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Post by caradocevans on Mar 22, 2011 17:39:03 GMT
I would have Ashley Williams in there, Carodoc E you are well off the mark on Williams he has had a fantastic season for the Swans and is athletic,strong and has pace. ) Yeah, but he can't defend. Did you see him against QPR? He was embarrassing.
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Post by welshcule on Mar 22, 2011 23:08:58 GMT
Joe Allen every time.
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Post by giantstoneater on Mar 23, 2011 0:09:42 GMT
Which game home or away saw the home game and he had a very good game. The game at Qpr may have been different The Swans were tonked but perhaps Williams was not helped by the fact that Tate was sent off and besides quite a few defenders would have been embarassed by QPR this season. Williams has had a very good season and that is my opinion and I have had plenty of opportunity to see him. And yes I do think he can defend can you say the same of Gunter-good Going forward but in defence against pace?. J Collins a brave player who puts his body on the line but lacks pace and has just come back from injury. Gabbidon used to have bags of pace and reads the game well but after all his injury problems is he the same player and he hasn`t had much game time in the last few weeks and finally N Collins if Eardley had a poor game v ROI then that is matched by Collins effort v Cyprus and again he is slow. If these players were playing at the top of their games for their clubs I wouldn`t be saying all this, they all have their good points and bad and that includes Williams but against England with players playing for their clubs on a regular basis perhaps we need players who are playing for their clubs and are fit. Losing Ricketts was a big loss for Speed and the team and I was just looking at ways to get around that isn`t that what this board is for. Hopefully Taylor will get blooded but perhaps the next game will be more suited for him but you never know if you`re good enough you`re old enough.
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Post by jonathandearth on Mar 23, 2011 8:45:04 GMT
I'd expect them both to play as the holding/defensive two, with Ramsey given the freedom to go forward. Our team will be something like this: -------------Hennessey Gunter--Collins--Gabbidon--Collins ----------Vaughan--Ledley Bellamy-------Ramsey--------Bale --------------Morison The biggest question marks are in defence. Is James Collins fit enough to play? Does Ashley Williams deserve to start? Should D Collins play at left-back or centre-half. Should Gabbidon play at left-back or centre-half etc. Apart from Ashley Williams is ahead of Gabbidon then this team picks itself. It will be Ledley & Vaughan. Where I think there is some debate is the full backs: Eardley or Gunter Danny Collins or Neil Taylor I'd go for Eardley & Taylor - but happy with Gunter & Collins. I can see Andy King coming on for sure at some point.
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Post by flynnfan on Mar 23, 2011 9:07:11 GMT
I'm shocked at the number of people who want Vaughan in the team. Did you not see Lampard running rings around him for Chelsea vs Blackpool a couple of weeks back?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2011 9:26:47 GMT
I'm shocked at the number of people who want Vaughan in the team. Did you not see Lampard running rings around him for Chelsea vs Blackpool a couple of weeks back? Totally agree flynnfan - he's decent up to a certain level but will never take us to where we want to go. King has been struggling lately if you look at the Leicester board on 606 - jaded maybe? played a lot of games (and as captain for a player his age)......but he must be being tracked by premier league clubs and saturday would be a big opportunity for him to show what he can do at the higher level. He would have a lot of experience playing alongside rambo at U21 level and gives you a goal threat that vaughan does not - and considering our lack of potency up front over recent years that may be crucial.
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Post by raptor on Mar 23, 2011 10:10:50 GMT
Joe Allen looks very good but I've only seen him two or three times.
You can't underestimate the importance of Vaughan though as he is the type of player the back four can give it to knowing he won't lose possesion straight away, he always seems to know where he's passing it before the ball comes to him.
In terms of Welsh players Ledley is strong in all depts, but has not shown form at national level.
I'd go Vaughan, we need to keep more possesion.
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Post by squatter1 on Mar 23, 2011 14:06:27 GMT
Exactly, Raptor - for the entire period of Tosh's reign we were bemoaning that we couldn't find a defensive midfielder to do the unglamorous stuff well, and now we've got one playing in the Premiership and everyone's like, nah, don't need him.
This kind of player is like gold dust - not cos he's head and shoulders above anyone else in ability, but because it's rare you find players with a bit of skill who develop the positional and defensive nous.
What's happened to Vaughan is like how O'Neil transformed Petrov into a defensive midfielder. We should be damn glad its come about, and put him in the heart of the team so the 'creators' and Ramsey, Bale, etc can shine.
Btw, I actually agree that Ledley and Vaughan should both play cos we need that solid base, but hasnt Speedy already said that Ramsey is going to play in one of those two deep central mid positions?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2011 15:59:48 GMT
Theoretically I agree squatter but then he did let Gibson go in the Ireland game allowing him to score their first. Hes not very defensively sound if stuff like that happens on his watch.
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Post by flynnfan on Mar 23, 2011 16:08:26 GMT
'postitional and defensive nous' !!!!!! are you shitting me?
Yeah, it was wonderful postitional and defensive nous that allowed Darren fucking Gibson to ghost past him in Dublin...
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Post by squatter1 on Mar 23, 2011 17:44:19 GMT
Nobody's perfect lads! It's like one mistake or one bad game is enough to write anyone off.
In the real world it aint so. Rooney's probably had seven or eight bad games this season, doesnt change who/what he is (grannie shagger)
Even Bale has been anonymous in one or two. Doesnt change who/what he is (leader of the planet of the apes)
By that yardstick, Gunter should never play for us again for his mistake last time, Ginge for his, and probably every other player we've got.
Footie's about probabilities - the probability that a player will play well/be better than another in the same position. For defensive mid, I reckon the chances that Vaughan will do a good job for us are higher than anyone else we have (specifically, he shades Ledley in this matter.) Whether or not he'll actually deliver when it comes down to it, we'll see.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2011 18:20:32 GMT
Nobody's perfect lads! It's like one mistake or one bad game is enough to write anyone off. In the real world it aint so. Rooney's probably had seven or eight bad games this season, doesnt change who/what he is (grannie shagger) Even Bale has been anonymous in one or two. Doesnt change who/what he is (leader of the planet of the apes) By that yardstick, Gunter should never play for us again for his mistake last time, Ginge for his, and probably every other player we've got. Footie's about probabilities - the probability that a player will play well/be better than another in the same position. For defensive mid, I reckon the chances that Vaughan will do a good job for us are higher than anyone else we have (specifically, he shades Ledley in this matter.) Whether or not he'll actually deliver when it comes down to it, we'll see. Good response that. Great point that its about probabilities. Will have to see how Vaughan goes on from here. He seems to be getting recognition as one of the unsung heroes of this premiership season so he must be doing something right.
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Post by flynnfan on Mar 23, 2011 19:11:22 GMT
It's not down to that one mistake that I have reservations about Vaughan though squatter- on another thread I wrote in detail about why I don't think he's a good choice for this game. The gist was that he's technically gifted, but when he comes up against midfielders who are just as technically gifted(most at international level) he's generally out-powered, out-paced, out muscled etc. Witness the just as technically gifted but stronger, faster, fitter Lampard running rings around him couple of weeks back. Vaughan's had some good games for us against the likes of Azerbaijan and Leichtenstein, where his extra technical abaility shines through, but against the better teams, the ones ranked above us, he's usually anonymous. Ledley has had excellent games for Wales against the likes of ROI, Czech Republic, Russia, Slovakia- he's a much, much, much better player than Vaughan. This shouldn't even be a debate.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2011 20:32:00 GMT
It's not down to that one mistake that I have reservations about Vaughan though squatter- on another thread I wrote in detail about why I don't think he's a good choice for this game. The gist was that he's technically gifted, but when he comes up against midfielders who are just as technically gifted(most at international level) he's generally out-powered, out-paced, out muscled etc. Witness the just as technically gifted but stronger, faster, fitter Lampard running rings around him couple of weeks back. Vaughan's had some good games for us against the likes of Azerbaijan and Leichtenstein, where his extra technical abaility shines through, but against the better teams, the ones ranked above us, he's usually anonymous. Ledley has had excellent games for Wales against the likes of ROI, Czech Republic, Russia, Slovakia- he's a much, much, much better player than Vaughan. This shouldn't even be a debate. That just about nails it. It's that he is not athletic enough - he fades from games at the higher levels as the game goes on.
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Post by squatter1 on Mar 23, 2011 21:06:25 GMT
Well, the whole Ledley/Vaughan thing is going to be an interesting sub plot on the day.
As I write that, I realise quite how few people that statement will actually be true for.
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Post by caradocevans on Mar 23, 2011 21:19:19 GMT
They are both going to start, ffs.
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Mar 23, 2011 21:22:38 GMT
They wont speed has already mentioned he will have ledley and rambo playing alongside eachover meaning king bit further forward imo.
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Post by flynnfan on Aug 10, 2011 21:45:42 GMT
Sadly, it seems those who predicted moving to Scotland would ruin his career are right at this point in time. I really thought he was one of (if not our best!) player a few years back. It was totally depressing watching him tonight....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2011 21:51:18 GMT
It was totally depressing watching a lot of things tonight!
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Post by raptor on Aug 10, 2011 21:53:27 GMT
I'm afraid Ledley was crap for a long time prior to his move up north.
First he had the injury and then contract wranglings.
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Post by rhys on Aug 10, 2011 21:54:32 GMT
Been missing since the cup final.
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Post by flynnfan on Aug 10, 2011 21:59:51 GMT
I know it was 'only' Luxembourg, but I thought he was very good in that game last August. Since then though, for Wales, he's been absolutely appalling. And I really thought he had the potential to become a Welsh legend - the first player to 100 caps perhaps. Collison did more in his first ten minutes than Ledley did all game.
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Post by saints19 on Aug 10, 2011 22:11:31 GMT
Ledley was rubbish tonight. But so was Ramsey, and I don't see anyone predicting the end of his career.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2011 22:19:41 GMT
Ledley was rubbish tonight. But so was Ramsey, and I don't see anyone predicting the end of his career. Not for Arsenal anyway..... Ramsey has been good for Arsenal by all accounts in pre-season. Crap against England, terrible tonight. I wonder if Speed has the balls to go with a midfield of Colison, Allen and Vaughan against Montenegro?
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Post by flynnfan on Aug 10, 2011 22:22:17 GMT
Its not so much that RD. I wanted to see Rambo and Collison in combination tonight- usually excellent together for the u21s. Has Speed got the balls to go with Ramsey, Collison, Allen against Montenegro?
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Post by saints19 on Aug 10, 2011 22:23:33 GMT
I think it's difficult to assess Collison and Allen based on ten minutes, especially when the Aussies were winding down. To be honest, they looked entirely comfortable until Blake scored out of the blue.
However they couldn't be any more ineffectual than Ramsey tonight. I didn't really notice him, which was disappointing. Those who said Ramsey would be better than Bale will surely be eating their words as I type this.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2011 23:46:48 GMT
very depressing.. ledley use to be top draw, i remember him playing really well in russia away. he was terrible tonight. :/ Ramsey was very quiet.. It's about time Joe Allen get's more of a chance with us though, and i don't think 4-3-3 suits us at all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2011 23:50:08 GMT
very depressing.. ledley use to be top draw, i remember him playing really well in russia away. he was terrible tonight. :/ Ramsey was very quiet.. It's about time Joe Allen get's more of a chance with us though, and i don't think 4-3-3 suits us at all. 4-5-1/4-3-3 playing a counter attacking style would suit us down to the ground. Problem is that whilst pace is our main weapon Speed (and Tosh before him) wants us to play this bollocks slow possession passing game. We simply cant use possession that well so we need to be more economical with the ball.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2011 0:06:59 GMT
Get Tony Pulis in as manager! he'd sort our team out.
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Post by saints19 on Aug 11, 2011 0:12:54 GMT
I long for the day that Pulis becomes our manager. It would take the FAW breaking the bank to offer him a seven-figure salary though, and even if they have that kind of money they wouldn't spend it. Although apparently they think nothing of shelling out £500k on Speed.
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