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Post by richierich333 on Dec 18, 2019 9:51:20 GMT
Another player listed on DS. Can anyone shed some light on this kid who has already turned out for the first team and received high praise from Bielsa.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 11:53:31 GMT
Is he qualified? Seems to be only one quote online suggesting possible links on his mother's side, from a former coach.
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Post by bale-droed on Dec 18, 2019 12:59:42 GMT
This is from May...https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-scout-leeds-united-wonderkid-16311598
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Post by allezlesrouges on Dec 18, 2019 15:48:58 GMT
Not in our youth system, which would be unusual if he was interested in representing us.
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Post by biwmares on Dec 18, 2019 23:34:48 GMT
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Post by chislenko on Dec 18, 2019 23:59:40 GMT
Does he have a brother called Rustle Davies!
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Post by allezlesrouges on Dec 19, 2019 8:17:35 GMT
Also his surname is Davis, not Davies unfortunately!
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Post by quetzal on Dec 19, 2019 9:42:23 GMT
Not sure about the Geordies playing for us. Once bitten twice shy. Paul Dummett a disaster
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Post by manulike on Jan 14, 2020 23:38:44 GMT
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jan 15, 2020 0:04:32 GMT
Read before "links on his Mum's side". No confirmation of whether he has chosen to represent us though?
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Post by cadno on Jan 15, 2020 17:23:02 GMT
Not eligible according to DS website.
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Post by georgeberrysheadband on Jan 15, 2020 20:42:31 GMT
Bryn Law confirmed his ineligibility on Twitter earlier on
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Post by bale-droed on Jan 17, 2020 4:13:11 GMT
This reminds me a lot of the Gary Hooper debacle
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Post by marsvolta on Jan 17, 2020 12:04:43 GMT
There’s no debacle.
There was rumours that he was eligible from a coach who had worked with him, it was checked out and it was found that he wasn’t eligible.
I’m sure there have been loads of similar instances that we don’t get to hear about.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 13:02:56 GMT
There’s no debacle. There was rumours that he was eligible from a coach who had worked with him, it was checked out and it was found that he wasn’t eligible. I’m sure there have been loads of similar instances that we don’t get to hear about. Jarrod Bowen comes up at least once a year.
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Post by bale-droed on Jan 17, 2020 13:24:04 GMT
There’s no debacle. There was rumours that he was eligible from a coach who had worked with him, it was checked out and it was found that he wasn’t eligible. I’m sure there have been loads of similar instances that we don’t get to hear about. Jarrod Bowen comes up at least once a year. Correct.... and Will Hughes
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Post by bale-droed on Jan 17, 2020 13:25:10 GMT
There’s no debacle. There was rumours that he was eligible from a coach who had worked with him, it was checked out and it was found that he wasn’t eligible. I’m sure there have been loads of similar instances that we don’t get to hear about. This isn’t just the last few days this is something that has gone on for months
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Post by marsvolta on Jan 17, 2020 13:54:29 GMT
There’s no debacle. There was rumours that he was eligible from a coach who had worked with him, it was checked out and it was found that he wasn’t eligible. I’m sure there have been loads of similar instances that we don’t get to hear about. This isn’t just the last few days this is something that has gone on for months However long it’s gone on for, the main points are still the same. Rumours of eligibility Checks done Found not to be eligible Just because it takes longer for some players eligibility checks than others doesn’t make it a debacle. The David Johnson situation in the late 90s/early 2000, now that’s a debacle.
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Post by fiveattheback on Jan 17, 2020 15:24:34 GMT
There’s no debacle. There was rumours that he was eligible from a coach who had worked with him, it was checked out and it was found that he wasn’t eligible. I’m sure there have been loads of similar instances that we don’t get to hear about. Jarrod Bowen comes up at least once a year. We can blame Football Manager for that one
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 16:19:30 GMT
Jarrod Bowen comes up at least once a year. We can blame Football Manager for that one I do the Swansea data for them and have had a moan about it a few times. Think it's fixed now. Usually more trouble getting them to add Welsh nationality to players (the Pearson brothers at Bristol recently) and count our age group players as declared for us (which technically they're not as they can still switch but none do these days, we're not Ireland).
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Post by iot on Jan 17, 2020 17:46:38 GMT
We can blame Football Manager for that one I do the Swansea data for them and have had a moan about it a few times. Think it's fixed now. Usually more trouble getting them to add Welsh nationality to players (the Pearson brothers at Bristol recently) and count our age group players as declared for us (which technically they're not as they can still switch but none do these days, we're not Ireland). What do you mean 'you do the Swansea data for them'? Is that just providing basic details, or do you come up with the player rating stuff too?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 17:58:38 GMT
I do the Swansea data for them and have had a moan about it a few times. Think it's fixed now. Usually more trouble getting them to add Welsh nationality to players (the Pearson brothers at Bristol recently) and count our age group players as declared for us (which technically they're not as they can still switch but none do these days, we're not Ireland). What do you mean 'you do the Swansea data for them'? Is that just providing basic details, or do you come up with the player rating stuff too? I do the ratings, yes, as well as all the basic (and not so basic) biographical stuff in their database.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jan 17, 2020 18:54:24 GMT
We can blame Football Manager for that one I do the Swansea data for them and have had a moan about it a few times. Think it's fixed now. Usually more trouble getting them to add Welsh nationality to players (the Pearson brothers at Bristol recently) and count our age group players as declared for us (which technically they're not as they can still switch but none do these days, we're not Ireland). I remember playing it a couple of years ago thinking that a Cymru save would be good fun given all the young players at our disposal. But I found that Ampadu, Brooks, Woodburn, T.Roberts and Matondo had all been listed as English with us as a 'second' nationality. You couldn't convince them to declare for us because they harboured hopes of reaching the England first team and would reject Cymru well into their mid-twenties, despite never getting picked for England. So frustrating especially since they were all getting senior caps for us in real life around that time!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 19:31:53 GMT
I do the Swansea data for them and have had a moan about it a few times. Think it's fixed now. Usually more trouble getting them to add Welsh nationality to players (the Pearson brothers at Bristol recently) and count our age group players as declared for us (which technically they're not as they can still switch but none do these days, we're not Ireland). I remember playing it a couple of years ago thinking that a Cymru save would be good fun given all the young players at our disposal. But I found that Ampadu, Brooks, Woodburn, T.Roberts and Matondo had all been listed as English with us as a 'second' nationality. You couldn't convince them to declare for us because they harboured hopes of reaching the England first team and would reject Cymru well into their mid-twenties, despite never getting picked for England. So frustrating especially since they were all getting senior caps for us in real life around that time! I made sure when I had Robbie Burton's place of birth corrected that they set him as declared for Wales (he was previously down as Wales only). Until they get a full cap obviously they can still jump ship but our development pathway has proven to be pretty airtight even for the extremely talented players who could realistically play for England one day. Brooks flip-flopped a bit but we got him in the end. Matt Smith another one who wouldn't consider playing for Wales in previous games. Brennan Johnson I've had words about.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jan 17, 2020 21:58:57 GMT
I remember playing it a couple of years ago thinking that a Cymru save would be good fun given all the young players at our disposal. But I found that Ampadu, Brooks, Woodburn, T.Roberts and Matondo had all been listed as English with us as a 'second' nationality. You couldn't convince them to declare for us because they harboured hopes of reaching the England first team and would reject Cymru well into their mid-twenties, despite never getting picked for England. So frustrating especially since they were all getting senior caps for us in real life around that time! I made sure when I had Robbie Burton's place of birth corrected that they set him as declared for Wales (he was previously down as Wales only). Until they get a full cap obviously they can still jump ship but our development pathway has proven to be pretty airtight even for the extremely talented players who could realistically play for England one day. Brooks flip-flopped a bit but we got him in the end. Matt Smith another one who wouldn't consider playing for Wales in previous games. Brennan Johnson I've had words about. Especially considering Brennan has publicly stated his loyalties to us. It seems there is a bit of an 'English until declared otherwise' mentality to it in a lot of cases.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 22:26:48 GMT
I made sure when I had Robbie Burton's place of birth corrected that they set him as declared for Wales (he was previously down as Wales only). Until they get a full cap obviously they can still jump ship but our development pathway has proven to be pretty airtight even for the extremely talented players who could realistically play for England one day. Brooks flip-flopped a bit but we got him in the end. Matt Smith another one who wouldn't consider playing for Wales in previous games. Brennan Johnson I've had words about. Especially considering Brennan has publicly stated his loyalties to us. It seems there is a bit of an 'English until declared otherwise' mentality to it in a lot of cases. It comes down to players in the game being coded to always want to play for the club/country with the highest reputation they think they can, and England are (supposedly) better than Wales. Most of these players were born in England as well, so unless a researcher is on the ball and makes a specific note of it, things tend to automatically work out that way.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jan 18, 2020 11:28:29 GMT
Especially considering Brennan has publicly stated his loyalties to us. It seems there is a bit of an 'English until declared otherwise' mentality to it in a lot of cases. It comes down to players in the game being coded to always want to play for the club/country with the highest reputation they think they can, and England are (supposedly) better than Wales. Most of these players were born in England as well, so unless a researcher is on the ball and makes a specific note of it, things tend to automatically work out that way. That makes sense I suppose, especially for a database of that size. It's probably impossible to do it any other way by and large. It completely factors out identity and heritage though, and probably results in big country monopolies on players most of the time.
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