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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 14:44:10 GMT
www.bbc.com/sport/football/44483245An English-led home nations bid for the 2030 World Cup is "definitely on the radar", says former Scottish Football Association boss Stewart Regan. It comes after the United States, Canada and Mexico won the right to host the 2026 tournament, beating Morocco. But English FA chief executive Martin Glenn says the FA would be "not focusing" on a bid for the time being. "Everyone would like to see World Cup football in England and possibly the wider UK," said Regan. Speaking to BBC Radio 4's Today programme, he added: "Certainly it would be a very strong bid financially." On Wednesday, Fifa vice-president David Gill said England should have "great confidence" in bidding for the 2030 tournament, having lost out to Russia for the right to host the 2018 tournament. Argentina, Uruguay and Paraguay have announced their plans to jointly bid for 2030. Since the 2018 and 2022 tournaments were awarded to Russia and Qatar respectively in December 2010, widespread corruption has been exposed in the global game, including allegations of bribery and payment for votes. England felt aggrieved by the bidding process when they lost the bid for the 2018 tournament, and former Fifa president Sepp Blatter has since suggested there was an agreement in place for Russia to host the tournament before the vote took place. Prominent figures, including Blatter, have since been indicted. As a result, Fifa's executive committee is no longer responsible for the final say on which country is awarded a World Cup. Instead, Fifa member nations cast their votes. Regan, who stepped down from his position in February, says such changes may encourage England to launch a bid for 2030. "[Fifa president] Gianni Infantino promised a much more transparent Fifa, he promised a much more objective Fifa," said Regan. "As far as the manner in which they've conducted the recent bid which led to US and Canada and Mexico being awarded the 2026 World Cup, I think that sends out a really strong signal that Fifa has changed. "I think it will make more countries believe they have a chance of being treated fairly, and equitably and I think the FA are right in that mix." Despite remaining tight-lipped over any potential bid for 2030, Glenn agrees that Fifa's reformed voting process is a success. "What's changed is that this time the 2026 bids were decided on the floor of the Congress, not in a smoke-filled room where people didn't know whose votes were being traded for what," he said. "The fact that the votes are then recorded, I think that's a huge change and Fifa should be applauded for it." Could England host a World Cup? Wembley will host seven games during Euro 2020, including the semi-finals and final, while in August, the FA announced its bid to host the 2021 European Women's Championship. Regan understands that these events are the immediate "priority" for the FA, but says the infrastructure is in place should they launch a 2026 bid. "I don't think this bid will be top of the priority list right now for the FA, especially given the World Cup starting and then of course the European Championships in 2020 and their own bid for the Women's Championship in 2021," said Regan. "But that aside, I think yesterday's decision by Fifa and the member associations and the process more importantly that has been followed will give the FA great comfort that making a bid for the 2030 World Cup is something that's definitely on the radar. "England has got the operational expertise for delivering major events and the Euro 2020 final in London will be happening in a couple of years' time, and clearly it has the logistics and infrastructure with airports and hotels." And while Glenn is aware of England's potential to host the World Cup, pointing to the success of the London 2012 Olympics, he says the Women's Euros is the FA's sole focus. "We've applied to get the 2021 Euros for the women, we really wanted to do that, and impressing Uefa with our credentials is important," he said. "We've been awarded a number of extra games for the Euros for 2020, so clearly England is seen as a great venue for hosting events, you think of the success of the Olympics as well but we're not focusing on anything beyond that right now."
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Post by BA Baracus on Jun 15, 2018 8:44:08 GMT
Can't see this happening tbh.
England have got enough decent stadia to hold it on their own. The only stadium we would be bringing to the party would be the Millennium. Can't see the CCS and the Millennium being accepted as part of the same bid as they're in the same city and, for similar reasons, can't see the Scots providing more than two stadiums (Murrayfield and Hampden).
The only possible benefit to the English FA would be that a joint SFA, FAW bid might detoxify perceived image among the rest of FIFA.
It would also, for better or worse, put the Team GB debate back on the table as some members of FIFA are bound to question why three/four qualifying positions are being taken up by one state!
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Post by jimbo82 on Jun 15, 2018 9:06:16 GMT
Can't see this happening tbh. England have got enough decent stadia to hold it on their own. The only stadium we would be bringing to the party would be the Millennium. Can't see the CCS and the Millennium being accepted as part of the same bid as they're in the same city and, for similar reasons, can't see the Scots providing more than two stadiums (Murrayfield and Hampden). The only possible benefit to the English FA would be that a joint SFA, FAW bid might detoxify perceived image among the rest of FIFA. It would also, for better or worse, put the Team GB debate back on the table as some members of FIFA are bound to question why three/four qualifying positions are being taken up by one state! How about a qualification group to see which teams play - top 2 go through: England Scotland Wales ROI NI Gibraltar Could be a bit of a bloodbath!
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Post by BA Baracus on Jun 15, 2018 9:44:28 GMT
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Post by BA Baracus on Jun 15, 2018 9:47:13 GMT
Love this last par from the above story: As part of the FA’s effort to improve its image on the world stage Gareth Southgate will introduce himself in the future as being from the “English FA”. The manager and other executives believe it will help remove any perception of English football as arrogant. In 2015 Glenn said the Football Association’s name was the “ultimate expression of arrogance”.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jun 15, 2018 9:50:42 GMT
Can't see this happening tbh. England have got enough decent stadia to hold it on their own. The only stadium we would be bringing to the party would be the Millennium. Can't see the CCS and the Millennium being accepted as part of the same bid as they're in the same city and, for similar reasons, can't see the Scots providing more than two stadiums (Murrayfield and Hampden). The only possible benefit to the English FA would be that a joint SFA, FAW bid might detoxify perceived image among the rest of FIFA. It would also, for better or worse, put the Team GB debate back on the table as some members of FIFA are bound to question why three/four qualifying positions are being taken up by one state! Canada and Mexico each only have 3 proposed stadiums for the 2026 WC, so a joint England/Scotland bid isn't out of the question but I can't see Wales being part of it somehow. 1 stadium surely isn't enough. The only way that Wales could be considered part of the bid is if they greatly expanded the Liberty Stadium, or built something up in Wrexham. Either seem unlikely in my view.
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Post by cadno on Jun 15, 2018 9:59:45 GMT
Hopefully there will be no United Kingdom by 2030, Wales will be an independent country within the EU, and we'll be watching Ashley Williams managing Wales in a South American World Cup.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jun 15, 2018 10:12:12 GMT
Hopefully there will be no United Kingdom by 2030, Wales will be an independent country within the EU, and we'll be watching Ashley Williams managing Wales in a South American World Cup. I'll have some of what you're having please bud.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2018 11:21:51 GMT
FA in talks with home nations over UK-wide bid to host 2030 World Cup www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jun/14/fa-talks-home-nations-uk-wide-bid-host-2030-world-cupWales, Scotland and Northern Ireland would host with England Argentina, Uruguay and Paraguay will submit rival joint bid The Football Association has held secret talks with the other home nations about the possibility of a joint bid for the 2030 World Cup. The FA chief executive, Martin Glenn, and chairman, Greg Clarke, met their counterparts from Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland in Moscow on Tuesday and discussed a potential UK-wide push to host the 48-team event. Over the next year the FA will weigh up the pros and cons of bidding for the World Cup for the first time since a bruising defeat by Russia for 2018. It has agreed to consult the home nations before beginning any campaign. The former Scottish FA chief executive Stewart Regan believes an England-led home nations bid is on the radar. “Everyone would like to see World Cup football in England and possibly the wider UK and it would be very strong financially,” he said. “It would definitely be viewed as a low-risk bid. Not many countries have the quality of large stadiums that England has while Wales have hosted the Champions League final recently and Scotland is a Euro 2020 host and has a reputation for successfully staging major sports events. Northern Ireland may not meet the stadium requirements but could possibly be used for training venues.” Any bid would face opposition from a joint campaign by Argentina, Uruguay and Paraguay. They opened Conmebol house in Moscow on Thursday in a ceremony attended by Fifa’s president, Gianni Infantino, and it was heavily branded with 2030 promotional material bearing their slogan: “Believe big”. As part of the FA’s effort to improve its image on the world stage Gareth Southgate will introduce himself in the future as being from the “English FA”. The manager and other executives believe it will help remove any perception of English football as arrogant. In 2015 Glenn said the Football Association’s name was the “ultimate expression of arrogance”.
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Post by georgetm1 on Jun 15, 2018 13:14:53 GMT
I personally don't trust the English FA to do anything without stabbing the rest of us in the back and trying to steal shit off us, just like their government. They don't deserve our trust.
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Post by fiveattheback on Jun 15, 2018 15:33:56 GMT
It would be the Millennium and CCS from Wales and two of Hampden/Murrayfield/Celtic Park from Scotland
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Post by BA Baracus on Jun 15, 2018 16:02:55 GMT
It would be the Millennium and CCS from Wales and two of Hampden/Murrayfield/Celtic Park from Scotland I can't see them picking two stadiums in a city of Cardiff's size. Or Glasgow for that matter.
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Post by fiveattheback on Jun 15, 2018 16:12:33 GMT
It would be the Millennium and CCS from Wales and two of Hampden/Murrayfield/Celtic Park from Scotland I can't see them picking two stadiums in a city of Cardiff's size. Or Glasgow for that matter. If Wales were to take part in the bid, they wouldn't be able to justify using just one stadium. They'd probably give the CCS 1/2 games and focus mainly on the Millennium There are no other viable options in Wales unless the Liberty expanded to around 35,000
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Jun 21, 2018 14:05:35 GMT
I can't see them picking two stadiums in a city of Cardiff's size. Or Glasgow for that matter. If Wales were to take part in the bid, they wouldn't be able to justify using just one stadium. They'd probably give the CCS 1/2 games and focus mainly on the Millennium There are no other viable options in Wales unless the Liberty expanded to around 35,000 I think they would do the latter, especially in Swansea regained their place in the Premier League. Plus this is 2030, Wrexham could be in the Premier League and also have a 25-30,000 seater stadium by then. If Cardiff stay in the Premier League and keep hold of new fans, then there is no reason the CCS cant also expand to 45,000. By 2030 we could have plenty of stadiums and be subsidised by the Government. We could then offer 3 or 4 stadiums.
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Post by BA Baracus on Jun 21, 2018 14:36:35 GMT
They wouldn't pick both the stadiums in Cardiff if it meant a similar-sized city in England (or even Swansea) missed out completely.
An expansion of the Liberty is a possibility I suppose.
They don't just pick host cities based on the stadium. The number of hotel rooms, ability to deal with a huge number of fans and transport infastructure is also considered. The last bid by the English FA included Plymouth as a host city, not because Argyle are a big club but because they felt the south west could handle an influx of visitors on that scale.
The expansion of a stadium in North Wales to a capacity of 30,000+ would leave behind a huge white elephant. Also, it's questionable as to whether Wrexham would fit the criteria of a host city (though I suppose the rest of North Wales and possibly Chester combined arguably has the tourist infastructure).
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Post by pendragon on Jun 21, 2018 14:38:27 GMT
Hopefully there will be no United Kingdom by 2030, Wales will be an independent country within the EU, and we'll be watching Ashley Williams managing Wales in a South American World Cup. I'll have some of what you're having please bud. Well, you never know... I'm not going to get into the tiresome politics of Brexit here, but a recent survey suggested (can't remember the source and not sure how representative it was 😕) that a majority of leave supporters in England would support exiting the European Union even if it led to the break-up of the United Kingdom... Every cloud and that... 😉🖒
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Post by 1gwaunview on Jun 21, 2018 14:45:21 GMT
Would love to see a 30k Racecourse ground. Great atmosphere for Wales games years ago.
If Cardiff City establish themselves in the Premier League, can see CCS being developed again. It was always on the cards sometime.
More of a problem at the Liberty. Was not originally built with expansion in mind, but plans are afoot and promotion again could see it come to fruition.
Millennium would be a cert.
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Jun 22, 2018 9:26:34 GMT
I'll have some of what you're having please bud. Well, you never know... I'm not going to get into the tiresome politics of Brexit here, but a recent survey suggested (can't remember the source and not sure how representative it was 😕) that a majority of leave supporters in England would support exiting the European Union even if it led to the break-up of the United Kingdom... Every cloud and that... 😉🖒 Probably another study poll paid for by remain.
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Post by superunknown on Aug 30, 2018 12:40:07 GMT
Jonathan Ford has apparently been in talks over the potential of a 2030 World Cup bid with the other home nations. Certainly an interesting prospect, would give Wales more of a stage on which to promote ourselves but I can only see us offering the Millennium. I'd be surprised if they allow two stadiums in the same city unless we offer the Liberty as well but seems slightly small for a World Cup stadium, but if all Northern Ireland are offering is Windsor Park then it's possible.
Something to chew over for sure, think I'd be up for it, it's the only way Wales will realistically hold a football world cup and it's better than England having it all to themselves.
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45349026
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Post by CrackityJones on Aug 30, 2018 13:12:00 GMT
Never gonna happen unfortunately.
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Aug 30, 2018 13:42:42 GMT
Never gonna happen unfortunately. I dont see why not, this is the way tournaments are going, all bids are going the way of joint bids. There are very of these bids as well equipped to host such a tournament as the UK. And there hasnt been a world cup or major football tournament hold in the UK since 1996, 1966 for the world cup. Its about time. We already have the stadiums, the hotels, the airports, the infrastructure. Could invest in a stadium in Wrexham, so there are 2 or 3 additional options in Wales - no reason Cardiff cant use 2 stadiums, im sure London will make use of Olympic Stadium, possibly Tottenhams new ground, the Emirates and Wembley. Manchester has two stadiums ready for a world cup.
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Post by traeth on Aug 30, 2018 15:07:01 GMT
I was under the impression that the stadia for the world cup had to have capacities of at least 40 000 , The Millenium Stadium is the only one that fits this criteria presently. Windsor park does not fit this criteria.
I could be wrong with this statement though
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Post by superunknown on Aug 30, 2018 15:12:26 GMT
I was under the impression that the stadia for the world cup had to have capacities of at least 40 000 , The Millenium Stadium is the only one that fits this criteria presently. Windsor park does not fit this criteria. I could be wrong with this statement though Russia had two below this which were around 33k but Windsor Park only has 18k which does seem very small for a World Cup stadium.
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Aug 30, 2018 15:44:32 GMT
I was under the impression that the stadia for the world cup had to have capacities of at least 40 000 , The Millenium Stadium is the only one that fits this criteria presently. Windsor park does not fit this criteria. I could be wrong with this statement though Russia had two below this which were around 33k but Windsor Park only has 18k which does seem very small for a World Cup stadium. There would be investment in making the stadiums up to capacity, there would only need to be this investment in very few stadiums.
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Post by BA Baracus on Aug 30, 2018 15:51:19 GMT
They'll need 16 40,000+ stadia according to the report.
No mention of Northern Ireland.
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Post by zenith on Aug 30, 2018 15:56:09 GMT
CCS can be expanded to 45-50k I believe.
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Post by oscardelta on Aug 30, 2018 17:29:40 GMT
How about a qualification group to see which teams play - top 2 go through: England Scotland Wales ROI NI Gibraltar Could be a bit of a bloodbath! ROI is not part of any "Home Nations".............
Would wait until 2020 first as Qatar still a risk of not having it.
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Post by oscardelta on Aug 30, 2018 17:44:03 GMT
They'll need 16 40,000+ stadia according to the report. No mention of Northern Ireland. Total number of games in a 48 team WC is 80.
Looking at cities London - 2 Manchester - 2 Liverpool -1 Leeds -1 Birmingham -1 Bristol -1 Plymouth / Exeter -1
Southampton -1 Brighton -1
MK - 1 Newcastle / Sunderland / Middlesborough- 2 Nottingham - Derby -1 Cardiff -1 Glasgow -1 Edinburgh -1
Reasonable coverage of country
One issue is FIFA like to have a minimum of 1km sterile zone around a ground for security and sponsors.................. some not capable of that.
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Post by idj68 on Aug 30, 2018 17:49:48 GMT
They'll need 16 40,000+ stadia according to the report. No mention of Northern Ireland. Total number of games in a 48 team WC is 80.
Looking at cities London - 2 Manchester - 2 Liverpool -1 Leeds -1 Birmingham -1 Bristol -1 Plymouth / Exeter -1
Southampton -1 Brighton -1
MK - 1 Newcastle / Sunderland / Middlesborough- 2 Nottingham - Derby -1 Cardiff -1 Glasgow -1 Edinburgh -1
Reasonable coverage of country
One issue is FIFA like to have a minimum of 1km sterile zone around a ground for security and sponsors.................. some not capable of that.
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Post by idj68 on Aug 30, 2018 17:53:06 GMT
If there are 48 teams some games will be Saudi Arabia v Iceland ! 18k should be enough for that ? Or Canada v Slovenia
Liklehood will be 25k min should be ok for these larger world cups
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