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Post by erasedcitizen on Jan 12, 2019 18:32:33 GMT
Poor result for Derby last night. Maybe missing their young talisman.... Poor is an understatement.. Out classed all round don't think even Harry could have pottered a performance to change the result Leeds seem to know every tactics we tried π€ I'm glad you lost after that.
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Jan 12, 2019 19:30:41 GMT
Poor is an understatement.. Out classed all round don't think even Harry could have pottered a performance to change the result Leeds seem to know every tactics we tried π€ I'm glad you lost after that. At this present time I don't care about football... Friday night football is bad enough but losing and losing badly makes weekend shit
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Jan 13, 2019 8:28:32 GMT
Good to see Harry going back to watch his home team and visit SO58 shop. Dreading the day this lad leaves pride park π«π«π«π«π«π«
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Post by zenith on Jan 16, 2019 20:18:29 GMT
Wilson looking superb against Southampton tonight
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Post by CrackityJones on Jan 16, 2019 21:21:59 GMT
Haha heβs done it again
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jan 16, 2019 21:33:30 GMT
Set up the equaliser too.
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Post by manulike on Jan 16, 2019 22:21:07 GMT
He's alrite ar Ary ;-)
I have the SofaScore app on my phone, and Harry got a score of 8.5. I don't remember anyone ever get 8.5 this season. Well done!
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Post by CrackityJones on Jan 16, 2019 22:33:27 GMT
There canβt be many players to have scored more direct freekicks this season.
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Jan 17, 2019 5:41:59 GMT
Harry Wilson β€
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Post by pendragon on Jan 17, 2019 8:46:42 GMT
Careful Welshram. You'll (almost) become as obsessed with Harry, as manulike is with Rambo π
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Post by cymroircarn on Jan 17, 2019 9:07:30 GMT
Did he take a penalty? Or was it to close to the goal for him? π
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Jan 17, 2019 9:37:15 GMT
Did he take a penalty? Or was it to close to the goal for him? π Every time we have free kick the opposition pick ball up and take to centre circle as the inevitable going to happen
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jan 17, 2019 10:01:09 GMT
There canβt be many players to have scored more direct freekicks this season. I believe the BBC reported 5 direct freekicks this season. Not sure if that included his one for us, but either way I doubt many players have 5 this season. Messi might, but I can't think of anyone else.
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Post by zenith on Jan 17, 2019 10:25:52 GMT
Watching Derby last night was very enjoyable. I wish Cardiff played with that flair.
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Post by texan on Jan 17, 2019 11:38:47 GMT
There canβt be many players to have scored more direct freekicks this season. No, apparently not... Derby County's Harry Wilson has scored eight goals from outside the box in all competitions this season, at least twice as many as any other player in the top four tiers of English football in 2018-19. Five of those eight have been from direct free-kicks....impressive!
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Post by pendragon on Jan 17, 2019 15:47:03 GMT
There canβt be many players to have scored more direct freekicks this season. I believe the BBC reported 5 direct freekicks this season. Not sure if that included his one for us, but either way I doubt many players have 5 this season. Messi might, but I can't think of anyone else. That's incredible. He will soon be our "go-to" goal-kick scorer π
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Post by alarch on Jan 17, 2019 16:44:21 GMT
I believe the BBC reported 5 direct freekicks this season. Not sure if that included his one for us, but either way I doubt many players have 5 this season. Messi might, but I can't think of anyone else. That's incredible. He will soon be our "go-to" goal-kick scorer π I was suggesting this a while back. Not such a heresy now that he takes over from Gareth Bale from set-pieces?
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Post by pendragon on Jan 17, 2019 16:50:10 GMT
That's incredible. He will soon be our "go-to" goal-kick scorer π I was suggesting this a while back. Not such a heresy now that he takes over from Gareth Bale from set-pieces? Not at all. I agree with you! Though Gareth should rest assured that he still has a place in the squad... we won't be putting him out to pasture just yet π
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Post by abwales on Jan 17, 2019 17:04:50 GMT
He has such a spark, some of the things he did yesterday were fantastic.
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Post by zenith on Jan 17, 2019 18:27:34 GMT
Fully believe Wilson will get 20+ goals for Wales.
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Post by iot on Jan 17, 2019 20:49:27 GMT
I don't rate him quite as highly as others. He has a fantastic skillset - the way he strikes the ball is up there with Bale. But I don't think he has that many strings to his bow. He'll get us a goal or an assist maybe one in every three games (which probably's enough to merit a start on its own), but when he's not scoring or assisting I'm not sure if he's contributing. He wasn't in the game 95% of the time yesterday, but then turned up with a goal and an assist so is rightly applauded. He got the winner for us in the second half against Ireland but was so invisible in the first half that I wouldn't have been surprised if he was on the verge of coming off. He was also non-existent in that dreadful albania game. So still a lot to prove for me.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jan 17, 2019 21:31:13 GMT
That's incredible. He will soon be our "go-to" goal-kick scorer π I was suggesting this a while back. Not such a heresy now that he takes over from Gareth Bale from set-pieces? I think Giggs said in an interview before about how Bale was demanding freekicks at a young age in Wales games. Looks like the shoe is on the other foot now. Let's see if Wilson steps up.
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Post by manulike on Jan 17, 2019 23:42:25 GMT
Interesting article. If I remember correctly, CR7 conversion rate from his free kicks is around about 3% or 4% ... "Wilson has converted 13.3% of his shots from range in 2018/19, nearly tripling the national average, a rate that seems unreasonably high. It is actually a drop-off from last year, however, when he converted 18.2% of his long-range shots for Hull, and over the course of the past full season β nearly 3000 minutes worth of data β Wilson has scored one out of every seven attempts from outside the box. There is a very real chance the 21-year old is just really, really good at shooting from range."
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Post by insertname on Jan 18, 2019 1:35:18 GMT
I don't rate him quite as highly as others. He has a fantastic skillset - the way he strikes the ball is up there with Bale. But I don't think he has that many strings to his bow. He'll get us a goal or an assist maybe one in every three games (which probably's enough to merit a start on its own), but when he's not scoring or assisting I'm not sure if he's contributing. He wasn't in the game 95% of the time yesterday, but then turned up with a goal and an assist so is rightly applauded. He got the winner for us in the second half against Ireland but was so invisible in the first half that I wouldn't have been surprised if he was on the verge of coming off. He was also non-existent in that dreadful albania game. So still a lot to prove for me. One the one hand I can't get over how pessimistic you are about Brooks and Wilson and yet talk Ramsey up so much- but then on the other it sounds like you value endeavour more than end product so I guess it kind of makes sense...as far as I am concerned he can sit around on his arse in the centre circle for 80% of a Wales game as long as he keeps coming up with goals from outside the area. I really don't get the whole "Well, he might score a rake of goals but he doesn't work hard enough" argument. He is there to score and create goals, not be the heart beat of the side. As such, his consistency at free kicks can't be ignored, his shooting is some of the best around as the stats confirm and he can even be dangerous from a wide role as he showed last night. He and Brooks and most likely Ampadu will be playing at the top of the game sooner rather than later and I hate the hyping of our players so I don't say that lightly at all.
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Post by abwales on Jan 18, 2019 11:08:08 GMT
Bale was the king of doing nothing then popping up out of nowhere to score. If he follows in his footsteps then hooray!
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Post by welshiron on Jan 18, 2019 12:08:42 GMT
Next season is a big one for Harry. My worry is he will be at Liverpool and get very little game time.
Think he needs to sign for an established premier league club like Everton or West Ham for example.
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Post by pendragon on Jan 18, 2019 13:18:28 GMT
Next season is a big one for Harry. My worry is he will be at Liverpool and get very little game time. Think he needs to sign for an established premier league club like Everton or West Ham for example. I think he'd be better off with a team like Wolves, Bournemouth or Watford. Not too unattractive football, they work hard, they're competitive (because they need to stay up) and he'd get the opportunity to play regular football. The move to the Cherries has done wonders for Brooks. Everton and West Ham seem a bit more volatile to me. They've had their ups and downs and slow starts to seasons, but as bigger clubs, they will always have a roster of promising players that could see someone like Wilson (who is unproven in the PL) sidelined occasionally, and well, when they're not doing well as a team, it can get really ugly (as some of our own nationals know only too well).
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Post by iot on Jan 18, 2019 13:24:17 GMT
I don't rate him quite as highly as others. He has a fantastic skillset - the way he strikes the ball is up there with Bale. But I don't think he has that many strings to his bow. He'll get us a goal or an assist maybe one in every three games (which probably's enough to merit a start on its own), but when he's not scoring or assisting I'm not sure if he's contributing. He wasn't in the game 95% of the time yesterday, but then turned up with a goal and an assist so is rightly applauded. He got the winner for us in the second half against Ireland but was so invisible in the first half that I wouldn't have been surprised if he was on the verge of coming off. He was also non-existent in that dreadful albania game. So still a lot to prove for me. One the one hand I can't get over how pessimistic you are about Brooks and Wilson and yet talk Ramsey up so much- but then on the other it sounds like you value endeavour more than end product so I guess it kind of makes sense...as far as I am concerned he can sit around on his arse in the centre circle for 80% of a Wales game as long as he keeps coming up with goals from outside the area. I really don't get the whole "Well, he might score a rake of goals but he doesn't work hard enough" argument. He is there to score and create goals, not be the heart beat of the side. As such, his consistency at free kicks can't be ignored, his shooting is some of the best around as the stats confirm and he can even be dangerous from a wide role as he showed last night. He and Brooks and most likely Ampadu will be playing at the top of the game sooner rather than later and I hate the hyping of our players so I don't say that lightly at all. It's not endeavour that I value over end-product, it's the overall contribution towards the team's performance. That's why I rate Ramsey so highly and prefer him to play slightly deeper than a no. 10 role, because of his all-rounded skillset. He constantly looks for the ball and gets involved through the simple things, but also tries the high-risk high-reward stuff on a regular basis too. Wilson's great at the high-risk, high-reward stuff such as his shots from distance, but I'm not sure how much he contributes towards the team's performance outside of that. If we assume that Bale continues to be first choice on free-kicks (which I disagree with btw) and take out Wilson's 5 goals from free kicks this season, he's only scored 6 from 25. I haven't watched him as much as others on here, so may be wrong, but from what I've seen he doesn't do much other than the goals he scores. So assuming that his goal scoring rate is the same with us (1 in 5 minus freekicks), I'm not sure how much we get from him? As I say, I haven't watched him as much as others, so perhaps he is doing more than I give him credit for.
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Post by iot on Jan 18, 2019 13:27:42 GMT
One the one hand I can't get over how pessimistic you are about Brooks and Wilson and yet talk Ramsey up so much- but then on the other it sounds like you value endeavour more than end product so I guess it kind of makes sense...as far as I am concerned he can sit around on his arse in the centre circle for 80% of a Wales game as long as he keeps coming up with goals from outside the area. I really don't get the whole "Well, he might score a rake of goals but he doesn't work hard enough" argument. He is there to score and create goals, not be the heart beat of the side. As such, his consistency at free kicks can't be ignored, his shooting is some of the best around as the stats confirm and he can even be dangerous from a wide role as he showed last night. He and Brooks and most likely Ampadu will be playing at the top of the game sooner rather than later and I hate the hyping of our players so I don't say that lightly at all. It's not endeavour that I value over end-product, it's the overall contribution towards the team's performance. That's why I rate Ramsey so highly and prefer him to play slightly deeper than a no. 10 role, because of his all-rounded skillset. He constantly looks for the ball and gets involved through the simple things, but also tries the high-risk high-reward stuff on a regular basis too. Wilson's great at the high-risk, high-reward stuff such as his shots from distance, but I'm not sure how much he contributes towards the team's performance outside of that. If we assume that Bale continues to be first choice on free-kicks (which I disagree with btw) and take out Wilson's 5 goals from free kicks this season, he's only scored 6 from 25. I haven't watched him as much as others on here, so may be wrong, but from what I've seen he doesn't do much other than the goals he scores. So assuming that his goal scoring rate is the same with us (1 in 5 minus freekicks), I'm not sure how much we get from him? As I say, I haven't watched him as much as others, so perhaps he is doing more than I give him credit for. Just to expand a little on my point, it's interesting that Klopp describes him as a 'finisher' when he got his new contract at the start of the season: www.liverpoolfc.com/news/first-team/306610-harry-wilson-contract-jurgen-kloppIt's why I don't think he'll ever break into the liverpool side, because they expect a greater contribution from their players than someone who will pop up with a goal every three or four games and not do much else.
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Post by oberon on Jan 18, 2019 16:48:56 GMT
Agree with iot he needs to improve his all round game and be more involved Wales can only benefit if he can add more to his game, he is an undoubted talent we need to squeeze more out of.
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