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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 10:49:04 GMT
He will be at his most valuable after the transfer window, as a free agent off the back of a good Euros a club in desperate straits will probably take a gamble on him. He probably had some decent offers immediately after the Euros and pushed his luck hoping for better and the initial interest died off.
My prediction is that he will end up at Sunderland on a years contract once the transfer window closes, the chairman there doesn't seem to want to spend any money to the point they are playing kids so they will be looking for as many experienced pros costing next to nothing that they can get. Even so I think we will still be a squad player for them- Defoe is a guaranteed starter and he will be back up for Borini.
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Post by squatter1 on Aug 23, 2016 11:16:27 GMT
He will be at his most valuable after the transfer window, as a free agent off the back of a good Euros a club in desperate straits will probably take a gamble on him. He probably had some decent offers immediately after the Euros and pushed his luck hoping for better and the initial interest died off. My prediction is that he will end up at Sunderland on a years contract once the transfer window closes, the chairman there doesn't seem to want to spend any money to the point they are playing kids so they will be looking for as many experienced pros costing next to nothing that they can get. Even so I think we will still be a squad player for them- Defoe is a guaranteed starter and he will be back up for Borini. Sunderland could be a good shout. I could see Hull bringing him in for a year given the state their squad is in (results notwithstanding). But basically, I don't think anyone's fooled by his performances in the Euros - he's not an EPL standard player, and I still imagine a move abroad or to the championship is more likely.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 11:41:15 GMT
He will be at his most valuable after the transfer window, as a free agent off the back of a good Euros a club in desperate straits will probably take a gamble on him. He probably had some decent offers immediately after the Euros and pushed his luck hoping for better and the initial interest died off. My prediction is that he will end up at Sunderland on a years contract once the transfer window closes, the chairman there doesn't seem to want to spend any money to the point they are playing kids so they will be looking for as many experienced pros costing next to nothing that they can get. Even so I think we will still be a squad player for them- Defoe is a guaranteed starter and he will be back up for Borini. Sunderland could be a good shout. I could see Hull bringing him in for a year given the state their squad is in (results notwithstanding). But basically, I don't think anyone's fooled by his performances in the Euros - he's not an EPL standard player, and I still imagine a move abroad or to the championship is more likely. I don't normally buy into the crap that gets spouted on here about prejudices against Welsh players but even though I agree with you (like the use of the word 'fooled' ) that he isn't ostensibly a top tier player, I can't help but think if he was English someone would have taken a punt on him as a free agent. Or if he was Eastern European or whatever (admittedly if that was the case he would most likely at least have a decent first touch which would make him a far more attractive proposition). What I am trying to say is that over the years we have seen some really dodgy players get bought off the back of a surprise showing at the Euros (occasionally for big money) none more so than Karel Poborsky who like HRK made his name off a unique showpiece goal. So I am really surprised that a top flight club hasn't made him an offer he couldn't refuse especially bearing in mind that all he will cost is a signing on fee. Or it could be the case that they have and he held out thinking that Man United would come in with a last minute offer, in which case more fool him, unfortunately. I recall that gif on Twitter following the Belgium game that depicted a scene from a film with a guy on a phone with the caption 'SHOW ME THE MONEY', making parallels with HRK's agent in the wake of his goal. How the landscape seems to have changed!
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Post by manulike on Aug 23, 2016 21:53:57 GMT
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Post by cymroircarn on Aug 24, 2016 6:32:26 GMT
West Brom anyone?
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Post by bale-droed on Aug 24, 2016 7:45:51 GMT
I think he's Celtic bound...
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Post by welshiron on Aug 24, 2016 7:50:22 GMT
Hull
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Post by welshiron on Aug 24, 2016 7:52:25 GMT
We won't know until after the deadline has finished, think he is waiting to see who have failed to get what they want in the transfer window and possibly get a better contract as a result. Dangerous game though.
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Post by cymroircarn on Aug 31, 2016 14:55:24 GMT
Looks like I may have been right on this one :-)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2016 15:36:16 GMT
Looks like I may have been right on this one :-) I think I feel a bit sorry for the West Brom fans on this one, I have to say! Not sure HRK is what they need and I am not sure it is the right move for him for a number of reasons. Look what happened to Chester when he went there.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Aug 31, 2016 15:37:24 GMT
Looks like I may have been right on this one :-) I think I feel a bit sorry for the West Brom fans on this one, I have to say! Not sure HRK is what they need and I am not sure it is the right move for him for a number of reasons. Look what happened to Chester when he went there. HRK isn't even Premier League level in my eyes. Were the rumours of big money offers from China true? He should've taken that.
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Post by hookd on Aug 31, 2016 17:06:11 GMT
Goodness you so called fans are something else. So many fantasy posts about the likes of George Williams, Joniesta, etc being so special despite doing NOTHING and we have a midfield player playing a centre forward role for us brilliantly and scoring critical goals at key moments and you ridicule him! Scotland away to get the winner when we still had a chance of qualifying, the second goal against Cyprus, the winner versus Slovakia and the decisive goal versus Belgium. Only Bale and Ramsey are ahead of him in terms of key moments and he ALWAYS gives 100% for us. A lot of players in the Premier League are worse than him and fail to step up when a moment comes there way. I REALLY HOPE HE DOES NOT READ THE DEMOTIVATING nonsense one these chats about him. Seriously imagine how our campaign may have panned out without him, with all our quality in form forward alternatives.
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Post by llan123 on Aug 31, 2016 17:33:47 GMT
Goodness you so called fans are something else. So many fantasy posts about the likes of George Williams, Joniesta, etc being so special despite doing NOTHING and we have a midfield player playing a centre forward role for us brilliantly and scoring critical goals at key moments and you ridicule him! Scotland away to get the winner when we still had a chance of qualifying, the second goal against Cyprus, the winner versus Slovakia and the decisive goal versus Belgium. Only Bale and Ramsey are ahead of him in terms of key moments and he ALWAYS gives 100% for us. A lot of players in the Premier League are worse than him and fail to step up when a moment comes there way. I REALLY HOPE HE DOES NOT READ THE DEMOTIVATING nonsense one these chats about him. Seriously imagine how our campaign may have panned out without him, with all our quality in form forward alternatives. Quality for Wales and that is testament to Coleman getting the best out of him. His other crowning achievement was that hot streak in the Premier League he had with Reading, he's a big game player which is pretty useless to a team that need consistency. His scoring record in the Championship is pretty abysmal and the Reading fan I know was always slating him. I don't see the point in bigging up players because they are Welsh, it's better to be honest. HRK is not PL level but WBA have taken a punt on him so I wish him all the best.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2016 19:56:20 GMT
Goodness you so called fans are something else. So many fantasy posts about the likes of George Williams, Joniesta, etc being so special despite doing NOTHING and we have a midfield player playing a centre forward role for us brilliantly and scoring critical goals at key moments and you ridicule him! Scotland away to get the winner when we still had a chance of qualifying, the second goal against Cyprus, the winner versus Slovakia and the decisive goal versus Belgium. Only Bale and Ramsey are ahead of him in terms of key moments and he ALWAYS gives 100% for us. A lot of players in the Premier League are worse than him and fail to step up when a moment comes there way. I REALLY HOPE HE DOES NOT READ THE DEMOTIVATING nonsense one these chats about him. Seriously imagine how our campaign may have panned out without him, with all our quality in form forward alternatives. Quality for Wales and that is testament to Coleman getting the best out of him. His other crowning achievement was that hot streak in the Premier League he had with Reading, he's a big game player which is pretty useless to a team that need consistency. His scoring record in the Championship is pretty abysmal and the Reading fan I know was always slating him. I don't see the point in bigging up players because they are Welsh, it's better to be honest. HRK is not PL level but WBA have taken a punt on him so I wish him all the best. Exactly! Christ, precious or what.... He has done well at key times for Wales but that doesn't make him a good player I'm sorry to say. I think most prem managers can see this seeing as to how he is still without a club at the 11th hour. Good luck to him but I'm not convinced a prem move is going to be the best move for his development because I can"t see him playing every week and he needs to show that he can produce that cruyff turn every week at club level.
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Post by abwales on Aug 31, 2016 21:45:05 GMT
Desperation from both sides in this transfer. WBA desperate for a third-choice striker, HRK desperate for a move to a premier league. Odds are its going to fail miserably for HRK but who knows.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2016 22:34:19 GMT
Desperation from both sides in this transfer. WBA desperate for a third-choice striker, HRK desperate for a move to a premier league. Odds are its going to fail miserably for HRK but who knows. HRK will think he has done well. Lambert out one door, HRK in through the other and for WBA fans its like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Good luck to HRK, I've got everything crossed that he plays a full part in WBA's season but I won't be holding my breath.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2016 22:39:08 GMT
Goodness you so called fans are something else. So many fantasy posts about the likes of George Williams, Joniesta, etc being so special despite doing NOTHING and we have a midfield player playing a centre forward role for us brilliantly and scoring critical goals at key moments and you ridicule him! Scotland away to get the winner when we still had a chance of qualifying, the second goal against Cyprus, the winner versus Slovakia and the decisive goal versus Belgium. Only Bale and Ramsey are ahead of him in terms of key moments and he ALWAYS gives 100% for us. A lot of players in the Premier League are worse than him and fail to step up when a moment comes there way. I REALLY HOPE HE DOES NOT READ THE DEMOTIVATING nonsense one these chats about him. Seriously imagine how our campaign may have panned out without him, with all our quality in form forward alternatives. Okay, whatever you do don't read the West Brom forum! If you think we are being negative you should read what they are saying about HRK, it will turn the air blue. He will have his work cut out winning that lot over from the minute he gets on the pitch. They think HRK is lower Championship- even I think that is a bit harsh!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2016 0:10:25 GMT
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Post by ae15 on Sept 1, 2016 0:17:19 GMT
Hal is an incredibly important player for us and the third most likely to do something special for us. I went to see him at Reading an awful lot over the last two seasons and I actually wouldn't say he was inconsistent. In fact, I think there's a lot of consistency. When he played under Steve Clarke he played on the left and wasn't too impressive. When he played under Brian McDermott he played on the right and played very well, performing to his Premier League standards (where he played on the right)almost every game. Certainly Reading's most dangerous player once Blackman had left. West Brom is a good move for him in my opinion. Rondon is a very poor player and nowhere near Premier League quality. In my opinion, it won't take much for Hal to get above him. We'll have to see what happens with Berahino. If he's still sulking on the sideline after once again not getting his big move (which, to be fair to him, he has been cruelly denied), then Hal may end up being first choice 9. He should get more service now with some more attacking full backs being brought in with Nyom and Galloway. I would have rathered Hull or Swansea but the Baggies will do.
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Post by squatter1 on Sept 1, 2016 8:28:58 GMT
Hal is an incredibly important player for us and the third most likely to do something special for us. I went to see him at Reading an awful lot over the last two seasons and I actually wouldn't say he was inconsistent. In fact, I think there's a lot of consistency. When he played under Steve Clarke he played on the left and wasn't too impressive. When he played under Brian McDermott he played on the right and played very well, performing to his Premier League standards (where he played on the right)almost every game. Certainly Reading's most dangerous player once Blackman had left. West Brom is a good move for him in my opinion. Rondon is a very poor player and nowhere near Premier League quality. In my opinion, it won't take much for Hal to get above him. We'll have to see what happens with Berahino. If he's still sulking on the sideline after once again not getting his big move (which, to be fair to him, he has been cruelly denied), then Hal may end up being first choice 9. He should get more service now with some more attacking full backs being brought in with Nyom and Galloway. I would have rathered Hull or Swansea but the Baggies will do. HRK better than Rondon? Get real. Rondon is one year younger than HRK yet Malaga spent £3m on him, then Rubén Kazan spent £8m on him, then Zenit spent £15m, then WBA spent £13m. So, by age 26 expert football professionals at the highest levels have spent nearly £40m on transfer fees for Rondon. At 1 year older, 27, HRK's combined transfer fees? £0. I don't think there are many in the football world who agree with you on the Rondon v HRK debate, sadly.
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Post by welshiron on Sept 1, 2016 8:39:44 GMT
Personally I think HRK has been lucky to get a premiership club. Whilst he does a great job for us his first touch is atrocious
I very much doubt he will start games for WBA especially up front (does Pulis know he's not very tall?) but I do think he will get plenty of game time over the next 2 months (either wide or of the bench)
The first few months will be especially vital as expectations of his ability are possibly going to be higher than what he can deliver.
Massive opportunity at an established EPL club will he deliver, I hope so but have my doubts.
As for the Rondon debate, hard to disagree with the post by Squatter
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Post by dai on Sept 1, 2016 8:50:17 GMT
Just been reading the westbrom.com forum.....oh dear!
Doesn't suprise me though, they wanted a high end striker, and HRK, who is really a winger with a poor goalscoring record was never going to win them over.
We'll just have to wait and see if he does cut it. This is his last chance at top level now, so he'll need to work hard to make the most of it. Never too late though.
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Post by richierich333 on Sept 1, 2016 9:30:31 GMT
Goodness you so called fans are something else. So many fantasy posts about the likes of George Williams, Joniesta, etc being so special despite doing NOTHING and we have a midfield player playing a centre forward role for us brilliantly and scoring critical goals at key moments and you ridicule him! Scotland away to get the winner when we still had a chance of qualifying, the second goal against Cyprus, the winner versus Slovakia and the decisive goal versus Belgium. Only Bale and Ramsey are ahead of him in terms of key moments and he ALWAYS gives 100% for us. A lot of players in the Premier League are worse than him and fail to step up when a moment comes there way. I REALLY HOPE HE DOES NOT READ THE DEMOTIVATING nonsense one these chats about him. Seriously imagine how our campaign may have panned out without him, with all our quality in form forward alternatives. I didn't see any of our guys actually slate him the way you have made out here. The worst one I saw (if you can call it that) is that he's not quite Premier league level which, if we are brutally honest, has a case. He's done well for us and everyone has mentioned that but he has almost certainly been overhyped since that goal. Not critical just an observation and If he was playing for any other country you too would probably agree with the comments made on here about his level.
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Post by phillygaz on Sept 1, 2016 9:56:44 GMT
West Brom are light up front. He'll get chances in the team so it'll be up to him to have an impact.
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Post by ae15 on Sept 1, 2016 12:04:48 GMT
Clearly Rondon has more pedigree but he hardly makes a big impact in the games he plays. He scored 9 goals in the league last season and that's not brilliant for a man leading the line on his own in most games. If Hal turns up and looks dangerous off the bench and scores a couple of goals he'll be in the team before too long.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2016 12:43:00 GMT
Clearly Rondon has more pedigree but he hardly makes a big impact in the games he plays. He scored 9 goals in the league last season and that's not brilliant for a man leading the line on his own in most games. If Hal turns up and looks dangerous off the bench and scores a couple of goals he'll be in the team before too long. I would say 9 goals in a Pulis side is very good going actually. I recall Rondon scored a sensational goal where his technique far surpassed anything I have seen from HRK, even allowing for his turn against Belgium. HRK has got his work cut out to make himself a first team player make no mistake about that. That being said Rondon may not be his competition- he might be played in more of a wing forward role in a 4-3-3/4-5-1
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Post by llan123 on Sept 1, 2016 12:53:26 GMT
Clearly Rondon has more pedigree but he hardly makes a big impact in the games he plays. He scored 9 goals in the league last season and that's not brilliant for a man leading the line on his own in most games. If Hal turns up and looks dangerous off the bench and scores a couple of goals he'll be in the team before too long. On the flip side HRK has scored eight goals in three seasons at Reading in a lower division. It's not all about goals but that isn't a very inspiring return.
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Post by mrpicton79 on Sept 1, 2016 12:57:34 GMT
HRK better than Rondon? Get real. Rondon is one year younger than HRK yet Malaga spent £3m on him, then Rubén Kazan spent £8m on him, then Zenit spent £15m, then WBA spent £13m. So, by age 26 expert football professionals at the highest levels have spent nearly £40m on transfer fees for Rondon. At 1 year older, 27, HRK's combined transfer fees? £0. I don't think there are many in the football world who agree with you on the Rondon v HRK debate, sadly. It's not a pissing contest about how much you've fetched in transfer fees throughout your career. Technically Lionel Messi's combined career transfer fees amount to £0 too. Yes Rondón's rated higher but he hasn't set the premiership on fire, there'll be opportunities for Hal.
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Post by manulike on Sept 1, 2016 13:16:30 GMT
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Sept 2, 2016 5:25:04 GMT
Good luck to him, he must have been fed up of waiting form the likes of Madrid,munich,united or Milan coming in for him as few expecting ambit move after euros
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