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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 14, 2022 21:21:54 GMT
We played well but I'm not sure we ever looked like winning the game. Draw was a fair result. I've overreacted a bit tbf, pissed off to concede like that against the Dutch again ffs. World Cup group will be very tough. I'm far more confident about the World Cup after these last few games. We have enough to get out of that group Me too, these teams are a level above Iran & USA, and I daresay England |
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Post by iot on Jun 14, 2022 21:22:06 GMT
We looked like we could beat a giant side just 3 days ago... We played well but I'm not sure we ever looked like winning the game. Draw was a fair result. I've overreacted a bit tbf, pissed off to concede like that against the Dutch again ffs. World Cup group will be very tough. Agreed that a draw was the fair result, but for the first 20-30 minutes we were much the better team and were so unlucky with the disallowed goal. Had that not been disallowed, it could have been another special night! I'm just proud of how competitive we've been against some of the best sides in the world, and only once with a team close to resembling our starting eleven. I think we've made massive strides since the Euros. For me, it all started with that game in Prague where we settled on this new system. The difference between our two performances against Belgium since then and the one at the start of the WC campaign shows how far we've come over the last year. |
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Post by dai on Jun 14, 2022 21:24:15 GMT
Are we now the worst placed team in league A?
Cant believe we’ve lost 3 games where we deserved a draw.
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Post by melynwy on Jun 14, 2022 21:25:10 GMT
Agreed, blaming the ref is just such an easy go-to. I thought it was a fairly soft penalty to be honest, and I saw plenty of rough challenges from our side. If the ref had not called for a penalty, I'm pretty certain VAR wouldn't have intervened Soft? An elbow to the head is soft? The Dutch had 2 dismissed and rightly so - they weren't penalties. Davies' arm is tucked in and there's no real contact from Roberts Exactly. The ref was correctly making big calls in our favour. |
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Post by jackanapes on Jun 14, 2022 21:25:38 GMT
Perspective needed. We played well with a mix and match team and almost got a draw against the Dutch for the second time in a week. Giving those late winners away is horrendous, but I guarantee the players will be hurting far more than us fans. They’ve absolutely slogged their guts out over the last fortnight with many of them virtually running on empty.
The Dutch will always be technically superior to us and have far more depth, but at no time in my life could a weakened Welsh side compete with them. We’ve put in two decent performances and there was a lot more potential in both performances. Our counter attacks have been let down by the final ball and a lack of developed understanding between our newer players. Look at some of the attempted quick passes to James and Johnson today. If they come off the Dutch are in trouble.
This team is growing and Page is doing a great job of balancing youth and experience. I hope Ramsey gets a good move because we need him on top form over the next couple of years. I’d fancy our first team to finally break our duck against the Dutch in the world cup!
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Post by cadno on Jun 14, 2022 21:27:23 GMT
We played well but I'm not sure we ever looked like winning the game. Draw was a fair result. I've overreacted a bit tbf, pissed off to concede like that against the Dutch again ffs. World Cup group will be very tough. I'm far more confident about the World Cup after these last few games. We have enough to get out of that group If we have everyone available then we can give USA and Iran a game, but I can see those games being close and us losing both easily too. Not confident against England, I know they lost tonight but they're still a top side with some seriously good players. I really hope we turn up and at least give a good account of ourselves. |
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Post by pendragon on Jun 14, 2022 21:28:54 GMT
Positively - BRENNAN So accurate in all he does. 90% + of the time he makes the best decision! He is unique. Just need to get him more involved in games. The annoying thing is we could have had 4 draws but let things slip in 3 games. By contrast Hungary seize the initiative, don't look back and have done the double over England - with tonight's 4-0 away! Remember when they were ripping us when Denmark thrashed us at the Euros, while they played all their games, bar one, at home? Oh, what a difference a year makes. |
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Post by cadno on Jun 14, 2022 21:30:07 GMT
Cearfull what you wish for, we are 4 retirements and a few years from being very average again. Absolute nonsense I agree with Gruffudd sorry, without Bale + Ramsey we're quite average and more on Scotland's level. With the expansion of the Euros you'd hope we still have enough to qualify for 2024, but it ain't gonna be easy. |
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Post by melynwy on Jun 14, 2022 21:30:16 GMT
Positively - BRENNAN So accurate in all he does. 90% + of the time he makes the best decision! He is unique. Just need to get him more involved in games. The annoying thing is we could have had 4 draws but let things slip in 3 games. By contrast Hungary seize the initiative, don't look back and have done the double over England - with tonight's 4-0 away! Quite. But it’s worth remembering that we were forced to treat two of the NL games as friendlies and field a weakened side, and by today exaustion and injuries had taken its toll as we were missing important players. I think it’s been an extremely positive two week, despite how disappointing our NL results look on paper. |
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Post by cadno on Jun 14, 2022 21:31:16 GMT
We played well but I'm not sure we ever looked like winning the game. Draw was a fair result. I've overreacted a bit tbf, pissed off to concede like that against the Dutch again ffs. World Cup group will be very tough. Agreed that a draw was the fair result, but for the first 20-30 minutes we were much the better team and were so unlucky with the disallowed goal. Had that not been disallowed, it could have been another special night! I'm just proud of how competitive we've been against some of the best sides in the world, and only once with a team close to resembling our starting eleven. I think we've made massive strides since the Euros. For me, it all started with that game in Prague where we settled on this new system. The difference between our two performances against Belgium since then and the one at the start of the WC campaign shows how far we've come over the last year. Fair points, I guess it's been marginal in terms of results, but like you say our performances have been good. |
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Post by morg on Jun 14, 2022 21:32:05 GMT
I'm far more confident about the World Cup after these last few games. We have enough to get out of that group If we have everyone available then we can give USA and Iran a game, but I can see those games being close and us losing both easily too. Not confident against England, I know they lost tonight but they're still a top side with some seriously good players. I really hope we turn up and at least give a good account of ourselves. See, I'm more positive about our prospects than that. If we get our first team on the pitch for the first two games, I'd be very confident. Think England might be a step too far but hopefully by then we'll have done enough. |
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Post by iot on Jun 14, 2022 21:32:06 GMT
Agreed, blaming the ref is just such an easy go-to. I thought it was a fairly soft penalty to be honest, and I saw plenty of rough challenges from our side. If the ref had not called for a penalty, I'm pretty certain VAR wouldn't have intervened Soft? An elbow to the head is soft? The Dutch had 2 dismissed and rightly so - they weren't penalties. Davies' arm is tucked in and there's no real contact from Roberts It's not a hill I'm going to die on, fair enough if I've got that wrong. I just saw it as both players going up for the ball and Connor getting there slightly earlier, with a bit of follow-through from the Dutch player. There are always collisions when 2 players compete in the air for the ball. I would have been very disappointed had that gone against us. But as I say, fair enough if I'm wrong. Having said that, the broader point I was trying to make is that the ref certainly didn't cost us that game, and I don't think we were hard-done by at all. I just don't like the mentality of always looking for excuses that can make us the victim every time things go wrong. |
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Post by hooky on Jun 14, 2022 21:33:13 GMT
BTW - Gunter was the last man - had the ball come towards him and failed to get a challenge in
I know its tough to do better but what is the point of him when in key defensive moments he fails to make a positive defensive intervention. He is not bringing anything to the table anymore - I wish we would move on but I know he is gonna be taken to the World Cup
I like Sorba but he was not good enough defensively tonight - needs to improve.
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Post by dai on Jun 14, 2022 21:33:20 GMT
Soft? An elbow to the head is soft? The Dutch had 2 dismissed and rightly so - they weren't penalties. Davies' arm is tucked in and there's no real contact from Roberts Exactly. The ref was correctly making big calls in our favour. The ref shat it when all the dutch players surrounded him, and handed the decision to VAR |
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Post by cadno on Jun 14, 2022 21:34:28 GMT
If we have everyone available then we can give USA and Iran a game, but I can see those games being close and us losing both easily too. Not confident against England, I know they lost tonight but they're still a top side with some seriously good players. I really hope we turn up and at least give a good account of ourselves. See, I'm more positive about our prospects than that. If we get our first team on the pitch for the first two games, I'd be very confident. Think England might be a step too far but hopefully by then we'll have done enough. Hope you're right! We need to turn good performances into more wins. |
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Post by iot on Jun 14, 2022 21:35:36 GMT
I'm far more confident about the World Cup after these last few games. We have enough to get out of that group If we have everyone available then we can give USA and Iran a game, but I can see those games being close and us losing both easily too. Not confident against England, I know they lost tonight but they're still a top side with some seriously good players. I really hope we turn up and at least give a good account of ourselves. Really don't get this negativity. We've narrowly lost against top class sides with a mix of first teamers and reserve players, arguably deserved to draw a couple of the games. The one time we did field close to our strongest side, we drew against the second top ranked team in the world. And yet that's led you to believe we will lose easily against Iran and the US? I find that strange |
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Post by CymruFach on Jun 14, 2022 21:35:49 GMT
If we meet them at the World Cup we’ll lose unless they have one of their legendary implosions. If we meet them in the World cup we will best them. Mark my words. Tair gwaith I Gymro ! |
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Post by cadno on Jun 14, 2022 21:36:38 GMT
BTW - Gunter was the last man - had the ball come towards him and failed to get a challenge in I know its tough to do better but what is the point of him when in key defensive moments he fails to make a positive defensive intervention. He is not bringing anything to the table anymore - I wish we would move on but I know he is gonna be taken to the World Cup I like Sorba but he was not good enough defensively tonight - needs to improve. Naaah, that's beyond harsh sorry! Sorba and Ben are more to blame, Sorba for not winning the initial header & Ben for a panic header. Like you said earlier, the entire team should've dropped deeper in that situation. |
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Post by pendragon on Jun 14, 2022 21:37:10 GMT
If we have everyone available then we can give USA and Iran a game, but I can see those games being close and us losing both easily too. Not confident against England, I know they lost tonight but they're still a top side with some seriously good players. I really hope we turn up and at least give a good account of ourselves. See, I'm more positive about our prospects than that. If we get our first team on the pitch for the first two games, I'd be very confident. Think England might be a step too far but hopefully by then we'll have done enough. They've been poor against all their Nations League opponents and totally lost it tonight. I won't say we'll beat them but will keep my eye out and see what they do in September but if they're not much improved from tonight, I won't be writing us off against them. |
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Post by welshrover on Jun 14, 2022 21:38:22 GMT
Soft? An elbow to the head is soft? The Dutch had 2 dismissed and rightly so - they weren't penalties. Davies' arm is tucked in and there's no real contact from Roberts It's not a hill I'm going to die on, fair enough if I've got that wrong. I just saw it as both players going up for the ball and Connor getting there slightly earlier, with a bit of follow-through from the Dutch player. There are always collisions when 2 players compete in the air for the ball. I would have been very disappointed had that gone against us. But as I say, fair enough if I'm wrong. Having said that, the broader point I was trying to make is that the ref certainly didn't cost us that game, and I don't think we were hard-done by at all. I just don't like the mentality of always looking for excuses that can make us the victim every time things go wrong. To be honest I didn't think it was a penalty either. Connor had won the ball, moved it on way before the Dutch guy elbowed him. I do however believe it should have been a card for the assault. |
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Post by cadno on Jun 14, 2022 21:38:26 GMT
If we have everyone available then we can give USA and Iran a game, but I can see those games being close and us losing both easily too. Not confident against England, I know they lost tonight but they're still a top side with some seriously good players. I really hope we turn up and at least give a good account of ourselves. Really don't get this negativity. We've narrowly lost against top class sides with a mix of first teamers and reserve players, arguably deserved to draw a couple of the games. The one time we did field close to our strongest side, we drew against the second top ranked team in the world. And yet that's led you to believe we will lose easily against Iran and the US? I find that strange My bad, I didn't mean 'lose easily'.... I said I think it's going to be very close (a goal either way to win it) but I can *easily* see us lose as well as win/draw. I'm just not filled with confidence, basically! |
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Post by vvm on Jun 14, 2022 21:38:54 GMT
How did Roberts manage to get booked?
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Post by CymruFach on Jun 14, 2022 21:39:27 GMT
If we have everyone available then we can give USA and Iran a game, but I can see those games being close and us losing both easily too. Not confident against England, I know they lost tonight but they're still a top side with some seriously good players. I really hope we turn up and at least give a good account of ourselves. Really don't get this negativity. We've narrowly lost against top class sides with a mix of first teamers and reserve players, arguably deserved to draw a couple of the games. The one time we did field close to our strongest side, we drew against the second top ranked team in the world. And yet that's led you to believe we will lose easily against Iran and the US? I find that strange Absolutely, I feel much more confident after these games. We have a great blend of experience and good enthusiastic youngsters. With plenty of 'hyder' |
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Post by hooky on Jun 14, 2022 21:39:56 GMT
So proud of our team but also so, so gutted! I bloody hate the Netherlands - they are truly our bogey team! Perhaps we get all the luck coming our way when we play them in the World Cup  |
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Post by iot on Jun 14, 2022 21:41:38 GMT
Really don't get this negativity. We've narrowly lost against top class sides with a mix of first teamers and reserve players, arguably deserved to draw a couple of the games. The one time we did field close to our strongest side, we drew against the second top ranked team in the world. And yet that's led you to believe we will lose easily against Iran and the US? I find that strange My bad, I didn't mean 'lose easily'.... I said I think it's going to be very close (a goal either way to win it) but I can *easily* see us lose as well as win/draw. I'm just not filled with confidence, basically! I'm with you there, I've never once in my life felt confident before a game! But the way we're currently playing against these top sides, I'm starting to get there! |
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Post by pendragon on Jun 14, 2022 21:42:05 GMT
So proud of our team but also so, so gutted! I bloody hate the Netherlands - they are truly our bogey team! Perhaps we get all the luck coming our way when we play them in the World Cup  I still haven't forgotten the "you're not a real country" slur. Just hope we best the buggers at some point 😅 |
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Post by conwy10 on Jun 14, 2022 21:42:07 GMT
See, I'm more positive about our prospects than that. If we get our first team on the pitch for the first two games, I'd be very confident. Think England might be a step too far but hopefully by then we'll have done enough. They've been poor against all their Nations League opponents and totally lost it tonight. I won't say we'll beat them but will keep my eye out and see what they do in September but if they're not much improved from tonight, I won't be writing us off against them. They're already on holiday in a competition they don't see the point of, when it comes to the World Cup they'll be up for it. I do think we respect all the games we play in but England are a bit more selective. |
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Post by hooky on Jun 14, 2022 21:43:03 GMT
It's not a hill I'm going to die on, fair enough if I've got that wrong. I just saw it as both players going up for the ball and Connor getting there slightly earlier, with a bit of follow-through from the Dutch player. There are always collisions when 2 players compete in the air for the ball. I would have been very disappointed had that gone against us. But as I say, fair enough if I'm wrong. Having said that, the broader point I was trying to make is that the ref certainly didn't cost us that game, and I don't think we were hard-done by at all. I just don't like the mentality of always looking for excuses that can make us the victim every time things go wrong. To be honest I didn't think it was a penalty either. Connor had won the ball, moved it on way before the Dutch guy elbowed him. I do however believe it should have been a card for the assault. I think you are missing the point! You can't violently hurt someone after the ball has gone! That is why we got a penalty against Scotland away after Gunter was taken out after he played the ball. Its a stone wall penalty. I understand that he had flicked it on but its not the point! Otherwise you could have players knocking players out after the ball has gone without sanction! |
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Post by pendragon on Jun 14, 2022 21:43:18 GMT
My bad, I didn't mean 'lose easily'.... I said I think it's going to be very close (a goal either way to win it) but I can *easily* see us lose as well as win/draw. I'm just not filled with confidence, basically! I'm with you there, I've never once in my life felt confident before a game! But the way we're currently playing against these top sides, I'm starting to get there! Only way we will improve is by playing the top sides too.. even if we take a few hits along the way. |
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Jun 14, 2022 21:43:27 GMT
That was annoying. But 4 points, or I imagine a 2-1 win vs Poland in the next window would see us survive, dependent on Poland losing vs the Dutch.
Frustrating though it is, at least we won the most vital match of them all.
This is all great learning for our youngsters too. It’s got Brennan of the mark, which may well prove to be the most important thing from the NL.
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