more international caps than senior club appearances. Mad imo. Makes you wonder if we're devaluing the international cap, and gives young players the impression they don't have to work hard to represent your country. That whole idea was going to be a new thread of mine, but I know people are quite precious about critique these days. We should also make a thread of seasoned players in the Ch'ship, L1 and SPL who are getting overlooked.
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Post by iot on Sept 21, 2021 21:24:41 GMT
I can't say I've ever watched him play, but someone made the comparison with Lawrence which I can't really disagree with. But there's obvious logic to bedding in youngsters who may go on to be the bedrock of future success (even though most will flop) over senior players who are at a similar level to current squad members. It's highly doubtful that we would have had our recent success had Toshack not given all those youngsters so many opportunities at such a young age.
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Post by insertname on Sept 21, 2021 23:53:29 GMT
Giggs is the only manager in recent times who didn’t seem afraid to expand the player base. In our position you can’t afford not to take a look at these players, and yet we don’t. Yeah we seem to get all excited about these youngsters who've barely played a senior game, yet ignore hardened, experienced 'older' players. Some of our youngsters have got quite a few more international caps than senior club appearances. Mad imo. Makes you wonder if we're devaluing the international cap, and gives young players the impression they don't have to work hard to represent your country. That whole idea was going to be a new thread of mine, but I know people are quite precious about critique these days. We should also make a thread of seasoned players in the Ch'ship, L1 and SPL who are getting overlooked. I guess there’s a lot of competing narratives, as said above it’s important to bed youngsters in like Tosh did, but it’s also important to have a settled group and then it’s also important to try and patch things together with experienced pros etc. We can’t do it all with the time allotted at international level and it seems like foregoing certain older players seems to be the baseline commitment at the moment. Whilst I agree with the necessity of playing young players and giving them experience, they were good enough in Tosh’s day and we we had nothing to lose at that point anyway so it wasn’t as fraught with risk as it is now. We have something of an average crop at the moment that we are trying to bring in whilst maintaining the success we have had over the last couple of seasons and you wonder what good it’s really doing players like Roberts, playing them in their wrong position when they are woefully out of form and then having them cop the blame on forums for not being able to do a job. I also agree about the observation of cheap caps. I don’t think our selection strategy is optimal at the moment.
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Post by jimexotic on Sept 21, 2021 23:59:18 GMT
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Post by jimexotic on Sept 22, 2021 0:02:38 GMT
I think he's the perfect age, he's 29, that's when defenders come into their prime. Judging by all of the reports he's playing really well this season and is proving himself to be versatile across a back four or three. Realistically you could have 3-5 solid years out of him, not every call up should be with the next 10 years in mind, if someone is playing well and eligible and nobody is playing better than them, in our case some of ours aren't even playing, they should be given a chance, we have friendlies to look at players.
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Post by jimexotic on Oct 3, 2021 20:12:03 GMT
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Post by bale-droed on Dec 11, 2022 13:56:57 GMT
Good to see Ched scoring and Woodburn doing well but we shouldn’t forget Andrew Hughes at Preston. Didn’t start yesterday but usually does! And scored v Millwall two weeks ago. Page seems to want Cabango over him in the squad but I’m not so sure on that one.
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Post by mortillsy on Dec 11, 2022 14:42:01 GMT
I think he’s been really unlucky. He’s looked very solid when I’ve seen him play.
I wouldn’t have him in over Cabango. Early 20’s, 100+ appearances in the Championship etc. but, definitely room for improvement and has looked a bit dodgy at times.
Who would Hughes come in for?
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Post by bale-droed on Dec 11, 2022 15:29:58 GMT
Cabango. I’d personally be picking (if we stuck with 3cbs) Davies Rodon and Lockyer with Hughes and mepham in the squad as cover. Our best option to qualify for 2024 involves a lot of players 29-35 imo
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Post by fiveattheback on Dec 11, 2022 15:43:54 GMT
I don't think Mepham's done anything wrong to deserve being dropped, he's impressing in the Premier League as well
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Post by mortillsy on Dec 11, 2022 15:55:28 GMT
Yes, I see the logic there. You should really pick players based on ability, performance levels etc. but, I just think he’s a better player. He has some really strong attributes .. I suppose you don’t have Prem clubs sniffing around if you aren’t doing something right.
Granted I haven’t seen Lockyer this year. Has his performance levels gone up?
I know he was in and out of the Luton team last year in periods, but he must be doing something right! I think I’ve always viewed him as an old school defender with limited ability on the ball.
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