|
Post by robin1864 on Apr 4, 2019 4:19:21 GMT
By the way I do know the vast majority of Wrexham fans would be against this. As for a ceiling there is a ceiling in all football. Where do man city go next? City can go to infinity and beyond, there's no glass ceiling above them in the English system. They went from being a mid table side to European elite in 10 years. TNS on the other hand are sponsored by local companies, kept alive by a rich man's ego and will only ever go to drab Baltic countries for a European pre-pre qualification round, where they get torn apart on aggregate every year. For all their "success" over the past 15 years, their profile hasn't risen above being a popular Jeff Stelling joke. The WPL might be an option for smaller towns in the arse end of Wales, struggling clubs and perhaps for reserve teams of the big boys, but it's not for a club as historied as Wrexham.
|
|
|
Wrexham
Apr 4, 2019 7:02:50 GMT
via mobile
Post by welshiron on Apr 4, 2019 7:02:50 GMT
By the way I do know the vast majority of Wrexham fans would be against this. As for a ceiling there is a ceiling in all football. Where do man city go next? City can go to infinity and beyond, there's no glass ceiling above them in the English system. They went from being a mid table side to European elite in 10 years. TNS on the other hand are sponsored by local companies, kept alive by a rich man's ego and will only ever go to drab Baltic countries for a European pre-pre qualification round, where they get torn apart on aggregate every year. For all their "success" over the past 15 years, their profile hasn't risen above being a popular Jeff Stelling joke. The WPL might be an option for smaller towns in the arse end of Wales, struggling clubs and perhaps for reserve teams of the big boys, but it's not for a club as historied as Wrexham. Arrogance beyond belief Arse end of Wales to be fair my team is in the second tier but is a far nicer place than Wrexham. I can imagine all the places you visit in England are beautiful and welcoming and feel like utopia. Also please explain this infinity Man City can go to? They win the league and go into the champions league. Same as TNS. I bet you are someone who slags off England at every chance yet you would rather take the footballing crumbs from their table than play in your national league. You may even want an independent Wales but not at the cost of visits to Havant and Braintree. You assume all the sponsors will drop off, how do you know that. Companies like to support a winning team and a run in Europe would raise that profile more than a fa cup run. Yes crowds might drop but would come back as again people like to watch a winning team.
|
|
|
Post by richierich333 on Apr 4, 2019 7:28:21 GMT
By the way I do know the vast majority of Wrexham fans would be against this. As for a ceiling there is a ceiling in all football. Where do man city go next? City can go to infinity and beyond, there's no glass ceiling above them in the English system. They went from being a mid table side to European elite in 10 years. TNS on the other hand are sponsored by local companies, kept alive by a rich man's ego and will only ever go to drab Baltic countries for a European pre-pre qualification round, where they get torn apart on aggregate every year. For all their "success" over the past 15 years, their profile hasn't risen above being a popular Jeff Stelling joke. The WPL might be an option for smaller towns in the arse end of Wales, struggling clubs and perhaps for reserve teams of the big boys, but it's not for a club as historied as Wrexham. Robin I watch Soccer Saturday but haven't heard the TNS gag what is it?
|
|
|
Wrexham
Apr 4, 2019 7:56:20 GMT
via mobile
Post by welshiron on Apr 4, 2019 7:56:20 GMT
Wrexham turned over around 2.5m. A large chunk of this is at the gate
Not sure what tns earn but well over 1m in money from Europe.
In the wpl Wrexham could reduce wages probably by a third and still be looking to win the league.
Dontcthink their income would reduce too much overall if successful.
|
|
|
Post by robin1864 on Apr 4, 2019 10:36:49 GMT
City can go to infinity and beyond, there's no glass ceiling above them in the English system. They went from being a mid table side to European elite in 10 years. TNS on the other hand are sponsored by local companies, kept alive by a rich man's ego and will only ever go to drab Baltic countries for a European pre-pre qualification round, where they get torn apart on aggregate every year. For all their "success" over the past 15 years, their profile hasn't risen above being a popular Jeff Stelling joke. The WPL might be an option for smaller towns in the arse end of Wales, struggling clubs and perhaps for reserve teams of the big boys, but it's not for a club as historied as Wrexham. Arrogance beyond belief Arse end of Wales to be fair my team is in the second tier but is a far nicer place than Wrexham. I can imagine all the places you visit in England are beautiful and welcoming and feel like utopia. Also please explain this infinity Man City can go to? They win the league and go into the champions league. Same as TNS. I bet you are someone who slags off England at every chance yet you would rather take the footballing crumbs from their table than play in your national league. You may even want an independent Wales but not at the cost of visits to Havant and Braintree. You assume all the sponsors will drop off, how do you know that. Companies like to support a winning team and a run in Europe would raise that profile more than a fa cup run. Yes crowds might drop but would come back as again people like to watch a winning team. It's not arrogance, just the reality of the situation. You'd have to be a proper airy-fairy nationalist to want to see Wrexham in the WPL. Winning a tightly-contested Premier League and playing Europe's elite Champions League is not the same as winning the WPL by walkover, going to Iceland/Latvia/Estonia for a pre-qualifier and getting your arse handed to you on a wet rock. Stop being disingenuous. Yes, when it comes to football I much prefer the English crumbs than the Welsh full meal, it's far more fulfilling and offers a bigger carrot to chase. See my post about TNS - despite all their successes, they're still sponsored local, have low crowds, dependant on a sugar daddy and no real increase in their profile. On paper, they might be up there with Manchester United and Celtic, but fans of those teams would struggle to name a TNS player. City can go to infinity and beyond, there's no glass ceiling above them in the English system. They went from being a mid table side to European elite in 10 years. TNS on the other hand are sponsored by local companies, kept alive by a rich man's ego and will only ever go to drab Baltic countries for a European pre-pre qualification round, where they get torn apart on aggregate every year. For all their "success" over the past 15 years, their profile hasn't risen above being a popular Jeff Stelling joke. The WPL might be an option for smaller towns in the arse end of Wales, struggling clubs and perhaps for reserve teams of the big boys, but it's not for a club as historied as Wrexham. Robin I watch Soccer Saturday but haven't heard the TNS gag what is it? "They'll be dancing in the streets of Total Network Solutions/The New Saints tonight" Wrexham turned over around 2.5m. A large chunk of this is at the gate Not sure what tns earn but well over 1m in money from Europe. In the wpl Wrexham could reduce wages probably by a third and still be looking to win the league. Dontcthink their income would reduce too much overall if successful. Crowds would drop overnight. There's no appetite for Airbus, Cefn Druids or Llandudno - They're preseason games to a team like us.
|
|
|
Post by superunknown on Apr 4, 2019 12:32:19 GMT
Wrexham turned over around 2.5m. A large chunk of this is at the gate Not sure what tns earn but well over 1m in money from Europe. In the wpl Wrexham could reduce wages probably by a third and still be looking to win the league. Dontcthink their income would reduce too much overall if successful. I'm not being arrogant but we're a League 1/League 2 sized club who are unfortunately plying our trade in the National League. Maybe not this season but sooner or later I feel we'll get back to where we belong and playing the bigger teams of League 1 and 2. Even down here we've had Tranmere, Orient, Luton and Bristol Rovers. I want our national league to do well but from playing teams like that to smaller clubs we normally play in pre season friendlies, we as a club would suffer. Only have to look at Swansea to see what can be done.
|
|
|
Post by fiveattheback on Apr 4, 2019 13:34:15 GMT
I don't think they should, but at what point does Wrexham joining the Welsh system become a viable option?
|
|
|
Post by robin1864 on Apr 4, 2019 15:23:29 GMT
I don't think they should, but at what point does Wrexham joining the Welsh system become a viable option? April 1st until noon, generally.
|
|
|
Post by 1gwaunview on Apr 4, 2019 15:25:21 GMT
The sooner Wrexham get promoted back into the EFL the better, just look at the home attendances compared to most of League2.
The problem will arise in 4 or 5 years if we're still where we are at present. Then this current topic will make an interesting debate.
I fervently hope Wrexham are promoted this season however unlikely it looks at the moment.
|
|
|
Post by fiveattheback on Apr 4, 2019 17:17:35 GMT
I don't think they should, but at what point does Wrexham joining the Welsh system become a viable option? April 1st until noon, generally. Very good. Say 5 years from now, Wrexham are mid table in the Vanarama North, would you still be so dismissive of WPL?
|
|
|
Wrexham
Apr 4, 2019 17:19:02 GMT
via mobile
Post by erasedcitizen on Apr 4, 2019 17:19:02 GMT
April 1st until noon, generally. Very good. Say 5 years from now, Wrexham are mid table in the Vanarama North, would you still be so dismissive of WPL? Yes. The standard of the NLN is better than the WPL and we still have the opportunity to get back into the league in future.
|
|
|
Post by robin1864 on Apr 4, 2019 17:20:18 GMT
April 1st until noon, generally. Very good. Say 5 years from now, Wrexham are mid table in the Vanarama North, would you still be so dismissive of WPL? Yes, because the Conference North will gradually improve, whereas the WPL hasn't improved since Barry went pop 20 years ago.
|
|
|
Post by derynglas on Apr 4, 2019 19:20:59 GMT
Comparing different leagues is always difficult but surely the recent C internationals between England and Wales are a pointer to the standards. A3-2 win for England at Barry last season and a 2-2 draw at Salford last month, with England being made up of under 23 English players from the National league and Wales with Welsh players from the WPL.good,close games with good standard of football from both sides. Witness also Connahs Quays run to the final of the IRN Bru cup. I didnt see the final as I was en route to Cardiff for the Wales game but I have it on good authority that Connahs Quay should have been at least 3 goals to the good at half time against the leaders of the Scottish Championship Ross county.before losing in the end 3 1. But then the Scottish league is a pub league according to some.
|
|
|
Post by welshiron on Apr 4, 2019 20:27:31 GMT
Very good. Say 5 years from now, Wrexham are mid table in the Vanarama North, would you still be so dismissive of WPL? Yes, because the Conference North will gradually improve, whereas the WPL hasn't improved since Barry went pop 20 years ago. There you go talking absolute tripe. The standard has improved both on and off the pitch If the people of Wales supported Welsh football it would improve again. Also if there was no league there would be mo national team. I wonder what choice you would make in the following scenario Welsh teams play in their own league or the national team would merge with England like the cricket.
|
|
|
Post by iot on Apr 4, 2019 21:14:52 GMT
By the way I do know the vast majority of Wrexham fans would be against this. As for a ceiling there is a ceiling in all football. Where do man city go next? City can go to infinity and beyond, there's no glass ceiling above them in the English system. They went from being a mid table side to European elite in 10 years. TNS on the other hand are sponsored by local companies, kept alive by a rich man's ego and will only ever go to drab Baltic countries for a European pre-pre qualification round, where they get torn apart on aggregate every year. For all their "success" over the past 15 years, their profile hasn't risen above being a popular Jeff Stelling joke. The WPL might be an option for smaller towns in the arse end of Wales, struggling clubs and perhaps for reserve teams of the big boys, but it's not for a club as historied as Wrexham. Some fair points made on both sides but I agree with welshiron, your posts stink of arrogance.
|
|
|
Post by iot on Apr 4, 2019 21:15:55 GMT
Very good. Say 5 years from now, Wrexham are mid table in the Vanarama North, would you still be so dismissive of WPL? Yes. The standard of the NLN is better than the WPL and we still have the opportunity to get back into the league in future. How ludicrous to state that so matter of factly when the evidence suggests you're talking pish
|
|
|
Post by robin1864 on Apr 4, 2019 23:10:05 GMT
There you go talking absolute tripe. The standard has improved both on and off the pitch If the people of Wales supported Welsh football it would improve again. Also if there was no league there would be mo national team. I wonder what choice you would make in the following scenario Welsh teams play in their own league or the national team would merge with England like the cricket. The NL improves year on year, otherwise we'd be long promoted from it by now, whereas nobody has broken TNS's monopoly yet, and everyone who has tried has gone bust. In addition to this, most of TNS's title-winning teams have been composed of Wrexham rejects, so there's the measure of your beloved WPL. Would you give up all the memories from the PL, embarrassing United and having players such as Michu and Williams delight the crowds for a kick about with Barry and Llanelli? And the bluff about having no national team was called long ago in the 90's, so please give over. Some fair points made on both sides but I agree with welshiron, your posts stink of arrogance. Arrogance is any far-removed Cardiff or Swansea fan lecturing the merits of WPL football to us silly little Gogs, because "What's the point? WPL is the same level anyway and has Europe"-type bollocks. It's not arrogant to reject the deranged football fantasy of a fan from a Premier League/Championship club, just so we can fulfil some nationalist desire they have. The only way I'd accept WPL football is if Cardiff, Newport, Merthyr and Swansea were dragged kicking and screaming down with us.
|
|
|
Post by iot on Apr 5, 2019 9:10:13 GMT
There you go talking absolute tripe. The standard has improved both on and off the pitch If the people of Wales supported Welsh football it would improve again. Also if there was no league there would be mo national team. I wonder what choice you would make in the following scenario Welsh teams play in their own league or the national team would merge with England like the cricket. The NL improves year on year, otherwise we'd be long promoted from it by now, whereas nobody has broken TNS's monopoly yet, and everyone who has tried has gone bust. In addition to this, most of TNS's title-winning teams have been composed of Wrexham rejects, so there's the measure of your beloved WPL. Would you give up all the memories from the PL, embarrassing United and having players such as Michu and Williams delight the crowds for a kick about with Barry and Llanelli? And the bluff about having no national team was called long ago in the 90's, so please give over. Some fair points made on both sides but I agree with welshiron, your posts stink of arrogance. Arrogance is any far-removed Cardiff or Swansea fan lecturing the merits of WPL football to us silly little Gogs, because "What's the point? WPL is the same level anyway and has Europe"-type bollocks. It's not arrogant to reject the deranged football fantasy of a fan from a Premier League/Championship club, just so we can fulfil some nationalist desire they have. The only way I'd accept WPL football is if Cardiff, Newport, Merthyr and Swansea were dragged kicking and screaming down with us. I'm none of those things you describe, I'm not a supporter of any single club. I supported Man U in my glory-seeking youth but thankfully grew out of it, I look at this from a purely Welsh football perspective and your sneering attitude towards domestic footie in Wales leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
|
|
|
Post by fiveattheback on Apr 5, 2019 9:51:27 GMT
There you go talking absolute tripe. The standard has improved both on and off the pitch If the people of Wales supported Welsh football it would improve again. Also if there was no league there would be mo national team. I wonder what choice you would make in the following scenario Welsh teams play in their own league or the national team would merge with England like the cricket. The NL improves year on year, otherwise we'd be long promoted from it by now, whereas nobody has broken TNS's monopoly yet, and everyone who has tried has gone bust. In addition to this, most of TNS's title-winning teams have been composed of Wrexham rejects, so there's the measure of your beloved WPL. Would you give up all the memories from the PL, embarrassing United and having players such as Michu and Williams delight the crowds for a kick about with Barry and Llanelli? And the bluff about having no national team was called long ago in the 90's, so please give over. Some fair points made on both sides but I agree with welshiron, your posts stink of arrogance. Arrogance is any far-removed Cardiff or Swansea fan lecturing the merits of WPL football to us silly little Gogs, because "What's the point? WPL is the same level anyway and has Europe"-type bollocks. It's not arrogant to reject the deranged football fantasy of a fan from a Premier League/Championship club, just so we can fulfil some nationalist desire they have. The only way I'd accept WPL football is if Cardiff, Newport, Merthyr and Swansea were dragged kicking and screaming down with us. Why do you keep bringing nationalism into it?
|
|
|
Post by fiveattheback on Apr 5, 2019 9:52:16 GMT
The NL improves year on year, otherwise we'd be long promoted from it by now, whereas nobody has broken TNS's monopoly yet, and everyone who has tried has gone bust. In addition to this, most of TNS's title-winning teams have been composed of Wrexham rejects, so there's the measure of your beloved WPL. Would you give up all the memories from the PL, embarrassing United and having players such as Michu and Williams delight the crowds for a kick about with Barry and Llanelli? And the bluff about having no national team was called long ago in the 90's, so please give over. Arrogance is any far-removed Cardiff or Swansea fan lecturing the merits of WPL football to us silly little Gogs, because "What's the point? WPL is the same level anyway and has Europe"-type bollocks. It's not arrogant to reject the deranged football fantasy of a fan from a Premier League/Championship club, just so we can fulfil some nationalist desire they have. The only way I'd accept WPL football is if Cardiff, Newport, Merthyr and Swansea were dragged kicking and screaming down with us. I'm none of those things you describe, I'm not a supporter of any single club. I supported Man U in my glory-seeking youth but thankfully grew out of it, I look at this from a purely Welsh football perspective and your sneering attitude towards domestic footie in Wales leaves a bad taste in my mouth. And I think we all know that Welshiron definitely isn't a Cardiff fan
|
|
|
Post by robin1864 on Apr 5, 2019 10:12:52 GMT
Why do you keep bringing nationalism into it? We make more money, have higher attendances, better players, sponsors who pay more and arguably better coverage in the NL, which I see none of in the WPL. The only reason anyone would want us to play in the WPL would be sentiment and nothing more.
|
|
|
Post by robin1864 on Apr 5, 2019 10:20:32 GMT
The NL improves year on year, otherwise we'd be long promoted from it by now, whereas nobody has broken TNS's monopoly yet, and everyone who has tried has gone bust. In addition to this, most of TNS's title-winning teams have been composed of Wrexham rejects, so there's the measure of your beloved WPL. Would you give up all the memories from the PL, embarrassing United and having players such as Michu and Williams delight the crowds for a kick about with Barry and Llanelli? And the bluff about having no national team was called long ago in the 90's, so please give over. Arrogance is any far-removed Cardiff or Swansea fan lecturing the merits of WPL football to us silly little Gogs, because "What's the point? WPL is the same level anyway and has Europe"-type bollocks. It's not arrogant to reject the deranged football fantasy of a fan from a Premier League/Championship club, just so we can fulfil some nationalist desire they have. The only way I'd accept WPL football is if Cardiff, Newport, Merthyr and Swansea were dragged kicking and screaming down with us. I'm none of those things you describe, I'm not a supporter of any single club. I supported Man U in my glory-seeking youth but thankfully grew out of it, I look at this from a purely Welsh football perspective and your sneering attitude towards domestic footie in Wales leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Sneering as it may be, as a Wrexham fan I find it insulting people just think we should throw in the towel and drop down to the WPL because once again we've bottled promotion to the EFL. It's not like we're Colwyn Bay or Merthyr, mid table in the Evo Stick or NLN and every day is groundhog day.
|
|
|
Post by alarch on Apr 5, 2019 11:12:47 GMT
I think it's natural for fans of every club to want to play at the highest level available to them, so I'm sympathetic to the standpoint of Wrexham fans in this. It's debatable whether the National League is much, if at all, above the level of the best teams in the WPL - but that's beside the point. Wrexham have legitimate aspirations, given the club's history and demographics, of being a Football League club, and even of making it to the Championship at least - albeit that they would probably find it hard to sustain membership at that level. I'm sure United fans would be perfectly happy to see Man U play in a European Super League too - which fundamentally isn't that different (putting issues of it possibly being a closed shop to one side).
As for Colwyn Bay, I've always thought that they should be part of the WPL, simply because the town isn't really big enough to sustain Football League status for any length of time. In the WPL Colwyn Bay should be competitive and have a realistic chance of glory at a level that matches their profile.
The sad thing about these sort of debates (and I've seen plenty of a similar ilk on Swansea forums) is that they needlessly polarise the Welsh footie public, and encourage those supporting sides playing outside of Wales to adopt a derogatory attitude towards the Welsh pyramid. It really doesn't have to be that black and white. We need to focus on improving the Welsh pyramid without looking to curtail needlessly the legitimate aspirations of our strongest clubs.
|
|
|
Wrexham
Apr 5, 2019 11:41:38 GMT
via mobile
Post by erasedcitizen on Apr 5, 2019 11:41:38 GMT
Yes. The standard of the NLN is better than the WPL and we still have the opportunity to get back into the league in future. How ludicrous to state that so matter of factly when the evidence suggests you're talking pish What evidence? My evidence is that I've watched football at both levels. I suggest you do the same before you come back to me.
|
|
|
Wrexham
Apr 5, 2019 11:52:13 GMT
via mobile
Post by erasedcitizen on Apr 5, 2019 11:52:13 GMT
The NL improves year on year, otherwise we'd be long promoted from it by now, whereas nobody has broken TNS's monopoly yet, and everyone who has tried has gone bust. In addition to this, most of TNS's title-winning teams have been composed of Wrexham rejects, so there's the measure of your beloved WPL. Would you give up all the memories from the PL, embarrassing United and having players such as Michu and Williams delight the crowds for a kick about with Barry and Llanelli? And the bluff about having no national team was called long ago in the 90's, so please give over. Arrogance is any far-removed Cardiff or Swansea fan lecturing the merits of WPL football to us silly little Gogs, because "What's the point? WPL is the same level anyway and has Europe"-type bollocks. It's not arrogant to reject the deranged football fantasy of a fan from a Premier League/Championship club, just so we can fulfil some nationalist desire they have. The only way I'd accept WPL football is if Cardiff, Newport, Merthyr and Swansea were dragged kicking and screaming down with us. I'm none of those things you describe, I'm not a supporter of any single club. I supported Man U in my glory-seeking youth but thankfully grew out of it, I look at this from a purely Welsh football perspective and your sneering attitude towards domestic footie in Wales leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The standard is appalling though. No side has ever looked like doing anything in Europe and it ranks below the Faroe Islands's top league. I think this is a travesty personally, but I don't think telling yourself that the standard is far better than it actually is and arguing with anyone who dare disagree is helping anyone either.
|
|
|
Post by robin1864 on Apr 5, 2019 12:24:04 GMT
We need to focus on improving the Welsh pyramid without looking to curtail needlessly the legitimate aspirations of our strongest clubs. It could be improved by allowing Swansea/Cardiff/Newport/Wrexham (if we had any) reserves to play in the system. Call them Abertawe/Caerdydd/Casnewydd/Wrecsam if you have to, or get each club to set up a shell team inside the Welsh system, but that alone would create a massive opportunity for Welsh youngsters to play competitive football at a level fair for their ages. I can't see any implications of allowing a professional club with the means to improve the league being allowed to field a U21/reserve side in the WPL. The Women's teams from the "big 4" clubs compete in Wales, and the FAW Youth Cup also allows for the same to happen. Excluding exile clubs from the Welsh Cup and so on was nothing but appeasement politics from the FAW because clubs like Bangor kept cry-arsing.
|
|
|
Post by iot on Apr 5, 2019 12:56:59 GMT
How ludicrous to state that so matter of factly when the evidence suggests you're talking pish What evidence? My evidence is that I've watched football at both levels. I suggest you do the same before you come back to me. The C Internationals, performances in the Irn Bru Cup, the competitiveness of the FAW Premier Cup when that was held. They're far better and more objective sources of evidence than the purely subjective insights from a few games you've watched at both levels. And btw, I've also watched both levels and some of Wrexham's games are certainly nothing to write home about. Besides, I don't doubt that the conference is of a higher level than the welsh prem, but you were implying, completely matter of factly, that the level below that is better than the welsh prem.
|
|
|
Wrexham
Apr 5, 2019 13:05:01 GMT
via mobile
Post by erasedcitizen on Apr 5, 2019 13:05:01 GMT
What evidence? My evidence is that I've watched football at both levels. I suggest you do the same before you come back to me. The C Internationals, performances in the Irn Bru Cup, the competitiveness of the FAW Premier Cup when that was held. They're far better and more objective sources of evidence than the purely subjective insights from a few games you've watched at both levels. And btw, I've also watched both levels and some of Wrexham's games are certainly nothing to write home about. Besides, I don't doubt that the conference is of a higher level than the welsh prem, but you were implying, completely matter of factly, that the level below that is better than the welsh prem. We're not going to agree on this so I think you should get over it.
|
|
|
Post by alarch on Apr 5, 2019 13:29:21 GMT
I saw Orient's game against Wrexham - two of the top teams in the National League, and I wasn't impressed. The C International iot refers to, on the other hand, was of surprisingly good quality - with two very evenly matched sides. I would say that the WPL is of similar standard to the National League - perhaps a tad below. But as I said before, this is irrelvant to the argument of where the likes of Wrexham, Newport, Cardiff and Swansea should play. It's a different matter with respect to Colwyn Bay and Merthyr, although in the latter's case, the population should, in theory, be sufficient to support a football league club.
|
|
|
Post by robin1864 on Apr 5, 2019 14:02:50 GMT
TNS walk the WPL every season with players who weren't good enough for Wrexham and the National League, that alone should end any debate, but seeing as people want to drag this out;
C-Internationals are where butchers, bakers and candlestick makers get to feel big-time, so the players are obviously going to put in a good shift.
The FAW Premier Cup (something I liked) would be Cardiff vs. Swansea every season without fail if it was still around and both teams took it seriously, Newport and Wrexham making the semi-finals. In the 11 years it ran, WPL teams only made the final 4 times, and only won twice. Today TNS would get a hiding off Newport, and Wrexham would beat Barry.
Looking at the Welsh Cup, Airbus were only able to beat our youth team after extra time, which gives strength to my argument for the inclusion of Youth/Reserve sides as a competitive force in the WPL.
As for the IRN-BRU Cup, it's a failing Scottish trinket which was previously only open to teams in the Scottish Championship and below, and Connah's Quay got slaughtered 3-1 in the final.
|
|