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Post by readingfcwelshman on Dec 17, 2015 12:29:56 GMT
Yes, definitely - hence the criteria for Cyprus and Bosnia! My post was more about why Belgium away would be a bad criteria to use, and a general guess at how many have already traveled away recently.
Of course, it's extremely unlikely that anyone who did all 5 away games this campaign (or even 3 or 4) hadn't already had membership for the last 3 campaigns anyway!
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Post by cymroircarn on Dec 17, 2015 12:41:17 GMT
Yes, definitely - hence the criteria for Cyprus and Bosnia! My post was more about why Belgium away would be a bad criteria to use, and a general guess at how many have already traveled away recently. Of course, it's extremely unlikely that anyone who did all 5 away games this campaign (or even 3 or 4) hadn't already had membership for the last 3 campaigns anyway! Fair point, perhaps Belgium away the previous campaign is a better yardstick? |
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Post by yanto on Dec 17, 2015 14:42:59 GMT
Remember it is over a number of campaigns not just this one to ensure the regulars are looked after. I believe only 1500 have had a membership for the last 3 campaigns and less than 700 of these have been to 4 of the last 8 aways (as per the Bosnia criteria) I believe the regular who has been a member for 3 campaigns with an away here and there is more "loyal" than someone who has done all games this campaign By that criteria i'm in the 1500 but defo not 700. |
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Post by cymroircarn on Dec 17, 2015 15:21:18 GMT
Remember it is over a number of campaigns not just this one to ensure the regulars are looked after. I believe only 1500 have had a membership for the last 3 campaigns and less than 700 of these have been to 4 of the last 8 aways (as per the Bosnia criteria) I believe the regular who has been a member for 3 campaigns with an away here and there is more "loyal" than someone who has done all games this campaign By that criteria i'm in the 1500 but defo not 700. I'm sure these figures have been quoted by the FAW and/or Corky recently so hopefully I'm not proven wrong....! |
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Post by onthewaytofrance on Dec 17, 2015 15:46:18 GMT
no way is it more loyal this is euro 2016 some person who has done all home and away campiagns deserves more, on this basis if stop going games but in the past went to every game i am more deserving nonsense. same if we get to russia world cup new blood of supporters coming through , if you want to go to russia world cup go to eevry home and away you can in that qualify campaign , only bring the past up if it is a tie !. new blood are loyal to , old supporters are loyal but they need toc have gone to aways this campiagn to be first in the que !
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Post by cymroircarn on Dec 17, 2015 16:01:19 GMT
no way is it more loyal this is euro 2016 some person who has done all home and away campiagns deserves more, on this basis if stop going games but in the past went to every game i am more deserving nonsense. same if we get to russia world cup new blood of supporters coming through , if you want to go to russia world cup go to eevry home and away you can in that qualify campaign , only bring the past up if it is a tie !. new blood are loyal to , old supporters are loyal but they need toc have gone to aways this campiagn to be first in the que ! That's the whole point - there are 14000 members this campaign because we have been doing well. Most tickets we have for a game is 6000 therefore they need to look at prior history. Yes, having been to every home and away this campaign should put you in a strong position but what about those who do this every campaign? These are the real regulars (as before I prefer not to use the term "loyal") |
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Post by onthewaytofrance on Dec 17, 2015 16:58:14 GMT
as i say f it is a tie then those who have done multiple memberships should get ahead. just some people saying they have been loyal for years and have not done many games this season i am aiming at , it should go back as far as they need to if it is a tie. example a person has tournament ticket plus all aways and ties with person who has previous memberships, previous membership should get it, however only if its a tie. I think the faw should have cut off membership at a earlier point would have stopped it increasing so much. Sick of peopel saying i had other things to do or skint , so did everyone else its called life but the people who scariface and go to most games should get the tickets, funny those who never go willing to all of sudden want a month away from home in summer !.
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Post by garynysmon on Dec 17, 2015 18:45:05 GMT
I would be rather screwed if it was only based on this campaign, as the only away I did was Belgium. On the flipside, I hardly missed a match during the Euro 2012 campaign and did well during the World Cup one. Saving for a house deposit has meant me having less spare cash to throw around for the past year or so unfortunately.
I may be biased, but surely its easier to go and support a winning team rather than see us get spanked in Basel or an embararringsly empty stadium against Northern Ireland in Dublin? I totally agree with the criteria going back 5 years.
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Post by cymroircarn on Dec 17, 2015 20:33:27 GMT
I would be rather screwed if it was only based on this campaign, as the only away I did was Belgium. On the flipside, I hardly missed a match during the Euro 2012 campaign and did well during the World Cup one. Saving for a house deposit has meant me having less spare cash to throw around for the past year or so unfortunately. I may be biased, but surely its easier to go and support a winning team rather than see us get spanked in Basel or an embararringsly empty stadium against Northern Ireland in Dublin? I totally agree with the criteria going back 5 years. Agree with you mate. I know everyone has to start some time but you can't discard the ones who have been going through the bad and very bad times |
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Post by yanto on Dec 18, 2015 9:15:33 GMT
I would be rather screwed if it was only based on this campaign, as the only away I did was Belgium. On the flipside, I hardly missed a match during the Euro 2012 campaign and did well during the World Cup one. Saving for a house deposit has meant me having less spare cash to throw around for the past year or so unfortunately. I may be biased, but surely its easier to go and support a winning team rather than see us get spanked in Basel or an embararringsly empty stadium against Northern Ireland in Dublin? I totally agree with the criteria going back 5 years. You hit a few truths there mate, lifes constraints affect alot of our ability to attend or pay for games, away in particular. Does not make anyone less loyal. The danger is older fans may geg ignored in favour of the newer ones, business model patent ccfc. |
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Post by cymroircarn on Dec 18, 2015 9:25:57 GMT
I would be rather screwed if it was only based on this campaign, as the only away I did was Belgium. On the flipside, I hardly missed a match during the Euro 2012 campaign and did well during the World Cup one. Saving for a house deposit has meant me having less spare cash to throw around for the past year or so unfortunately. I may be biased, but surely its easier to go and support a winning team rather than see us get spanked in Basel or an embararringsly empty stadium against Northern Ireland in Dublin? I totally agree with the criteria going back 5 years. You hit a few truths there mate, lifes constraints affect alot of our ability to attend or pay for games, away in particular. Does not make anyone less loyal. The danger is older fans may geg ignored in favour of the newer ones, business model patent ccfc. This is why the FAW check over the last 3 campaigns |
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Post by onthewaytofrance on Dec 18, 2015 13:30:25 GMT
on this board you will all want russia world cup tickets despite not going to any away games for the world cup campaign , whatever age or life constraints the most loyal deal with them ! .i know people with low paid jobs big family and attend all games you want tickets go to all games for russia world cup campaign. 3 campaigns back makes a mockery of this campaign, you want euro 2016 tickets simple should go to those who attended most games for euro 2016 campaign first .
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Post by cymroircarn on Dec 18, 2015 13:42:10 GMT
on this board you will all want russia world cup tickets despite not going to any away games for the world cup campaign , whatever age or life constraints the most loyal deal with them ! .i know people with low paid jobs big family and attend all games you want tickets go to all games for russia world cup campaign. 3 campaigns back makes a mockery of this campaign, you want euro 2016 tickets simple should go to those who attended most games for euro 2016 campaign first . But if you have attended all games for past 3 campaigns why should you be treated the same as someone who has just done the one campaign? When tickets are limited there has to be a scoring system. There is, it's in place, and in use. |
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Post by garynysmon on Dec 18, 2015 14:47:05 GMT
Daft argument. What you're trying to say is that going to Cyprus or Belgium away this time is more loyal than going to Belgium or Bulgaria away in recent campaigns.
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Post by readingfcwelshman on Dec 18, 2015 15:34:53 GMT
Perhaps, with that in mind, perhaps they should take out (or at the very least place lower importance) on the "big" away trips like Cyprus/Belgium/Scotland/England. Those who did Andorra, Israel or Bosnia this campaign are very unlikely to be on the bandwagon, and the vast majority of them (if not all) will have been to away games in previous campaigns as well.
Maybe after those tickets were allocated you could go back to including those "big" games, but I have a suspicion that even with those included there won't be 6,000 fans in that group. I think it will mostly come down to how many fans request 2 tickets rather than one more than anything!
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Post by yanto on Dec 18, 2015 18:12:33 GMT
Perhaps, with that in mind, perhaps they should take out (or at the very least place lower importance) on the "big" away trips like Cyprus/Belgium/Scotland/England. Those who did Andorra, Israel or Bosnia this campaign are very unlikely to be on the bandwagon, and the vast majority of them (if not all) will have been to away games in previous campaigns as well. Maybe after those tickets were allocated you could go back to including those "big" games, but I have a suspicion that even with those included there won't be 6,000 fans in that group. I think it will mostly come down to how many fans request 2 tickets rather than one more than anything! And thats why we should not buy 2 to ensure regular fans get tickets. Simple. |
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Post by onthewaytofrance on Dec 18, 2015 18:47:26 GMT
Think we can all get sorted by other means for wales v slovakia , french all football mad but still cant see to many neautrals wanting wales v Slovakia , it will sell out but think come resale portal if you are qucik can get sorted, but perhaps at cat 1 or cat 2 . shame cat 4 is so cheap seems huge jumps in price to me so makes it obvious to not apply for cat 4 as cat 4 is 18 pounds which is stupidly cheap .
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Post by onthewaytofrance on Dec 20, 2015 13:08:30 GMT
anyone else really annoyed its 2 per member, why can dads of kids or mums just link accounts with codes , surly they would almost both either get a ticket or not that way they can sit next to each other. or if a dad and lad went to are fans and swapped tickets i would give up my seat to someone who needed to sit together . we have the lowest allocation of nearly all teams yet its 2 per member, no were in qualification was it 2 per member !. 2 per member equals tickets all gone way before anyone can imagine, all of bosnia reqest 2 thts the allocation almost gone right their. faw need to make it 1 per person if that means sitting by myself so be it, maybe some way to make dad and sons sit together.
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Post by cymroircarn on Dec 20, 2015 13:12:53 GMT
anyone else really annoyed its 2 per member, why can dads of kids or mums just link accounts with codes , surly they would almost both either get a ticket or not that way they can sit next to each other. or if a dad and lad went to are fans and swapped tickets i would give up my seat to someone who needed to sit together . we have the lowest allocation of nearly all teams yet its 2 per member, no were in qualification was it 2 per member !. 2 per member equals tickets all gone way before anyone can imagine, all of bosnia reqest 2 thts the allocation almost gone right their. faw need to make it 1 per person if that means sitting by myself so be it, maybe some way to make dad and sons sit together. Whilst I agree it should be 1 per member this is a UEFA decision so out of FAW hands hence why it has not been like this in qualification |
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Post by ianrush79 on Jan 1, 2016 13:07:24 GMT
anyone else really annoyed its 2 per member, why can dads of kids or mums just link accounts with codes , surly they would almost both either get a ticket or not that way they can sit next to each other. or if a dad and lad went to are fans and swapped tickets i would give up my seat to someone who needed to sit together . we have the lowest allocation of nearly all teams yet its 2 per member, no were in qualification was it 2 per member !. 2 per member equals tickets all gone way before anyone can imagine, all of bosnia reqest 2 thts the allocation almost gone right their. faw need to make it 1 per person if that means sitting by myself so be it, maybe some way to make dad and sons sit together. Whilst I agree it should be 1 per member this is a UEFA decision so out of FAW hands hence why it has not been like this in qualification It hasn't been UEFA's decision as Belgium are selling only one ticket per supporter Attachments:
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Post by ianrush79 on Jan 1, 2016 13:11:18 GMT
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Post by ianrush79 on Jan 1, 2016 13:15:36 GMT
if the FAW really wanted to sell one ticket per member then they could have done so. What they have opted for is a halfway house that doesn't reward true loyalty. It should be one member equals one ticket and kept as simple as that.
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Post by Gary Williams on Jan 2, 2016 0:20:53 GMT
Hi All
the reason england have better run system is that they can afford large ticketing department and basically they can go through every application matching name to loyalty it is not linked by UEFA system
but reality check england have said they unlikely to sell all they're tickets for two out of three fixtures and they can absorb any costs UEFA might impose where this isnt the case for FAW cant and if you note england have less members than us probably because of 75 quid charge
so reason we have more is reasonable priced scheme to encourage fan participation
People using Russia as example if we qualify i think is red herring i dont see issue there issue know as this is our first tournament and on our doorstep
Russia we cost a fortunate to go too make no mistake and if you think ENgland can struggle to sell allocations with thyere population then once the novelty wears off we will struggle aswell
I Think FAW need to ensure that long term supporters and new ones this campaign are considered so as to keep fans for future campaigns
As everyone keeps saying about this campaign well there where 700 odd in Bosnia so thats potential how many went to all games and i would say maybe there where 500 went to all i know a few fans who qualified for a ticket to that game who didnt go to all the away game this camapign
so at 2 per each of them if they apply for two would be a thousand theyre is another 5000 to deal with
I think the ones who will miss out are people who have never gone away and that is why some have gone to an AM to complain i can understand this
I think maybe something along what england have done 10/15 percent of tickets gone to people who have attended home games across last three campaigns with memberships might be helpful
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Post by yanto on Jan 2, 2016 9:45:59 GMT
if the FAW really wanted to sell one ticket per member then they could have done so. What they have opted for is a halfway house that doesn't reward true loyalty. It should be one member equals one ticket and kept as simple as that. Glad you evidenced this mr rush as there has been a majority on here saying its out of faws hands,its uefas fault/decision. It is NOW out of faws hand but they obviously had a choice and for some reason chose 2 tickets. I'm surprised that they did not consult the fsf mind? |
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Post by Gary Williams on Jan 2, 2016 20:57:42 GMT
Hi it seems everyone thinks its black and white decision on how many tickets to allow per gold member its not
22 out of 24 nations allow 2 or more it a lots of cases 4
1 is only 1 per account and thats belgium who probably think they will easily sell theyre alloctions as theyre land neighbours to france
england is 4 members allowed on one application they have all got to be members but doesnt really explain which loyalty will be used i.e applicant with most or average of them even if average someone with good loyalty can bump up others with less so not perfect
penalties for not selling allocations are probably finaicial
but one certain one which is stated in English FA FAQ is should opponents not sell thy-ere allocation some could be transferred to opposition
everyone has to realize that no one has been allocated an actually seat yet even those who bought in general sale earlier last year and are confirmed stadiums seating plans can be amended to suit UEFA selling all tickets also categories can be amended as well i think thats why we may not get those details until all applications are in because UEFA want to sell everything now and then make another load of money in fees on exchange site if they have to list remaining tickets on there aswell only on chance to cash in
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Post by onthewaytofrance on Jan 2, 2016 21:56:26 GMT
nonsense england will sell out allocation easy , they just have alot of new members joining now for a Russia ticket, not everyone in england membership will get one , in a system that costs 75 pounds yes england memebrs must pay 75 quid to join !!!! ares is ten pounds . ABSORB COSTS A SHAMBLES HERE cant be true !, WE CAN SELL OUT ARE SMALL ALLOCATIONS, ONE TICKET PER MEMBER CODES IF YOU WANT TO SIT NEXT TO YOUR MATES, we woul;d sell out any allocation of say 20,000 easily simple as that .
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Post by Gary Williams on Jan 2, 2016 23:38:35 GMT
Yes but decision was made before that was know Northern Ireland asked for one ticket per member and where told no so in the end theyre said they would influence it at theyre end by looking at joint loyalty
A game in paris yes i believe we could have sold out any allocation but as England are saying a game in Marseille with 11,000 i think we would have be more difficult remember the bigger the allocation more of the allocation will be at higher price
no need to shout you are wrong we can only sell about 14,000 that how many members we have if one member one ticket so as i have stated above if we had 11,000 allocation like some of the grounds then would of not sold all i think about 7000 to 8000 applications will be it i am sure after it closes corky will be able to find out total applications
i if everyone of them apply for two then 16,000 ticket requests
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Post by Gary Williams on Jan 2, 2016 23:41:07 GMT
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Post by Gary Williams on Jan 2, 2016 23:55:54 GMT
number of tickets per applications
one: belgium
two: us Northern Ireland Turkey France Geramny
Four: everyone else including england but they all have to be members and members details entered so technically one but this is how they get around junior ticketing issue and is correct number for family of four
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Post by jbt95 on Jan 12, 2016 13:16:36 GMT
number of tickets per applications Four: everyone else including england but they all have to be members and members details entered so technically one but this is how they get around junior ticketing issue and is correct number for family of four Why did we not do this then? |
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