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Post by Albert on Jul 12, 2021 11:04:47 GMT
I'm just happy Sweet Caroline isn't forever tainted, I really like that song. Their songs are so unoriginal. You'd think Sweet Caroline has never been sung at a sports event before the way people were going mad for it. It's the Wembley stadium dj's fault , he was ready to play vindaloo but decided on sweet Caroline instead , safe to say that won't be played again !
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Post by britten22 on Jul 12, 2021 11:13:55 GMT
Also our English friends are conspicuous by their absence. Funny how they celebrate winning by posting on Welsh forums but celebrate losing by staying silent. Whatever happened tonight I’ve definitely not been bumping my gums anywhere but on a Welsh football forum. Morning gents I was told I wasn't welcome, was unhinged, attention seeking, desperate for love etc, so I couldn't be bothered. However, I couldn't resist coming and having a browse at the comments this morning, and they didn't disappoint To be honest, it was a pretty horrible day in many ways - the atmosphere at Wembley outside was "lively" and not in a nice way - why do people get so intoxicated they can hardly walk 3 hours before kick off? I can't get my head around it. I am sick and tired off being dragged down by moronic, boorish morons who make me constantly feel the need to apologise for being English when I am abroad (and on this occassion, at home). I am fiercely proud to be English, and show my patriotism by being a good ambassador for my country. I wish these "people" would stop associating themselves with the national team. Re the issue of ticketing though, it was mainly local rude boys trying to get in without tickets, and not really england "fans" - most of them wouldn't know who our next opponents are, let alone bother to watch it on TV, they were just local chavs. Some prick tried to follow me in to the ground - f*** off was the nicest thing I said to him. Re booing anthems, just close the ground for a game, then it'll stop. Simple. That said, if you ever go to Hampden for an England game, that lot make us look polite, so it has to be consistently applied. And if you think we are the only team to do it, then your one-eyed bias has gone to new levels. Now for the game............let's move on! I've said for a while now, the tactics are too defensive, but whilst we were winning, Southgate was right, and I was wrong. Southgate does seem to learn though, and I think overall, it's been an amazing ride - beating Germany (don't forget a terrible Germany, who'd just gubbed a terrible Portugal)was something I will never forget. Not having this narrative about easy draws etc etc. That does come across a little as sour grapes, especially as one of those teams beat you 4-0. Like I said, everyone seems to be a bad team when they've lost to England. Would Italy have beaten Belgium if Hazard was fit, and De Bruyne was fully fit? It's the way it goes. Sorry for the length of the post. I actually wish you all the best in WC qualifying, and would find it incredibly amusing if you beat that lot the wrong side of Hadrians Wall in a play-off (assuming Belgium win your group which of course isn't a given).
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Post by dai on Jul 12, 2021 11:16:41 GMT
Not advocating making fun of children, but 8 year old Prince George looks like a mini middle aged business man cheering on a horse at the gee-gee's.
Makes my nearly 7 year old daughter look like a mere toddler.
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Post by ae15 on Jul 12, 2021 11:36:55 GMT
England had a very good tournament and were one of the best teams in the competition without a doubt. Southgate has clearly done an excellent job of creating a much better environment in the camp, and there's far fewer egos than there were before. He just doesn't have that tactical nous that the best managers have at this level, and England really should have won, especially after getting their early lead. It felt very much like a repeat of the Croatia semi final for large parts, with England sacrificing the midfield and slowly but surely getting picked apart. Southgate is ensuring England don't implode like they used to, but I do feel he leaves them a bit short against the best sides.
While I didn't want England to win (I can't stand how their fans all moan about international football for two years then make out they have the best supporters in the world when they get to a tournament), we're not coming across as the most friendly bunch on this thread.
It's not an arrogant or English thing for players to take off their silver medals. Most players from every team from every country do it. They're devastated that they've just lost a final on penalties - in the future I'm sure they'll cherish those medals, but you can't expect them to be ecstatic to have them now.
While their draw was favourable, I don't see much point in complaining about it, because it's pot luck. I'm far more irritated that they managed to play 6 out of 7 games at Wembley, despite lots of other countries having to travel all across Europe all tournament. UEFA should never have allowed Wembley to host the Last 16 game when it was taken away from Dublin. It was a farce of a tournament, summed up by the fact that all four semi finalists played their group games at home. But there's no point getting annoyed at England for that. Italy probably had the second most favourable route in terms of travel, but we're not moaning about them winning.
I feel very sorry for the players who missed the penalties, and for the many decent England fans I know (especially the ones I know who watch most of the qualifiers and show an interest in internationals all year round). For me it's just a relief we don't have to suffer listening to their nauseating fans and media for the next year and a half (and probably 50 more).
Be wary though, they'll be back next year and they'll do well in Qatar. Hopefully some other international sides have got their act together by then.
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Post by insertname on Jul 12, 2021 11:41:55 GMT
Ethos of this Southgate team? Off the pitch some of the players are an inspiration but others still dive and cheat as much if not more than other teams, it’s a shit tactic to buy free kicks around the box. Their petulance when collecting the medals was embarrassing. Let’s not brush aside Southgate's WWII references after the Germany game either. Tedious and predictable. Italy showed a lot of self belief to come back into the game after a shaky start. They also showed a lot of class when their anthem was being heavily booed. Deserved winners but they should have killed England off in the second 45, it could have gone either way after full time. I hate this “they’re so likeable” bollocks. They have shithoused their way through the tournament, you could see how they struggled last night when their diving was sussed out and clamped down on. They had no outlet to build a platform with Kane getting sod all from the ref and the ball just kept coming back at them.
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Post by rangers15 on Jul 12, 2021 11:45:19 GMT
England had a very good tournament and were one of the best teams in the competition without a doubt. Southgate has clearly done an excellent job of creating a much better environment in the camp, and there's far fewer egos than there were before. He just doesn't have that tactical nous that the best managers have at this level, and England really should have won, especially after getting their early lead. It felt very much like a repeat of the Croatia semi final for large parts, with England sacrificing the midfield and slowly but surely getting picked apart. Southgate is ensuring England don't implode like they used to, but I do feel he leaves them a bit short against the best sides. While I didn't want England to win (I can't stand how their fans all moan about international football for two years then make out they have the best supporters in the world when they get to a tournament), we're not coming across as the most friendly bunch on this thread. It's not an arrogant or English thing for players to take off their silver medals. Most players from every team from every country do it. They're devastated that they've just lost a final on penalties - in the future I'm sure they'll cherish those medals, but you can't expect them to be ecstatic to have them now. While their draw was favourable, I don't see much point in complaining about it, because it's pot luck. I'm far more irritated that they managed to play 6 out of 7 games at Wembley, despite lots of other countries having to travel all across Europe all tournament. UEFA should never have allowed Wembley to host the Last 16 game when it was taken away from Dublin. It was a farce of a tournament, summed up by the fact that all four semi finalists played their group games at home. But there's no point getting annoyed at England for that. Italy probably had the second most favourable route in terms of travel, but we're not moaning about them winning. I feel very sorry for the players who missed the penalties, and for the many decent England fans I know (especially the ones I know who watch most of the qualifiers and show an interest in internationals all year round). For me it's just a relief we don't have to suffer listening to their nauseating fans and media for the next year and a half (and probably 50 more). Be wary though, they'll be back next year and they'll do well in Qatar. Hopefully some other international sides have got their act together by then. I haven't noticed other teams do this (might just be me though)... apart from some England players in the rugby world cup final. as I said, I actually understand it, but I personally don't think it is a good look. Agree with pretty much of your post though... their route to final was easier but that's not down to them. luck of the draw and all that. but to play all but 1 game at home when the tournament was spread across Europe was a bit of a farce.
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Post by msjohns on Jul 12, 2021 11:47:14 GMT
A few things to take from the Euros... The travelling and inconsistent travelling was shocking and can't happen again. Surely the goal should be to create a level playing field. Qualifying for the knockout stage after losing 2 and winning 1 waters down the knockout stage. The Nations League qualifying is interesting but it really brings down the quality of teams. Football isn't coming home. There’s 3 solutions 1. Make it 16 teams again 2. Make it 32 teams 3. The unfavourable but my personal choice. We have 10 groups In qualifying so just make it top 2 qualify with no playoffs and then we have 4 groups of 5 just like the rugby World Cup. That would really make the last 8 the cream of the crop. Keep it to 24 teams. Almost every team (apart from North Macedonia) still had a chance to qualify during the last round of group matches, so it keeps the excitement for most teams. The Rugby World Cup is so dreary and unfair, with so many dead-rubber matches and the uneveness of the groups meaning teams get a 'rest week' while others don't. The Nations League Qualifying places is fine, but why should North Macedonia get an easier chance of qualifying than Iceland? Pit the Nations League D teams against the Nations League A teams, and B v C.
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Post by marsvolta on Jul 12, 2021 11:55:08 GMT
England had a very good tournament and were one of the best teams in the competition without a doubt. Southgate has clearly done an excellent job of creating a much better environment in the camp, and there's far fewer egos than there were before. He just doesn't have that tactical nous that the best managers have at this level, and England really should have won, especially after getting their early lead. It felt very much like a repeat of the Croatia semi final for large parts, with England sacrificing the midfield and slowly but surely getting picked apart. Southgate is ensuring England don't implode like they used to, but I do feel he leaves them a bit short against the best sides. While I didn't want England to win (I can't stand how their fans all moan about international football for two years then make out they have the best supporters in the world when they get to a tournament), we're not coming across as the most friendly bunch on this thread. It's not an arrogant or English thing for players to take off their silver medals. Most players from every team from every country do it. They're devastated that they've just lost a final on penalties - in the future I'm sure they'll cherish those medals, but you can't expect them to be ecstatic to have them now. While their draw was favourable, I don't see much point in complaining about it, because it's pot luck. I'm far more irritated that they managed to play 6 out of 7 games at Wembley, despite lots of other countries having to travel all across Europe all tournament. UEFA should never have allowed Wembley to host the Last 16 game when it was taken away from Dublin. It was a farce of a tournament, summed up by the fact that all four semi finalists played their group games at home. But there's no point getting annoyed at England for that. Italy probably had the second most favourable route in terms of travel, but we're not moaning about them winning. I feel very sorry for the players who missed the penalties, and for the many decent England fans I know (especially the ones I know who watch most of the qualifiers and show an interest in internationals all year round). For me it's just a relief we don't have to suffer listening to their nauseating fans and media for the next year and a half (and probably 50 more). Be wary though, they'll be back next year and they'll do well in Qatar. Hopefully some other international sides have got their act together by then. Re your comment about Italy having a decent route to the final in terms of venues,that’s the point people are making,the two teams that had the most favourable routes in terms of travel and playing games at home,made the final. For some reason, Wales fans pointing out the huge disparity of the venues, travel and draw has somehow been framed as Wales fans sour grapes for losing 4-0 to Denmark. Just about every Wales fan I know agrees that Denmark were the worthy winners and have no complaints about that, they are just frustrated watching full stadiums when we all had to sit at home.
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Post by dai on Jul 12, 2021 11:58:24 GMT
England had a very good tournament and were one of the best teams in the competition without a doubt. Southgate has clearly done an excellent job of creating a much better environment in the camp, and there's far fewer egos than there were before. He just doesn't have that tactical nous that the best managers have at this level, and England really should have won, especially after getting their early lead. It felt very much like a repeat of the Croatia semi final for large parts, with England sacrificing the midfield and slowly but surely getting picked apart. Southgate is ensuring England don't implode like they used to, but I do feel he leaves them a bit short against the best sides. While I didn't want England to win (I can't stand how their fans all moan about international football for two years then make out they have the best supporters in the world when they get to a tournament), we're not coming across as the most friendly bunch on this thread.
It's not an arrogant or English thing for players to take off their silver medals. Most players from every team from every country do it. They're devastated that they've just lost a final on penalties - in the future I'm sure they'll cherish those medals, but you can't expect them to be ecstatic to have them now.While their draw was favourable, I don't see much point in complaining about it, because it's pot luck. I'm far more irritated that they managed to play 6 out of 7 games at Wembley, despite lots of other countries having to travel all across Europe all tournament. UEFA should never have allowed Wembley to host the Last 16 game when it was taken away from Dublin. It was a farce of a tournament, summed up by the fact that all four semi finalists played their group games at home. But there's no point getting annoyed at England for that. Italy probably had the second most favourable route in terms of travel, but we're not moaning about them winning. I feel very sorry for the players who missed the penalties, and for the many decent England fans I know (especially the ones I know who watch most of the qualifiers and show an interest in internationals all year round). For me it's just a relief we don't have to suffer listening to their nauseating fans and media for the next year and a half (and probably 50 more). Be wary though, they'll be back next year and they'll do well in Qatar. Hopefully some other international sides have got their act together by then. Regarding not coming across as the most friendly bunch, who cares? Italy's players shithousing by singing and saying 'its coming to rome' shows how insufferable England are to everyone, not just us. You don't hear other teams bang on about how 'its going to be our year', 'we deserve this' etc etc. Having to live next door to that and having to listen to it non-stop is bloody nauseating, no wonder we're coming across as a bitter, unfriendly bunch!! Regarding the medals, I actually checked a few clips of past ceremonies, I've only watched 4-5 of the last Euros/WC's and I haven't seen a single team taking off their medals. Look how Croatia conducted themselves in the WC 3 years ago - a lesson in grace and humility for England.
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Post by fiveattheback on Jul 12, 2021 12:00:19 GMT
Seeing a lot of stuff about how they'll be favourites in Qatar/win it etc. They're a good side but they'll need a major rethink if they're to win in Qatar. They've had two favourable runs in the past two tournaments and that luck won't hold forever, once they come up against a top team the weaknesses of playing 7 defensive players are brutally exposed and the ball just keeps coming back at them. I thought Phillips & Rice were excellent but there's only so much they can do when the ball keeps coming back at them.
The plan is fairly obvious, sit back and bring on attackers late on. That worked against Germany (though if Werner/Muller taken their chances its a different conversation) but its not a sustainable way to play football, as evidenced by the lack of chances created last night and the general lack of shots on goal from them at this tournament. I watched England against Croatia, Scotland, Germany, Italy and bits of the Denmark game and I'm yet to see this marvellous side playing with great verve the BBC kept telling us about
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Post by insertname on Jul 12, 2021 12:08:30 GMT
Also our English friends are conspicuous by their absence. Funny how they celebrate winning by posting on Welsh forums but celebrate losing by staying silent. Whatever happened tonight I’ve definitely not been bumping my gums anywhere but on a Welsh football forum. Morning gents I was told I wasn't welcome, was unhinged, attention seeking, desperate for love etc, so I couldn't be bothered. However, I couldn't resist coming and having a browse at the comments this morning, and they didn't disappoint To be honest, it was a pretty horrible day in many ways - the atmosphere at Wembley outside was "lively" and not in a nice way - why do people get so intoxicated they can hardly walk 3 hours before kick off? I can't get my head around it. I am sick and tired off being dragged down by moronic, boorish morons who make me constantly feel the need to apologise for being English when I am abroad (and on this occassion, at home). I am fiercely proud to be English, and show my patriotism by being a good ambassador for my country. I wish these "people" would stop associating themselves with the national team. Re the issue of ticketing though, it was mainly local rude boys trying to get in without tickets, and not really england "fans" - most of them wouldn't know who our next opponents are, let alone bother to watch it on TV, they were just local chavs. Some prick tried to follow me in to the ground - f*** off was the nicest thing I said to him. Re booing anthems, just close the ground for a game, then it'll stop. Simple. That said, if you ever go to Hampden for an England game, that lot make us look polite, so it has to be consistently applied. And if you think we are the only team to do it, then your one-eyed bias has gone to new levels. Now for the game............let's move on! I've said for a while now, the tactics are too defensive, but whilst we were winning, Southgate was right, and I was wrong. Southgate does seem to learn though, and I think overall, it's been an amazing ride - beating Germany (don't forget a terrible Germany, who'd just gubbed a terrible Portugal)was something I will never forget. Not having this narrative about easy draws etc etc. That does come across a little as sour grapes, especially as one of those teams beat you 4-0. Like I said, everyone seems to be a bad team when they've lost to England. Would Italy have beaten Belgium if Hazard was fit, and De Bruyne was fully fit? It's the way it goes. Sorry for the length of the post. I actually wish you all the best in WC qualifying, and would find it incredibly amusing if you beat that lot the wrong side of Hadrians Wall in a play-off (assuming Belgium win your group which of course isn't a given). The thing is this behaviour is so squarely English it even has it’s own name “Little Englander”, you don’t hear about “little Walesers” or “little scotlanders” smashing up their stadium and anyone within swinging distance just because you can’t take losing. You’ll never get rid of these people because there is something in your national psyche regarding superiority over others that needs to be appeased and from what we saw yesterday it’s being passed down through the generations. A sort of colonial mindset that needs to be exorcised by fighting, looking down on others and general boorish and small minded behaviour. That’s why we can’t banter with you, because most of you lot aren’t normal, humble fans. I think it’s a shame personally, I always tend to think the home nations are better working together than divided, even in sport. But us Welsh are only united with Scotland in our dislike of you lot! We’re not going to agree on the quality of opposition you lot faced either I don’t think. Even the most one eyed English man has to admit there was something of a gulf in class in the way that England weren’t able to keep and use the ball, especially with Harry Kane unable even to buy a free kick. For all your talent it was like England went back a few years last night. But that’s exactly how tournaments tend to play out: stronger sides knock the weaker ones out and that was always the danger with England when they came up against a technically excellent side who can shift the ball about with metronomic precision. England haven’t got near playing football like that in this tournament. It’s been defensive and functional. You say Germany battered Portugal, why did you omit that Germany also needed a late goal to draw with Hungary? And also lost to North Macedonia at home in March? You have plucked a single result out of the air to suit your argument when there is a bigger body of work that clearly indicates this iteration of the Germany team is finished. You had to defend against Timo Werner, case closed. Ukraine has been done to death- shouldn’t have even been in the quarters. And yes Denmark beat us in a home game for them but that goes back to my point earlier about stronger sides knocking the others out: the Danes are not really at England’s level when they had to start making subs. The quality dropped off sharply and they playing for penalties from the 60th minute in the same way that you were last night. Getting to a final is a good experience, but I think you’ll have trouble repeating that feat if Southgate tries to sneak through a tournament again relying on defence. Let’s be honest, on the evidence last night would England have got to the final if their route was Austria, Belgium and Spain? An emphatic no from me, not the way they currently play. My worry is that England could be so much better if they ditched Southgate and tried to utilise their attacking midfielders more and played on the front foot. Still, fair play for coming back and fronting up, can’t have been easy after the shameful scenes last night.
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Post by marsvolta on Jul 12, 2021 12:09:29 GMT
Also our English friends are conspicuous by their absence. Funny how they celebrate winning by posting on Welsh forums but celebrate losing by staying silent. Whatever happened tonight I’ve definitely not been bumping my gums anywhere but on a Welsh football forum. Morning gents I was told I wasn't welcome, was unhinged, attention seeking, desperate for love etc, so I couldn't be bothered. However, I couldn't resist coming and having a browse at the comments this morning, and they didn't disappoint To be honest, it was a pretty horrible day in many ways - the atmosphere at Wembley outside was "lively" and not in a nice way - why do people get so intoxicated they can hardly walk 3 hours before kick off? I can't get my head around it. I am sick and tired off being dragged down by moronic, boorish morons who make me constantly feel the need to apologise for being English when I am abroad (and on this occassion, at home). I am fiercely proud to be English, and show my patriotism by being a good ambassador for my country. I wish these "people" would stop associating themselves with the national team. Re the issue of ticketing though, it was mainly local rude boys trying to get in without tickets, and not really england "fans" - most of them wouldn't know who our next opponents are, let alone bother to watch it on TV, they were just local chavs. Some prick tried to follow me in to the ground - f*** off was the nicest thing I said to him. Re booing anthems, just close the ground for a game, then it'll stop. Simple. That said, if you ever go to Hampden for an England game, that lot make us look polite, so it has to be consistently applied. And if you think we are the only team to do it, then your one-eyed bias has gone to new levels. Now for the game............let's move on! I've said for a while now, the tactics are too defensive, but whilst we were winning, Southgate was right, and I was wrong. Southgate does seem to learn though, and I think overall, it's been an amazing ride - beating Germany (don't forget a terrible Germany, who'd just gubbed a terrible Portugal)was something I will never forget. Not having this narrative about easy draws etc etc. That does come across a little as sour grapes, especially as one of those teams beat you 4-0. Like I said, everyone seems to be a bad team when they've lost to England. Would Italy have beaten Belgium if Hazard was fit, and De Bruyne was fully fit? It's the way it goes. Sorry for the length of the post. I actually wish you all the best in WC qualifying, and would find it incredibly amusing if you beat that lot the wrong side of Hadrians Wall in a play-off (assuming Belgium win your group which of course isn't a given). I agree that England do get unfairly criticised on some points. Every team has some poorly behaved fans, every team has idiot minorities and England are no way the only country to boo the anthems but it is often made out to be an English problem. I hope you don’t feel unwelcome on here, in general we have no problem with genuine England fans. It’s just the ones who come on here and register a new account to spit out a pile of trolling before disappearing who we have a problem with. Don’t agree with you about the draw though. It was by far the easiest with Spain, Italy, France and Belgium in the other half. Not your fault, it’s the luck of the draw. Better to celebrate your good fortune rather than pretend it was tougher than it was.
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Post by saints19 on Jul 12, 2021 12:13:38 GMT
Also our English friends are conspicuous by their absence. Funny how they celebrate winning by posting on Welsh forums but celebrate losing by staying silent. Whatever happened tonight I’ve definitely not been bumping my gums anywhere but on a Welsh football forum. Morning gents I was told I wasn't welcome, was unhinged, attention seeking, desperate for love etc, so I couldn't be bothered. However, I couldn't resist coming and having a browse at the comments this morning, and they didn't disappoint To be honest, it was a pretty horrible day in many ways - the atmosphere at Wembley outside was "lively" and not in a nice way - why do people get so intoxicated they can hardly walk 3 hours before kick off? I can't get my head around it. I am sick and tired off being dragged down by moronic, boorish morons who make me constantly feel the need to apologise for being English when I am abroad (and on this occassion, at home). I am fiercely proud to be English, and show my patriotism by being a good ambassador for my country. I wish these "people" would stop associating themselves with the national team. Re the issue of ticketing though, it was mainly local rude boys trying to get in without tickets, and not really england "fans" - most of them wouldn't know who our next opponents are, let alone bother to watch it on TV, they were just local chavs. Some prick tried to follow me in to the ground - f*** off was the nicest thing I said to him. Re booing anthems, just close the ground for a game, then it'll stop. Simple. That said, if you ever go to Hampden for an England game, that lot make us look polite, so it has to be consistently applied. And if you think we are the only team to do it, then your one-eyed bias has gone to new levels. Now for the game............let's move on! I've said for a while now, the tactics are too defensive, but whilst we were winning, Southgate was right, and I was wrong. Southgate does seem to learn though, and I think overall, it's been an amazing ride - beating Germany (don't forget a terrible Germany, who'd just gubbed a terrible Portugal)was something I will never forget. Not having this narrative about easy draws etc etc. That does come across a little as sour grapes, especially as one of those teams beat you 4-0. Like I said, everyone seems to be a bad team when they've lost to England. Would Italy have beaten Belgium if Hazard was fit, and De Bruyne was fully fit? It's the way it goes. Sorry for the length of the post. I actually wish you all the best in WC qualifying, and would find it incredibly amusing if you beat that lot the wrong side of Hadrians Wall in a play-off (assuming Belgium win your group which of course isn't a given). Good post, I'm glad Italy won for the reasons I said before but I do have some genuine sympathy for the decent English fans. Met some English fans on a train to Bordeaux at the last Euros and they were decent guys. A shame a minority of "fans" keep ruining England's reputation with their thuggish behaviour following England.
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Post by insertname on Jul 12, 2021 12:15:15 GMT
Seeing a lot of stuff about how they'll be favourites in Qatar/win it etc. They're a good side but they'll need a major rethink if they're to win in Qatar. They've had two favourable runs in the past two tournaments and that luck won't hold forever, once they come up against a top team the weaknesses of playing 7 defensive players are brutally exposed and the ball just keeps coming back at them. I thought Phillips & Rice were excellent but there's only so much they can do when the ball keeps coming back at them. The plan is fairly obvious, sit back and bring on attackers late on. That worked against Germany (though if Werner/Muller taken their chances its a different conversation) but its not a sustainable way to play football, as evidenced by the lack of chances created last night and the general lack of shots on goal from them at this tournament. I watched England against Croatia, Scotland, Germany, Italy and bits of the Denmark game and I'm yet to see this marvellous side playing with great verve the BBC kept telling us about You wouldn’t call any England game game of the tournament because their brand of football is such that it can only be exciting if you’re supporting them. They also lack the high level of technical ability that was on display in the Spain v Italy and Italy v Belgium games, the two games that had the highest standard of quality, if not excitement. As such I’ll always hold my hand up and admit when I feel I’ve seen good football- I’ve never been in any danger of having to do that with England and it’s somewhat surprising when you see the pacy attacking talent they have. look at their squad and then frame that against the actual narrative they created of a team that never scored further out than the penalty spot and were often one paced, one dimensional and very defensive. You just wouldn’t believe it unless you had watched the games.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jul 12, 2021 14:33:32 GMT
England were one of the best teams at the tournament to be fair. Yet another tournament where we saw the gap bridged between the top teams and the chasing pack. Denmark in a semi, Czech knocking out Dutch, Swiss knocking out France
I can't argue that England deserved to be finalists, however they may have gone out very early if they had to take Italy's route to the final
Portugal, Belgium, France, Spain all have the nuts to beat that English team as well as Italy. In a World Cup you have to say that Brazil, Argentina & Uruguay probably also do. So I don't think we really have to worry about England that much
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Post by britten22 on Jul 12, 2021 16:14:32 GMT
Morning gents I was told I wasn't welcome, was unhinged, attention seeking, desperate for love etc, so I couldn't be bothered. However, I couldn't resist coming and having a browse at the comments this morning, and they didn't disappoint To be honest, it was a pretty horrible day in many ways - the atmosphere at Wembley outside was "lively" and not in a nice way - why do people get so intoxicated they can hardly walk 3 hours before kick off? I can't get my head around it. I am sick and tired off being dragged down by moronic, boorish morons who make me constantly feel the need to apologise for being English when I am abroad (and on this occassion, at home). I am fiercely proud to be English, and show my patriotism by being a good ambassador for my country. I wish these "people" would stop associating themselves with the national team. Re the issue of ticketing though, it was mainly local rude boys trying to get in without tickets, and not really england "fans" - most of them wouldn't know who our next opponents are, let alone bother to watch it on TV, they were just local chavs. Some prick tried to follow me in to the ground - f*** off was the nicest thing I said to him. Re booing anthems, just close the ground for a game, then it'll stop. Simple. That said, if you ever go to Hampden for an England game, that lot make us look polite, so it has to be consistently applied. And if you think we are the only team to do it, then your one-eyed bias has gone to new levels. Now for the game............let's move on! I've said for a while now, the tactics are too defensive, but whilst we were winning, Southgate was right, and I was wrong. Southgate does seem to learn though, and I think overall, it's been an amazing ride - beating Germany (don't forget a terrible Germany, who'd just gubbed a terrible Portugal)was something I will never forget. Not having this narrative about easy draws etc etc. That does come across a little as sour grapes, especially as one of those teams beat you 4-0. Like I said, everyone seems to be a bad team when they've lost to England. Would Italy have beaten Belgium if Hazard was fit, and De Bruyne was fully fit? It's the way it goes. Sorry for the length of the post. I actually wish you all the best in WC qualifying, and would find it incredibly amusing if you beat that lot the wrong side of Hadrians Wall in a play-off (assuming Belgium win your group which of course isn't a given). I agree that England do get unfairly criticised on some points. Every team has some poorly behaved fans, every team has idiot minorities and England are no way the only country to boo the anthems but it is often made out to be an English problem. I hope you don’t feel unwelcome on here, in general we have no problem with genuine England fans. It’s just the ones who come on here and register a new account to spit out a pile of trolling before disappearing who we have a problem with. Don’t agree with you about the draw though. It was by far the easiest with Spain, Italy, France and Belgium in the other half. Not your fault, it’s the luck of the draw. Better to celebrate your good fortune rather than pretend it was tougher than it was. Ummmm It's (or should be) banter. I remember being invited into a pub full of Jocks after the 2-2 game in 2017 at Hampden (now that was an atmosphere!) and it's good natured pantomime. I think it is going slightly unnoticed how Italy played Belgium, minus their two best players (although, De Bruyne was on the pitch, he wasn't fit), after playing Austria, and were pretty outplayed (I thought) by Spain.
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Post by insertname on Jul 12, 2021 16:29:24 GMT
England were one of the best teams at the tournament to be fair. Yet another tournament where we saw the gap bridged between the top teams and the chasing pack. Denmark in a semi, Czech knocking out Dutch, Swiss knocking out France I can't argue that England deserved to be finalists, however they may have gone out very early if they had to take Italy's route to the final Portugal, Belgium, France, Spain all have the nuts to beat that English team as well as Italy. In a World Cup you have to say that Brazil, Argentina & Uruguay probably also do. So I don't think we really have to worry about England that much I’m not sure about this narrative that England were the second best side. Italy had 71% possession last night and yet they had a hard time getting the ball off Spain. There was a passage of play where Chiesa came inside, passed it, looped round the player, received it back, spread it out to the far side and got involved in three or four more passes before it got shifted back again. It was so precise, intricate and pleasing on the eye and it struck me that for all the talk of this England side I’ve not seen them play patterns of such technical intricacy. They are functional and boring but perhaps have the players to be so much better….but no, not the second best team for me. They rode their luck of a home tournament that was set up to ensure they had as much advantage as possible in terms of the schedule and also the fortune of Sweden’s late goal against Poland creating a schism in the fixture list.
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Post by biwmares on Jul 12, 2021 16:38:00 GMT
Southgate & the coaching staff I thought messed up big time by not playing Sancho earlier he is a far better player than Mount. Many decent English people & supporters but the media are clowns like that Shearer,Ferdinand, Neville & Wright & really should not rubbish the opposition & just think they have the divine right to win by just turning up.
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Post by turkpower on Jul 12, 2021 17:13:28 GMT
I love the schadenfreude on here
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Post by gwernybwch on Jul 12, 2021 17:18:41 GMT
Also our English friends are conspicuous by their absence. Funny how they celebrate winning by posting on Welsh forums but celebrate losing by staying silent. Whatever happened tonight I’ve definitely not been bumping my gums anywhere but on a Welsh football forum. Morning gents I was told I wasn't welcome, was unhinged, attention seeking, desperate for love etc, so I couldn't be bothered. However, I couldn't resist coming and having a browse at the comments this morning, and they didn't disappoint To be honest, it was a pretty horrible day in many ways - the atmosphere at Wembley outside was "lively" and not in a nice way - why do people get so intoxicated they can hardly walk 3 hours before kick off? I can't get my head around it. I am sick and tired off being dragged down by moronic, boorish morons who make me constantly feel the need to apologise for being English when I am abroad (and on this occassion, at home). I am fiercely proud to be English, and show my patriotism by being a good ambassador for my country. I wish these "people" would stop associating themselves with the national team. I actually feel sorry for genuine England fans. I met a few tidy ones in Lille and Lens in 2016. If I had to go through what they went through to support their country, I'd have gone and found myself a new hobby long ago. Hope that you stick around on the forum, always good to read an alternative view.
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Post by msjohns on Jul 12, 2021 18:43:34 GMT
Morning gents I was told I wasn't welcome, was unhinged, attention seeking, desperate for love etc, so I couldn't be bothered. However, I couldn't resist coming and having a browse at the comments this morning, and they didn't disappoint To be honest, it was a pretty horrible day in many ways - the atmosphere at Wembley outside was "lively" and not in a nice way - why do people get so intoxicated they can hardly walk 3 hours before kick off? I can't get my head around it. I am sick and tired off being dragged down by moronic, boorish morons who make me constantly feel the need to apologise for being English when I am abroad (and on this occassion, at home). I am fiercely proud to be English, and show my patriotism by being a good ambassador for my country. I wish these "people" would stop associating themselves with the national team. I actually feel sorry for genuine England fans. I met a few tidy ones in Lille and Lens in 2016. If I had to go through what they went through to support their country, I'd have gone and found myself a new hobby long ago. Hope that you stick around on the forum, always good to read an alternative view. I don't feel that sorry for England fans. Sure, they feel disappointed not to win, but with a few exceptions, they qualify for almost every tournament in my lifetime, their fans have travelled to tournaments across Europe and World Cups in Mexico, Japan/Korea, South Africa and Brazil, they usually progress through the group stages when they get there, and they have so many great memories to look back on, while we have only had two tournaments in recent times. They should appreciate just how good it has been.
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Post by welwyn on Jul 12, 2021 18:52:53 GMT
Had to pick a team of the tournament:
Sommer
Walker Kjaer Chiellini
Maehle Jorginho Pedri Shaw
Chiesa Schick Sterling
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Post by welshrover on Jul 12, 2021 19:54:35 GMT
Had to pick a team of the tournament: Sommer Walker Kjaer Chiellini Maehle Jorginho Pedri Shaw Chiesa Schick Sterling To be fair only really watched our games but from the bits of other games I saw I would find a place for the Swedish forward, Izak was his name?
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Post by morg on Jul 12, 2021 20:06:19 GMT
Honourable mentions for
Spinazzola Busquets Pogba
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jul 12, 2021 20:43:42 GMT
Had to pick a team of the tournament: Sommer Walker Kjaer Chiellini Maehle Jorginho Pedri Shaw Chiesa Schick Sterling Pretty spot on to what I'd pick I think I'd go for Ward in goals, Spinazzola at LWB, and maybe Lukaku up front instead of Schick, but all those you mentioned were also great
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Post by welshrover on Jul 12, 2021 20:43:59 GMT
Honourable mentions for Spinazzola Busquets Pogba And of course Rashford Sako Sancho. Without these three quality players the unthinkable may have happened!
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Post by dai on Jul 12, 2021 22:32:05 GMT
Maybe not the best players overall, but these are players I enjoyed watching play.
Donnaruma
Spinazzola - Kjaer - Chielini - Shaw
Delaney - Xhaka
Forsberg
Chiesa - Schick - Damsgaard
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jul 13, 2021 10:29:31 GMT
Official team of the tournament:
Donnarumma
Walker Bonucci Maguire Spinazzola
Højbjerg Jorginho Pedri
Chiesa Lukaku Sterling
Schick, Phillips and Shaw could feel very hard done by. Even Ronaldo. Lukaku being there is a bit of a joke considering he hides in big games.
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Post by cynonvalley on Jul 17, 2021 16:15:18 GMT
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