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Post by welshiron on Oct 16, 2013 8:51:37 GMT
A great performance from him and does not deserve all the sniping.
He will never be world class but one thing we all want is for plays to turn up and do their best, can't think of many times he has been missing.
Yes he does go backwards a lot but has been told by managers to ensure we keep possession and he does that.
I feel with the experience he has we would be foolish to discard him and I will have no complaints if he plays in the next campaign. At present I do not see Matthews, Taylor and Richards being vastly superior to him.
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Post by alarch on Oct 16, 2013 9:20:26 GMT
Beg to differ. In my opinion Taylor, Richards and Matthews are all superior to Gunter at right back - in that order. Gunter could have a role off the bench, when we're chasing the game, and has proved himself worthwhile back-up at centre half. With that versatility, Gunter is worth a place on the bench for sure, but that should be as far as it goes, unless we're hit by injuries and suspensions.
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Post by llannerch on Oct 16, 2013 9:40:19 GMT
Taylor needs games, both for us and Swansea. That he might on paper be a better option at right back than Gunter is irrelevant. He has been way off his best in both recent games. Not dreadful, but not as good as he can be. If Ben Davies is our lb for years to come and we need to get Taylor in the side then rb is the only place he can play. Maybe left side midfield if we're away to offer solidity.
Matthews and Gunter are different players to my mind. Gunter is better defensively, Matthews is better offensively. In fact I'm not sure Matthews is a right back long term.
Richards' performance last night is the conundrum for me. He was great. Though how much of his performance was down to the Gunter's inside him? Richards should keep the shirt for Finland (Matthews won't be fit anyway). It is, after all, only one decent performance and he, too, isn't playing regularly at club level.
To temper the Gunter love-in a bit that is to my mind only the third time he's played centre back for us:
Mexico - dreadful Macedonia - hmm Belgium - colossus
He needs more games there to see if he is actually the centre back back-up we need if Collins and/or Williams are unavailable. Gabbidon is, for me, ahead of him in the centre back pecking order
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Post by welshiron on Oct 16, 2013 9:47:53 GMT
I agree with most of what you say Llanerch, however after a performance like that last night Gunter will be very unlucky not to play against Finland
Also away from home playing Taylor lefy midfield and Matthews right midfield might be an option as both are decent going forward and also know how to defend more than a Robson_kanu for example
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Post by llannerch on Nov 5, 2013 13:26:43 GMT
Gunter has missed only 9 of the 59 games Wales have played since he made his debut versus New Zealand. Impressive
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Post by matty on Nov 8, 2013 14:56:29 GMT
Gunter has missed only 9 of the 59 games Wales have played since he made his debut versus New Zealand. Impressive Fantastic stat. 85% of games played. Compare that to Giggs' 64 caps from a possible 117 up until he retired and he gets 55%.
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Post by llannerch on Nov 10, 2013 10:43:34 GMT
Gunter has missed only 9 of the 59 games Wales have played since he made his debut versus New Zealand. Impressive Actually that stat is even more impressive. He didn't play in the next 6 games after the NZ game: Czech Rep (h) Bulgaria (a) Germany (h) Slovakia (a) Cyprus (a) San marino (a) Which means he's missed 3 of the last 52 matches.
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Post by toshfan on Nov 11, 2013 12:46:49 GMT
I watched the first half of the Reading game against QPR on Saturday. Thought he was very good.
Though HRK looked good too but a colleague of mine who is a season ticket holder did not think much of HRK.
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Post by llannerch on Nov 11, 2013 13:53:58 GMT
Though HRK looked good too but a colleague of mine who is a season ticket holder did not think much of HRK. He does have a unique ability to polarise people's opinion of his performances.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 21:58:09 GMT
Though HRK looked good too but a colleague of mine who is a season ticket holder did not think much of HRK. He does have a unique ability to polarise people's opinion of his performances. Should he be in midfield Saturday?
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Post by llannerch on Nov 15, 2013 17:22:22 GMT
He's more mobile than Vokes so I wouldn't mind seeing him get a run up front on his own
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Post by Tim P on Nov 15, 2013 17:42:44 GMT
He's more mobile than Vokes so I wouldn't mind seeing him get a run up front on his own Is there much difference in pace? My impression of him has always been that he's fairly slow and could stand to lose a bit of weight. He certainly doesn't seem to have anything that would be approaching an explosive turn of pace.
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Post by welshiron on Nov 17, 2014 8:46:34 GMT
Another good performance from the much maligned Gunter.
We were much more solid down that side of the pitch and 90% of the danger came down our left side with Taylor getting skint a few times by Chadli and Hazard, his distribution was also on at least a par with Taylor as well
Maybe some on here don't realise the first role of a full back is to defend especially when away to a higher ranked team.
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Post by dai on Nov 17, 2014 9:12:31 GMT
This. I now hope that some people will stop constantly banging on about playing Taylor/Richards on the right instead.
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Post by Tim P on Nov 17, 2014 13:20:12 GMT
Gunter is the man in possession of the shirt and it'll stay that way until another RB emerges. Taylor was poor on the left so I shudder to imagine him on the right.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2014 13:22:16 GMT
Gunter is the man in possession of the shirt and it'll stay that way until another RB emerges. Taylor was poor on the left so I shudder to imagine him on the right. Taylor was poor and his place must be under threat.
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Post by Tim P on Nov 17, 2014 13:23:51 GMT
Gunter is the man in possession of the shirt and it'll stay that way until another RB emerges. Taylor was poor on the left so I shudder to imagine him on the right. He was poor and his place must be under threat. Taylor? Yeah. Right now Ben Davies is paying the price for not checking whether the manager of the club who signed him rated him / had ever heard of him.
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Post by alarch on Nov 17, 2014 14:07:03 GMT
Taylor poor. Really? Can't see that at all. Belgium attacked mainly down Taylor's side - but he coped admirably on the whole. Surprising tactics from the Belgian manager - because Hazard would have had more joy against Gunter.
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Post by dai on Nov 17, 2014 15:39:45 GMT
Taylor poor. Really? Can't see that at all. Belgium attacked mainly down Taylor's side - but he coped admirably on the whole. Surprising tactics from the Belgian manager - because Hazard would have had more joy against Gunter. I don't think he was poor either tbh. But in comparison to Ben Davies, he doesn't look as comfortable on the ball and seems to have a bit of a nervy streak about him. If he was playing regularly I'm sure we'd be seeing him starting over Taylor.
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Post by llannerch on Nov 17, 2014 18:05:30 GMT
Hazard has made better full backs than Taylor look worse than Taylor did last night. Criticism is unfair.
In fact it's odd that the team's defensive shape and effort gets the praise it did yet Gunter and Taylor get individual criticism. If they were as bad as some of the comments on social media make out they were we'd have shipped 3 or 4
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Post by ysbryd on Nov 17, 2014 19:33:05 GMT
Thought Gunter and Taylor looked good defensively last night. The sustained attacks by Belgium in the first half did not result in many crosses from open play.
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Post by reedy08 on Nov 17, 2014 19:37:40 GMT
Gunters bests game since the 0.0 away in Germany and taylors best game in a welsh jersey
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Post by abwales on Nov 17, 2014 22:42:24 GMT
Neither were bad enough to warrant anything more than small criticism. In my opinion it was both of their best games so far this campaign. Although as far as Taylor goes that's not saying very much...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 7:59:11 GMT
I love gunter his commitment to Wales is second to none,played really well on Sunday!
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Post by scoop76 on Nov 18, 2014 9:04:50 GMT
I love gunter his commitment to Wales is second to none,played really well on Sunday! Spot on! I get the impression Gunter is at the heart of the great atmosphere in the squad too. Must be great for him, having grown up in the Wales system alongside Bale, Ramsey and Hennessey, to see it now all starting to come together. I think that group of friends at the heart of the squad could be key to us grinding out results in the second half of the campaign.
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Post by welshiron on Nov 18, 2014 9:14:58 GMT
Taylor didn't have a bad game but the point I was making is that all the dangerous crosses came down his side and from Chadli as well as Hazard.
My point was that in every game of this campaign Gunter has been better than Taylor yet there are still people who want Gunter dropped and Taylor played at right back, some even would prefer Jazz Richards who has barely kicked a ball in 5 years.
Gunter is an integral part of the team and his experience is vital.
The choice to be made is at left back with not much to choose between Taylor, Davies and Dummett
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Post by llannerch on Nov 18, 2014 13:26:42 GMT
Coleman is remembering the different defensive combinations he played in the last qualifying campaign. Look at the centre halves alone:
Collins, Williams, Gabbidon, Blake, Gunter, James Wilson, Ricketts, Davies. 3 different keepers played. Chaos. He's made a call to go with Taylor, Gunter, Williams and Chester. He wants defensive stability, and continuity in selection - in squad terms as well hence Gabbidon and Ricketts over Lynch, Morgan, and youngsters like Walsh or Ray.
We can argue whether it should be Davies over Taylor, or Richards over Gunter but the bottom line is I hope the likes of Collins, Dummett are busting a gut when the squad gets together to win a place in the side. If they do, Coleman will back them if they perform. This is good management and selection principles.
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Post by gwernybwch on Nov 18, 2014 13:36:47 GMT
I love gunter his commitment to Wales is second to none,played really well on Sunday! Spot on! I get the impression Gunter is at the heart of the great atmosphere in the squad too. Must be great for him, having grown up in the Wales system alongside Bale, Ramsey and Hennessey, to see it now all starting to come together. I think that group of friends at the heart of the squad could be key to us grinding out results in the second half of the campaign. Same here! I get the impression that he brings something to the squad that isn't immediately obvious on the pitch. I can remember him hugging Coleman after the win in Andorra and was the first to go to the fans and throw his shirt over after the Belgium game. I think that he sees playing for Wales as a privilege and he is starting to impress this on the other players.
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Post by richierich333 on Nov 18, 2014 13:40:30 GMT
I hope a really classy right back just appears out of nowhere to complete an all Prem XI defence. Either that or Richards gets the shirt at Swansea if Rangel retires. Sorry but the only player who still makes me wince (like i used to do a lot in the 'dark days') is Gunter. Not a dig or personal, this is real.
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Post by cadno on Feb 20, 2016 18:33:30 GMT
Solid performance today. He's very careful and considerate with his decision making. Jazz on the bench for Fulham today.
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