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Post by cadno on Jan 27, 2019 20:38:21 GMT
He doesn't look out of place but he needs a run of games. Another solid performance but I can’t see him getting much more game time this season unfortunately. Question is, does that earn him a place in the starting 11 against Slovakia? Ideally he goes out on loan. Imo Ledley should start vs Slovakia, but he needs a few games before March too.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jan 27, 2019 21:21:55 GMT
He doesn't look out of place but he needs a run of games. Another solid performance but I can’t see him getting much more game time this season unfortunately. Question is, does that earn him a place in the starting 11 against Slovakia? 100% yes. The fact that he can perform at this level means he is a must for me. His lack of game time didn't stop him from being MOTM against Ireland, and I think the more time he gets for us the better he will become.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jan 27, 2019 21:23:18 GMT
Ampadu starts against Slovakia for me. Smith might get more minutes in between now and then, but the Dutch 2nd tier isn't overly testing. Ampadu possesses far more talent than Smith and Ledley.
I'd have him in midfield with Ramsey and Joe, with Wilson, Brooks and Bale causing havoc at the business end of the pitch.
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Post by cadno on Jan 27, 2019 21:29:41 GMT
Ampadu's talent is obvious but Ledley is far more experienced and knows what needs to be done to get a result against teams like Slovakia.
Joe Allen and our defenders have seriously missed having Ledley in the side IMO. He steadies the ship.
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Post by CrackityJones on Jan 27, 2019 21:51:21 GMT
Ledley is crocked mate, he's unlikely to be match fit or sharp enough.
Its between Ampadu and Smith to partner Allen. I'm 50/50 at the mo but would be happy if either start in March.
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Post by manulike on Jan 27, 2019 22:09:04 GMT
Ledley is crocked mate, he's unlikely to be match fit or sharp enough. Its between Ampadu and Smith to partner Allen. I'm 50/50 at the mo but would be happy if either start in March. Tend to agree with you there. Happy enough with them both. Can imagine its a close call between the two young guns, with Ampadu the better / more rounded player, but Matthew having much more match sharpness.
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Post by cadno on Jan 27, 2019 22:40:05 GMT
Ledley is crocked mate, he's unlikely to be match fit or sharp enough. Its between Ampadu and Smith to partner Allen. I'm 50/50 at the mo but would be happy if either start in March. Ledley is back training, could possibly get 7/8 games in before Slovakia... I'm not convinced Smith is quite ready to start games if we want to qualify but obvsiously I hope he proves me wrong if he does start.
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Post by welshiron on Jan 28, 2019 10:47:04 GMT
If fit Ampadu starts for me every time either in a back 3 or in midfield.
What players do we have that would get anywhere near that Chelsea team.
Plus the bonus is He is only 18.
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Post by 1gwaunview on Jan 28, 2019 10:57:12 GMT
For me the only thing that would keep Ampadu out of the starting X1 would be a lack of game time between now and March. Another season of so few appearances for Chelsea and he should search for pastures new. He wont improve unless he gets game time, and the current situation is only hampering his development. He's big and strong enough to cope with more games now.
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Post by kingstonred on Jan 28, 2019 11:28:12 GMT
I personally think he's fine where he is. He's only 18 don't forget!
Let's hope Chelsea don't sign a Fabregas replacement, and he gets a bit more game time in the second half of the season.
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Post by iot on Jan 28, 2019 11:35:31 GMT
I personally think he's fine where he is. He's only 18 don't forget! Let's hope Chelsea don't sign a Fabregas replacement, and he gets a bit more game time in the second half of the season. He's fine where he is for his development. But selfishly for a Wales fan, we need him ready and sharp to impact our euros campaign over these next few months - that could be the difference between us qualifying or not.
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Post by kingstonred on Jan 28, 2019 12:00:39 GMT
I personally think he's fine where he is. He's only 18 don't forget! Let's hope Chelsea don't sign a Fabregas replacement, and he gets a bit more game time in the second half of the season. He's fine where he is for his development. But selfishly for a Wales fan, we need him ready and sharp to impact our euros campaign over these next few months - that could be the difference between us qualifying or not. Totally agree but there is always the possibility a loan move could turn out like Woodburn's to Sheffield Utd. Grass isn't always greener. You'd rather he was making the bench for Chelsea every week, than being on the bench for a Championship side.
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Post by iot on Jan 28, 2019 12:22:14 GMT
He's fine where he is for his development. But selfishly for a Wales fan, we need him ready and sharp to impact our euros campaign over these next few months - that could be the difference between us qualifying or not. Totally agree but there is always the possibility a loan move could turn out like Woodburn's to Sheffield Utd. Grass isn't always greener. You'd rather he was making the bench for Chelsea every week, than being on the bench for a Championship side. I couldn't see that happening personally. I believe Ampadu is a premiership standard player right now and would start in all the champ teams. I would certainly not have said the same of Woodburn even before his loan.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jan 28, 2019 14:42:07 GMT
For me the only thing that would keep Ampadu out of the starting X1 would be a lack of game time between now and March. Another season of so few appearances for Chelsea and he should search for pastures new. He wont improve unless he gets game time, and the current situation is only hampering his development. He's big and strong enough to cope with more games now. Are you suggesting that Ampadu hasn't improved since joining Chelsea?
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Post by 1gwaunview on Jan 28, 2019 15:42:35 GMT
For me the only thing that would keep Ampadu out of the starting X1 would be a lack of game time between now and March. Another season of so few appearances for Chelsea and he should search for pastures new. He wont improve unless he gets game time, and the current situation is only hampering his development. He's big and strong enough to cope with more games now. Are you suggesting that Ampadu hasn't improved since joining Chelsea? Not exactly, but in my opinion for what it's worth, a lack of first team games will stifle his development, and to some extent I think he's stagnated this season. He was caught out a couple of times in the Denmark games which led to goals and there's the penalty as well (although a very soft decision, and I don't blame him for that). I think he'll be a top notch player before long given the opportunities.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jan 28, 2019 16:05:06 GMT
Are you suggesting that Ampadu hasn't improved since joining Chelsea? Not exactly, but in my opinion for what it's worth, a lack of first team games will stifle his development, and to some extent I think he's stagnated this season. He was caught out a couple of times in the Denmark games which led to goals and there's the penalty as well (although a very soft decision, and I don't blame him for that). I think he'll be a top notch player before long given the opportunities. I understand what you are saying. I think for me until a player has transitioned and matured physically into a senior professional it isn't absolutely essential that they get game time. It's definitely important that they have at least some games to get used to the difference between junior and senior football. Playing week in week out at a young age can be a gift and a curse. Take Rooney for example. Played every week from the age of 16, but burned out shortly after turning 30. If Ethan was 21/22 and still hadn't played many games I think we'd be in agreement that he would need more games. I'm not sure 46 games in the Championship at the age of 18 would necessarily be completely beneficial to him for example. I definitely think the odd game here and there alongside the likes of Hazard/Higuain/Willian etc... will be extremely beneficial to him, and will help atune him to the very top level of football.
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Post by iot on Jan 28, 2019 16:23:30 GMT
Not exactly, but in my opinion for what it's worth, a lack of first team games will stifle his development, and to some extent I think he's stagnated this season. He was caught out a couple of times in the Denmark games which led to goals and there's the penalty as well (although a very soft decision, and I don't blame him for that). I think he'll be a top notch player before long given the opportunities. I understand what you are saying. I think for me until a player has transitioned and matured physically into a senior professional it isn't absolutely essential that they get game time. It's definitely important that they have at least some games to get used to the difference between junior and senior football. Playing week in week out at a young age can be a gift and a curse. Take Rooney for example. Played every week from the age of 16, but burned out shortly after turning 30. If Ethan was 21/22 and still hadn't played many games I think we'd be in agreement that he would need more games. I'm not sure 46 games in the Championship at the age of 18 would necessarily be completely beneficial to him for example. I definitely think the odd game here and there alongside the likes of Hazard/Higuain/Willian etc... will be extremely beneficial to him, and will help atune him to the very top level of football. Again, while the current situation may be beneficial in the long-term (although I tend to agree that he does seem to have stagnated slightly if some recent performances are anything to go by), but we need him now. Ledley's not the player he was, has been hampered with injuries and isn't featuring in Derby squads (despite apparently being back to full training). So we need someone right away to fill the Ledley shaped hole. Ampadu's the best bet, but some of his recent games for us suggests he's lacking sharpness. Therefore, a loan would clearly be more beneficial for us
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Post by alarch on Jan 29, 2019 15:37:28 GMT
Sarri in his latest press conference is saying he wants another signing to replace Fabregas. Then on Ampadu he said "He didn't play very well in that position, but I think that he's very young, it's a new position..." Not exactly a glowing assessment - although obviously he's painted a bleak picture intentionally with the club hierarchy as the targeted audience. If a player does come in to replace Fabregas there could be a last minute loan deal for Ampadu.
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Post by cadno on Jan 29, 2019 16:32:43 GMT
Sarri in his latest press conference is saying he wants another signing to replace Fabregas. Then on Ampadu he said "He didn't play very well in that position, but I think that he's very young, it's a new position..." Not exactly a glowing assessment - although obviously he's painted a bleak picture intentionally with the club hierarchy as the targeted audience. If a player does come in to replace Fabregas there could be a last minute loan deal for Ampadu. Ampadu / Smith are a hell of a lot riskier than playing Ledley or King alongside Allen. If Ampadu goes out on loan and gets a few games under his belt then I'll be less worried about him starting in March. Ledley is our most underrated player imo.
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Post by CrackityJones on Jan 29, 2019 17:18:44 GMT
Ledley hasn't kicked a ball in how long? I can see the value in his experience but what good is that if he's not match fit or game sharp? He's not even guaranteed to get in a Derby side that's playing very well without him so why should he get straight in the Wales team?
Anyway, keeping on topic, unfortunately Ampadu is prone to the odd lapse as we saw in the Nations League and his lack of game time probably hasn't helped this. That's why I'm now leaning slightly toward Smith starting in March as I expect him to have further improved on his Autumn performances due to playing every week.
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Post by barry on Jan 29, 2019 19:24:30 GMT
Ledley hasn't kicked a ball in how long? I can see the value in his experience but what good is that if he's not match fit or game sharp? He's not even guaranteed to get in a Derby side that's playing very well without him so why should he get straight in the Wales team? Anyway, keeping on topic, unfortunately Ampadu is prone to the odd lapse as we saw in the Nations League and his lack of game time probably hasn't helped this. That's why I'm now leaning slightly toward Smith starting in March as I expect him to have further improved on his Autumn performances due to playing every week. Agree. Been mightily impressed with Smith when I've seen him play for Wales. And all that game time would put him ahead of Ampadu for me.
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Post by welshiron on Jan 30, 2019 13:50:10 GMT
Think Ampadu is streets ahead of Smith
Smith is playing at a level equivalent of league 1 or 2.
Ampadu is in and around the team of one of the best clubs in Europe.
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Post by cadno on Jan 30, 2019 15:31:14 GMT
I can see Ledley getting at least 5 or 6 games in before March, that's enough for him to start for me. Slovakia is a must win imo, and Ledley is more reliable than Ampadu or Smith atm.
Ledley cuts Allen's work in half, allowing him to shine. But Allen has to work harder when it's one of the inexperienced youngsters alongside him.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jan 30, 2019 15:33:37 GMT
I could see this being an interesting poll.
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Jan 30, 2019 15:52:27 GMT
I can see Ledley getting at least 5 or 6 games in before March, that's enough for him to start for me. Slovakia is a must win imo, and Ledley is more reliable than Ampadu or Smith atm. Ledley cuts Allen's work in half, allowing him to shine. But Allen has to work harder when it's one of the inexperienced youngsters alongside him. i expect him to make bench on friday night but not been near it yet let alone 5-6 games before march
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Post by iot on Jan 30, 2019 16:49:37 GMT
I can see Ledley getting at least 5 or 6 games in before March, that's enough for him to start for me. Slovakia is a must win imo, and Ledley is more reliable than Ampadu or Smith atm. Ledley cuts Allen's work in half, allowing him to shine. But Allen has to work harder when it's one of the inexperienced youngsters alongside him. Sorry, but I think you're wide of the mark on this one. If he's fully fit and playing regularly, I'd agree. But There's no way he will start 5/6 games before slovakia. He wasn't even a first choice player when fit, so he's not going to go straight into the first team when he's just come back from a serious injury and while derby are doing so well. I can't see him getting more than a couple of sub appearances, which isn't enough in my view.
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Post by cadno on Jan 30, 2019 17:18:01 GMT
I can see Ledley getting at least 5 or 6 games in before March, that's enough for him to start for me. Slovakia is a must win imo, and Ledley is more reliable than Ampadu or Smith atm. Ledley cuts Allen's work in half, allowing him to shine. But Allen has to work harder when it's one of the inexperienced youngsters alongside him. Sorry, but I think you're wide of the mark on this one. If he's fully fit and playing regularly, I'd agree. But There's no way he will start 5/6 games before slovakia. He wasn't even a first choice player when fit, so he's not going to go straight into the first team when he's just come back from a serious injury and while derby are doing so well. I can't see him getting more than a couple of sub appearances, which isn't enough in my view. If you're right, that will be disappointing, but even if it's just a few sub appearances, I'd rather see him start. King, Smith or Ampadu can come on for him when he starts to get tired.
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Post by manulike on Jan 30, 2019 20:24:41 GMT
With all the love in the world for King and Joe - Smith is playing week in and week out. For me, he is a starter, unless Ampadu shows magic in the training camp when the team get together.
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Post by pendragon on Feb 2, 2019 0:55:04 GMT
Based on what I've seen so far, I think Ampadu has the potential to go very, very far. He's got such grace and pace on the ball and he's very technical. It's a difficult one for me because in terms of ability and sheer talent, he pips Smith. But in terms of experience right now, I'd probably go for Smith. He's improved a great deal over the last few months, and barring one near-miss for us out in Dublin, I thought he was pretty impressive for us. Ethan really needs game time, but he's young.
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Post by CrackityJones on Feb 22, 2019 10:57:58 GMT
Chelsea have been slapped with a two window transfer ban. Naughty boys.
Young Ethan may well get some game time next season. Don't hold your breath though.
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