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Post by welshiron on Mar 30, 2019 9:29:45 GMT
One question
Why is he on the bench at a bottom half championship team after being a failure at Everton?
Are the other defenders lifting more weight?
As for not playing that can be good for some players but not for William's as he is always off the pace when not match fit. Even the 20 yards isn't enough
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Post by cadno on Mar 30, 2019 11:10:14 GMT
Ashley Williams has actually been fine for Wales over the last few years, I really don't know how people can't see that.
His club form has been poor, but then again he went to Everton (crap club at the moment) then Stoke (crap club at the moment).
I think he's gone to the wrong clubs at the wrong time, and people aren't looking at his performances for Wales but have a preconception of him having "Lost it!!!!" due to his poor club form.
If you cba to watch our games back over the last 3 years, have a look at WhoScored website, like alarch pointed out, Williams was rated the 3rd best player in our group in the nations league games.
Man of the match versus Rep of Ireland a few months ago.
Saying all of that, we have got other options (as proved last sunday) who can step in and do a job, and Giggs has admited he wants his players to be playing regularly for their clubs, so Ash needs to leave Stoke really.
Maybe he should go abroad, there'll be less limelight on his club performances and maybe people will be a bit more open minded when watching him play for Wales.
He's 34, hopefully we qualify and he'll probably retire after EURO 2020. He still has a lot to offer us over the next 2 years, give him a break.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 30, 2019 11:30:30 GMT
You need to put your book of clichés away. Captain just means you are the leader of the squad. You don't need to be in the starting XI just because you are captain, you can still have the best leadership qualities but not be the best player. Also being too proud to receive treatment isn't a quality any player should have, yet alone the captain. captain's should start. end of. you're the one talking in cliches. "Also being too proud to receive treatment isn't a quality any player should have, yet alone the captain." what a load of nonsense!! players see captains being injured and playing on and it inspires them. no welsh captain should be "seeking treatment" for an injury infront of the oppostion. instantly makes us look weak. you need to read a sports psychology book "captain's should start. end of." - Players with leadership qualities should be on the field, and you should always have more than one leader within your squad. This doesn't mean that the squad captain should always start. As evidenced against Slovakia where the lack of Ashley Williams didn't have a negative impact on our performance because we had other leaders to step in. What I said wasn't a cliché. I've seen loads of players who have tried to play on through injuries because of their own pride/not wanting to "look weak", and they've ended up with career ending injuries as a result. All these people I've spoken to regret doing this immensely and realise now how stupid it was. It's not a clever thing to do. Also, I have a Master's degree in Psychology and currently work within the field, so you've picked the wrong person to aim that comment at fella. Trust me when I say you really need to do more reading on the subject of Psychology before you make comments like the ones you have made in this thread, otherwise you end up looking a bit silly.
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Post by jbt95 on Mar 30, 2019 21:17:35 GMT
Ashley Williams has actually been fine for Wales over the last few years, I really don't know how people can't see that. His club form has been poor, but then again he went to Everton (crap club at the moment) then Stoke (crap club at the moment). I think he's gone to the wrong clubs at the wrong time, and people aren't looking at his performances for Wales but have a preconception of him having "Lost it!!!!" due to his poor club form. If you cba to watch our games back over the last 3 years, have a look at WhoScored website, like alarch pointed out, Williams was rated the 3rd best player in our group in the nations league games. Man of the match versus Rep of Ireland a few months ago. Saying all of that, we have got other options (as proved last sunday) who can step in and do a job, and Giggs has admited he wants his players to be playing regularly for their clubs, so Ash needs to leave Stoke really. Maybe he should go abroad, there'll be less limelight on his club performances and maybe people will be a bit more open minded when watching him play for Wales. He's 34, hopefully we qualify and he'll probably retire after EURO 2020. He still has a lot to offer us over the next 2 years, give him a break. He's on loan from Everton where his contract expires end of June - so he's a free agent. You are right, at his age (basically 35 starting next season), a move abroad could be good for him, although where exactly? Could be suited to the Dutch league possibly. He will probably be in the championship though I would imagine, maybe Birmingham with Monk? I get the feeling he will want to retire in good condition, rather than drag it out, so next season might well be his last.
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Post by dai on Mar 31, 2019 13:47:01 GMT
He will most certainly be picked up by a championship side. He is still a very decent defender and not this player whos suddenly become bad overnight like some say. Unfortunately for him and fortunately for us we have Mepham, Chester, Lawrence, Dummet and probably Rodon who are all more in form and younger players.
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Post by manulike on Apr 6, 2019 15:17:03 GMT
Ash coming on after 56'
EDIT Sam coming on on the 61'
Good news for Wales
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Post by donttakemehomebutt - Lobsy on Apr 12, 2019 18:56:45 GMT
captain's should start. end of. you're the one talking in cliches. "Also being too proud to receive treatment isn't a quality any player should have, yet alone the captain." what a load of nonsense!! players see captains being injured and playing on and it inspires them. no welsh captain should be "seeking treatment" for an injury infront of the oppostion. instantly makes us look weak. you need to read a sports psychology book "captain's should start. end of." - Players with leadership qualities should be on the field, and you should always have more than one leader within your squad. This doesn't mean that the squad captain should always start. As evidenced against Slovakia where the lack of Ashley Williams didn't have a negative impact on our performance because we had other leaders to step in. What I said wasn't a cliché. I've seen loads of players who have tried to play on through injuries because of their own pride/not wanting to "look weak", and they've ended up with career ending injuries as a result. All these people I've spoken to regret doing this immensely and realise now how stupid it was. It's not a clever thing to do. Also, I have a Master's degree in Psychology and currently work within the field, so you've picked the wrong person to aim that comment at fella. Trust me when I say you really need to do more reading on the subject of Psychology before you make comments like the ones you have made in this thread, otherwise you end up looking a bit silly. you've "seen loads of players who have tried to play on through injuries because of their own pride/not wanting to "look weak", and they've ended up with career ending injuries as a result" if you've seen so many then, name 8 players?? "Also, I have a Master's degree in Psychology and currently work within the field, so you've picked the wrong person to aim that comment at fella." your nan writing "master degree" on a piece of bog roll doesn't mean your a master in a subject my boy. I have the best psychological degree the world can give you. war.
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Post by donttakemehomebutt - Lobsy on Apr 12, 2019 19:11:25 GMT
why swear? also gurantee ash will be besting all the other defenders in the weights room come june. he's the strongest player in the squad. i just don't see how anyone would start scrawny kids over him. especially after what he did at the euros? Its football not body building and the euros were 3 years ago. Also the scrawny kid Mepham is playing for a mid table epl team. Ash is currently bench warming at a bottom half championship team. again so what? ash experienced pro and welsh captain and hero of euro 2016!! and yes, body buildin and conditiong is important in modern football - only someone without a clue of workings of the inner game would know that
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Post by allezlesrouges on Apr 12, 2019 19:13:10 GMT
"captain's should start. end of." - Players with leadership qualities should be on the field, and you should always have more than one leader within your squad. This doesn't mean that the squad captain should always start. As evidenced against Slovakia where the lack of Ashley Williams didn't have a negative impact on our performance because we had other leaders to step in. What I said wasn't a cliché. I've seen loads of players who have tried to play on through injuries because of their own pride/not wanting to "look weak", and they've ended up with career ending injuries as a result. All these people I've spoken to regret doing this immensely and realise now how stupid it was. It's not a clever thing to do. Also, I have a Master's degree in Psychology and currently work within the field, so you've picked the wrong person to aim that comment at fella. Trust me when I say you really need to do more reading on the subject of Psychology before you make comments like the ones you have made in this thread, otherwise you end up looking a bit silly. you've "seen loads of players who have tried to play on through injuries because of their own pride/not wanting to "look weak", and they've ended up with career ending injuries as a result" if you've seen so many then, name 8 players?? "Also, I have a Master's degree in Psychology and currently work within the field, so you've picked the wrong person to aim that comment at fella." your nan writing "master degree" on a piece of bog roll doesn't mean your a master in a subject my boy. I have the best psychological degree the world can give you. war. Lmao you must be a troll. Either way this post made me laugh out loud.
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Post by donttakemehomebutt - Lobsy on Apr 12, 2019 19:30:13 GMT
you've "seen loads of players who have tried to play on through injuries because of their own pride/not wanting to "look weak", and they've ended up with career ending injuries as a result" if you've seen so many then, name 8 players?? "Also, I have a Master's degree in Psychology and currently work within the field, so you've picked the wrong person to aim that comment at fella." your nan writing "master degree" on a piece of bog roll doesn't mean your a master in a subject my boy. I have the best psychological degree the world can give you. war. Lmao you must be a troll. Either way this post made me laugh out loud. troll? why? because I'm a former solider? or because i think not showing your opponent you are injured is actually comendable? he's trying to troll me. I'm just being a realist. im not the one talking about fancy educations looking down my nose at people
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Post by allezlesrouges on Apr 12, 2019 23:02:31 GMT
Lmao you must be a troll. Either way this post made me laugh out loud. troll? why? because I'm a former solider? or because i think not showing your opponent you are injured is actually comendable? he's trying to troll me. I'm just being a realist. im not the one talking about fancy educations looking down my nose at people I don't look down my nose at anyone pal. You were actually the one looking down your nose by telling me to go and read a book in the first place. It just backfired on you that it's something I've spent 4 years studying, and now you look a bit silly.
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Post by CrackityJones on Apr 13, 2019 13:27:07 GMT
Ash starts. Hopefully he keeps his place for the rest of the season ready for June.
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Post by manulike on Apr 13, 2019 16:05:15 GMT
Ash starts. Hopefully he keeps his place for the rest of the season ready for June. Got an assist for Vokes' goal
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Post by welshiron on Apr 14, 2019 16:26:49 GMT
If ash has a run of games then he starts in Croatia. If not I wouldn't start him
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Post by robin1864 on Apr 14, 2019 18:05:48 GMT
If ash has a run of games then he starts in Croatia. If not I wouldn't start him Wouldn't start him regardless, Croatia have some serious pace and power going forward in Perisic, Vlasic, Brekalo and Rebic. His experience is appreciated, but they'll run him ragged and give the rest of us arrhythmia.
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Post by alarch on Apr 14, 2019 19:03:25 GMT
When Stoke went down to 9 men against Swansea Williams went to right back - up against James. On the face of it a suicidal move by Nathan Jones, but he actually did a far better job than Tom Edwards did. Not only that, but with the score at 2-1 he bombed down the right and delivered an excellent cross in to the box that Swansea only just managed to clear. Apparently his assist yesterday was also from a cross from the right. If playing as a right back doesn't get him match fit I don't know what will. If he continues to get regular game time between now and the end of the season he should start the Croatia match.
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Post by CrackityJones on Apr 14, 2019 21:07:05 GMT
Thanks for that, would never have known he played right back in that match otherwise. Sounds like he did a decent job as well....ahead of Gunter in the pecking order? ;-)
Seems like there's plenty of life left in not so old Ash just yet.
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Post by alarch on Apr 14, 2019 22:29:25 GMT
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Post by manulike on Apr 14, 2019 22:44:54 GMT
Considering Stoke were reported to be very interested in Vaulks already, that performance from him must have really got their attention again ;-)
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Post by welwyn on Apr 15, 2019 7:49:53 GMT
Considering Stoke were reported to be very interested in Vaulks already, that performance from him must have really got their attention again ;-) Wondering whether Jones will play him at the base of the diamond next season or as one of the central 2.
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Post by welshiron on Apr 15, 2019 9:55:27 GMT
William's wont be at Stoke next season
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Post by donttakemehomebutt - Lobsy on Apr 16, 2019 14:53:59 GMT
William's wont be at Stoke next season how do you know this? another one of your "connections" within the game?
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Apr 16, 2019 15:14:24 GMT
I think Ashley's past his sell-by date. He would do well to hang up his boots after the home friendly with Belarus in September, where he should be given a grand farewell. We are grateful to him for all his efforts in the red shirt, especially the dynamic way in which he led us at Euro 2016 but we now have younger, quicker defenders who need to take over. It's the way of the world. Thanks for everything, Ash.
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Post by welshiron on Apr 16, 2019 16:10:09 GMT
William's wont be at Stoke next season how do you know this? another one of your "connections" within the game? When have I said I have connections you idiot He is currently on loan not starting regularly and on a big wage. Not rocket science I also heard from a contact that there were not enough weights in the gym for him
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Post by CrackityJones on Apr 22, 2019 15:12:40 GMT
Scores for Stoke!
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Post by manulike on Apr 22, 2019 16:31:06 GMT
He had an assist last week as well! Played the full 90' for the last 4 matches, which is wonderful news. Can't see him lasting 2x90 in June, but 90+60 would be great ;-)
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Post by manulike on Apr 27, 2019 14:29:57 GMT
Another 90' and a MAN OF THE MATCH performance.
ASH IS BACK
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Post by pendragon on Apr 28, 2019 16:56:15 GMT
I think Ashley's past his sell-by date. He would do well to hang up his boots after the home friendly with Belarus in September, where he should be given a grand farewell. We are grateful to him for all his efforts in the red shirt, especially the dynamic way in which he led us at Euro 2016 but we now have younger, quicker defenders who need to take over. It's the way of the world. Thanks for everything, Ash. 😄 I think that's just a bit dramatic and a tad premature lol...
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Post by manulike on Apr 28, 2019 20:53:45 GMT
I think Ashley's past his sell-by date. He would do well to hang up his boots after the home friendly with Belarus in September, where he should be given a grand farewell. We are grateful to him for all his efforts in the red shirt, especially the dynamic way in which he led us at Euro 2016 but we now have younger, quicker defenders who need to take over. It's the way of the world. Thanks for everything, Ash. 😄 I think that's just a bit dramatic and a tad premature lol... The only Welsh player in the Championship's Player of the Week ;-)
#Ash.Is.Back
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Post by biwmares on Apr 29, 2019 19:47:08 GMT
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