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Post by ffagotsaphys on Jun 2, 2022 9:05:07 GMT
Cringe. These boys are coming from a war zone, a few coked up Wales fans booing them and chanting in put on (or not) English accents, won't intimidate them. I thought the Ukrainian team have been in Germany since February? Let's not get too dramatic suggesting they're being dragged off the frontline to play. Zinchenko coming from Manchester but I don't see him living in Hulme or Moss Side, do you? I get what you're saying though. Interesting pre match comment by Graeme Souness last night about the atmosphere at Hampden not being as hostile as other big matches and suggested that it suited the Ukraine and not help Scotland. |
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Post by freddyboioi on Jun 2, 2022 9:27:44 GMT
I hope we don't give Ukraine the same reception the Scots gave them. The Scots weren't on the Ukrainian players backs and this allowed them to get a good start. I am hoping that it's a hostile atmosphere where every mistake is cheered. There can be no sentiment. After the game I will applaud Ukraine win or lose but until then bollocks to them. Totally agreed. Was saying the same to my friends today. I hope the king of political virtue signalling Drakeford goes nowhere near the FAW. Don’t want one bit of it before the match. Afterwards will give Ukraine my full respect and IF we win will applaud them just as much as celebrating us qualifying. |
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Post by dai on Jun 2, 2022 9:31:33 GMT
I hope we don't give Ukraine the same reception the Scots gave them. The Scots weren't on the Ukrainian players backs and this allowed them to get a good start. I am hoping that it's a hostile atmosphere where every mistake is cheered. There can be no sentiment. After the game I will applaud Ukraine win or lose but until then bollocks to them. I agree. It was a very strange atmosphere in Hampden park last night - I wasn't there, you could just tell. There's a lot of complicated emotions involved here, and unlike Scotland, I hope we don't feel guilty about potentially beating them. Scotland almost seemed scared to go against the narrative. |
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Post by brumbluebird on Jun 2, 2022 9:51:25 GMT
I hope we don't give Ukraine the same reception the Scots gave them. The Scots weren't on the Ukrainian players backs and this allowed them to get a good start. I am hoping that it's a hostile atmosphere where every mistake is cheered. There can be no sentiment. After the game I will applaud Ukraine win or lose but until then bollocks to them. Absolutely with you on this. It’s very sad what’s happening, but let’s face it, they’re doing it to lift their country and to get to the World Cup. No different to us. It’s a game of football and there has to be a winner. It’s not a political statement and there should be no sympathy once that ball is kicked. Let’s just hope FIFA are in agreement when they brief their referee for the game. |
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Jun 2, 2022 9:59:42 GMT
When in possession boo the Ukrainians from the first to last minute just like Austria.
Really hope we don’t hand out the phonetics of their anthem to our fans or anything other than give flowers or something between Bale and their captain prior to KO.
Hostility is key imo.
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Jun 2, 2022 10:03:09 GMT
Zombie nation blasting out before the game
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Post by yanto on Jun 2, 2022 10:03:55 GMT
Agree, should be 8pm kick offs Imo it’s an advantage playing away from home at an afternoon summer KO, a night game always is more inspiring. Saying that it didn’t really help us for the ROI game, maybe 5pm might be a blessing! It gives Ukraine a few hours less recovery so its a positive in my book |
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Post by insertname on Jun 2, 2022 10:11:07 GMT
When in possession boo the Ukrainians from the first to last minute just like Austria. Really hope we don’t hand out the phonetics of their anthem to our fans or anything other than give flowers or something between Bale and their captain prior to KO. Hostility is key imo. In hindsight it almost seems like an act of hubris by the Jocks. They must have been so confident of winning that they turned the game into a circus themselves without even needing the media to do it for them. I wonder how they would approach it if they could do it all again, knowing what they do now? I suspect it would be totally different. We have a chance to learn from their mistakes and I hope we do. I hope the only kindness we extend to Ukraine is to not go looking for a 7th goal. |
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Post by brumbluebird on Jun 2, 2022 10:21:31 GMT
Does anybody know when the referee for Sunday is announced?
Be interesting to see who we get. It’s going to be one of the big boys for sure, it’s such a huge game.
If you look at the top ten ranked referees, Makkelie did last night so because of referees from neighbouring countries being ruled out (Martin Atkinson, Anthony Taylor, Skomina) that leaves one of either Felix Brych (GER), Cekir (TUR) (but Turkey & Ukraine are kind of neighbours only separated by the Black Sea), Bjorn Kuipers (NED), Antonio Lahoz (ESP) and Daniele Orsato (ITA)
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Post by welrus on Jun 2, 2022 10:44:18 GMT
This is complete speculation, but will Ukraine sell their full allocation? I know they did tonight, but doing it again a few days later is a big ask. I might be way off the mark, but could there be an additional release of tickets for Cymru fans? I’d guess even before the war there were plenty of Ukrainians in the UK anyway, and they will have sold out their allocation. I don’t see any more tickets coming our way. |
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Post by marsvolta on Jun 2, 2022 10:44:34 GMT
In general, I feel the atmosphere we create has been more supportive to our own team rather than hostile to our opponents and it we haven’t done too badly on it so far.
Don’t see any reason to change that.
The disappointment on the Scots fans and players faces at the end should be all the motivation we need to ensure that there’s no sentiment.
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Post by hooky on Jun 2, 2022 11:14:29 GMT
Ukraine looked like Brazil last night, helped in large part by Scotland. Technically more gifted than our lot perhaps but they are not a world class team. ....
Their history is much shorter than ours, but if you ignore the time they hosted, they have qualified for the same number of competitions as us
We know their 2 or 3 exceptionally talented players but there are no superstars, heavy scorers at international level
Their defence looked weak and when you look at the stats of their defenders - they look a bit short - their tallest defender was 6ft 2in and he is 19! The rest are 6ft or less. We probably will not play both but we have 2 defenders that are 6ft 4in and 6ft 3in. Kieffer Moore would feel confident against them at 6ft 5in. They also seem to play a midfielder or two at the back. Almost cries out for Sorba Thomas and Moore! Scotland seemed to easily get the ball out wide in the second half. So we have Kieffer to give height if Ukrainians just load up at the back and we have Bale and Wilson to take pot shots from distance at the keeper who did not look comfortable.
Their strength is that fluidity / quick transition through midfield. We cannot afford to cede the midfield to them by playing Morrell with Allen. Surely it need to be Ampadu, Levitt or if we are being aggressive (which may play into their counter attacking hands) Wilson amongst the holding midfielders. We need to aggressively compete there even if we are second best.
The only reason you would pick Ramsey at the moment is reputation. I hope he delivers as on form and given the better balance it would give us he should arguably be on the bench. Hope he has some stardust ready to sprinkle on Sunday!
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Post by iot on Jun 2, 2022 11:21:40 GMT
Anyone know if we still employ a sports psychologist within the FAW? I know the FA poached the one we had for Euro 16. Feels like we could do with someone with the expertise needed to put us in the right mindset for this game
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Post by conwy10 on Jun 2, 2022 11:31:21 GMT
We actually had a match and were playing against a team who's player broke his leg against us. They were always more physical than us so I mentioned we should send our best wishes before the match, present him with applause, make it as hard to play against us as possible. The last thing I wanted was a physical team coming out of the changing room with music getting pumped straight into a game with us.
I don't think we can out muscle Ukraine so why not try and drag them down to our level. Presentations, applause, everything before the match. Anything they aren't expecting will be a bonus for us.
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Post by insertname on Jun 2, 2022 12:10:48 GMT
We actually had a match and were playing against a team who's player broke his leg against us. They were always more physical than us so I mentioned we should send our best wishes before the match, present him with applause, make it as hard to play against us as possible. The last thing I wanted was a physical team coming out of the changing room with music getting pumped straight into a game with us. I don't think we can out muscle Ukraine so why not try and drag them down to our level. Presentations, applause, everything before the match. Anything they aren't expecting will be a bonus for us. The Scots tried that last night and if anything *they* were the ones who were affected by their own generosity of spirit! We might as well just get on their case and boo the shit out of them. |
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Post by insertname on Jun 2, 2022 12:32:17 GMT
Ukraine looked like Brazil last night, helped in large part by Scotland. Technically more gifted than our lot perhaps but they are not a world class team. .... Their history is much shorter than ours, but if you ignore the time they hosted, they have qualified for the same number of competitions as us We know their 2 or 3 exceptionally talented players but there are no superstars, heavy scorers at international level Their defence looked weak and when you look at the stats of their defenders - they look a bit short - their tallest defender was 6ft 2in and he is 19! The rest are 6ft or less. We probably will not play both but we have 2 defenders that are 6ft 4in and 6ft 3in. Kieffer Moore would feel confident against them at 6ft 5in. They also seem to play a midfielder or two at the back. Almost cries out for Sorba Thomas and Moore! Scotland seemed to easily get the ball out wide in the second half. So we have Kieffer to give height if Ukrainians just load up at the back and we have Bale and Wilson to take pot shots from distance at the keeper who did not look comfortable. Their strength is that fluidity / quick transition through midfield. We cannot afford to cede the midfield to them by playing Morrell with Allen. Surely it need to be Ampadu, Levitt or if we are being aggressive (which may play into their counter attacking hands) Wilson amongst the holding midfielders. We need to aggressively compete there even if we are second best. The only reason you would pick Ramsey at the moment is reputation. I hope he delivers as on form and given the better balance it would give us he should arguably be on the bench. Hope he has some stardust ready to sprinkle on Sunday! Good point about height. Ukraine will be looking at the team vs Poland and be expecting us to try exactly what we did against Austria and they’ll be right because that’s exactly what we’ll do: use pace and a high tempo to get in behind them at the expense of control of the game, height and physicality. I worry about our predictability in that sense especially given that a high tempo will complement Ukraine’s approach rather than hinder it, at least until their legs tire but we could be two goals down by then and the game almost beyond us like it was for Scotland. There was certainly evidence at times last night that if you pressure their back line with Johnson/James they could crumble but their passing is so accurate that at times they also made a mockery of the Scottish press. If they can do that against us we will be in trouble. Overall, given how they would love to play a similar game as against Scotland where the game is stretched and very open, allowing them time and space to show off their range of passing between Zinchenko and their front three, I favour a tight, cagey and physical approach. Bombard their keeper with crosses and use our height advantage. I really don’t think they would enjoy that apart from the fact that it would be easy on their legs. I noticed also that when the keeper was under pressure and started to become erratic, the defence trusted him less and instead of playing a back pass as teams usually do to keep possession the defenders would take the responsibility themselves rather than trust the keeper. So getting the keeper flapping early on through shots and crosses could really unsettle their defence for the rest of the match. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 2, 2022 14:36:19 GMT
I feel quite confident to be honest. Ukraine looked pretty good going forward, but the Scots were awful at the back. McTominay is not a CB, and the other two are not great CBs. Ben Davies is a top level defender, Ethan Ampadu is and will be a top player too
Ukraine didn't look that good at the back, which is very encouraging for us. I feel there will be opportunities. They also squandered a LOT of chances, the fact Scotland were still init til the final whistle is poor on Ukraine's part
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jun 2, 2022 14:37:55 GMT
I feel quite confident to be honest. Ukraine looked pretty good going forward, but the Scots were awful at the back. McTominay is not a CB, and the other two are not great CBs. Ben Davies is a top level defender, Ethan Ampadu is and will be a top player too Ukraine didn't look that good at the back, which is very encouraging for us. I feel there will be opportunities. They also squandered a LOT of chances, the fact Scotland were still init til the final whistle is poor on Ukraine's part Worth noting those Ukraine players played their hearts out yesterday and would've gone all out. Do they have another one in them? |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 2, 2022 14:53:52 GMT
I feel quite confident to be honest. Ukraine looked pretty good going forward, but the Scots were awful at the back. McTominay is not a CB, and the other two are not great CBs. Ben Davies is a top level defender, Ethan Ampadu is and will be a top player too Ukraine didn't look that good at the back, which is very encouraging for us. I feel there will be opportunities. They also squandered a LOT of chances, the fact Scotland were still init til the final whistle is poor on Ukraine's part Worth noting those Ukraine players played their hearts out yesterday and would've gone all out. Do they have another one in them? Sometimes is the case. I wouldn't rely on it as we've seen they are fighters, and I remember Croatia taking a lot of heart from the English press predicting them to tire in their WC semi. But that being said some teams to struggle to get up for another one so soon after. I remember the South Africa coach saying the same about England after they beat New Zealand - something like "they played their final in the semi Ultimately I think we are better team than then, so I think that's what will count |
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Post by insertname on Jun 2, 2022 17:22:47 GMT
I feel quite confident to be honest. Ukraine looked pretty good going forward, but the Scots were awful at the back. McTominay is not a CB, and the other two are not great CBs. Ben Davies is a top level defender, Ethan Ampadu is and will be a top player too Ukraine didn't look that good at the back, which is very encouraging for us. I feel there will be opportunities. They also squandered a LOT of chances, the fact Scotland were still init til the final whistle is poor on Ukraine's part Worth noting those Ukraine players played their hearts out yesterday and would've gone all out. Do they have another one in them? I’d actually be more concerned about the Wales team and how “soft” some of them have gone through in-action, most will have not played for at least two weeks, others longer. Ukraine will have the “whelm” still in them from Wednesday and will be raring to go vs a team that will have been so well rested their intensity might be a few rungs down from where Ukraine are when they start the match. It’s set up for Ukraine to make a fast start. |
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Post by dingodan on Jun 2, 2022 17:24:09 GMT
This is complete speculation, but will Ukraine sell their full allocation? I know they did tonight, but doing it again a few days later is a big ask. I might be way off the mark, but could there be an additional release of tickets for Cymru fans? I’d guess even before the war there were plenty of Ukrainians in the UK anyway, and they will have sold out their allocation. I don’t see any more tickets coming our way. Link gone live for Ukraine fans to buy tickets which closes at 5pm tomorrow. FAW also giving tickets away to refugees. If there's any left over than expect a last minute sale probably on Saturday. |
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Post by conwy10 on Jun 2, 2022 19:34:12 GMT
We actually had a match and were playing against a team who's player broke his leg against us. They were always more physical than us so I mentioned we should send our best wishes before the match, present him with applause, make it as hard to play against us as possible. The last thing I wanted was a physical team coming out of the changing room with music getting pumped straight into a game with us. I don't think we can out muscle Ukraine so why not try and drag them down to our level. Presentations, applause, everything before the match. Anything they aren't expecting will be a bonus for us. The Scots tried that last night and if anything *they* were the ones who were affected by their own generosity of spirit! We might as well just get on their case and boo the shit out of them. Ah right OK. Didn't see the build up to the match I got on it late. No way we can use Gunter to distract their captain for pictures before the game or something. Our record cap holder handing over a special gift to their captain when he'd trying to get his head on the game. |
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Post by conwy10 on Jun 2, 2022 19:37:07 GMT
I feel quite confident to be honest. Ukraine looked pretty good going forward, but the Scots were awful at the back. McTominay is not a CB, and the other two are not great CBs. Ben Davies is a top level defender, Ethan Ampadu is and will be a top player too Ukraine didn't look that good at the back, which is very encouraging for us. I feel there will be opportunities. They also squandered a LOT of chances, the fact Scotland were still init til the final whistle is poor on Ukraine's part Their keeper was horrendous. I think we'll pressure them better playing out from the back and the shots get faced last night are nothing to what Bale can throw at him if he gets space. |
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Post by dingodan on Jun 2, 2022 20:55:13 GMT
Ukraine allocation has sold out! Looks like no spare tickets for Cymru.
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Post by quetzal on Jun 2, 2022 21:04:20 GMT
Ukraine allocation has sold out! Looks like no spare tickets for Cymru. There’s loads in UK. Even before war. |
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Post by quetzal on Jun 2, 2022 21:09:06 GMT
Getting smashed on fine Guatemalan rum. Got to be at gate for first leg Guatemala City-Bogotá in 10 mins. What do you reckon, Dan James or Brennan? I was Dan James but I’m edging towards Brennan.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jun 2, 2022 21:28:40 GMT
Getting smashed on fine Guatemalan rum. Got to be at gate for first leg Guatemala City-Bogotá in 10 mins. What do you reckon, Dan James or Brennan? I was Dan James but I’m edging towards Brennan. Tough one. Brennan is the more in form and probably more gifted player but we've got where we are with James and he's a known quantity. As a believer of going with your best team, I'm edging towards Brennan also. I think the rest of the team picks itself. |
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Post by quetzal on Jun 2, 2022 21:31:13 GMT
Getting smashed on fine Guatemalan rum. Got to be at gate for first leg Guatemala City-Bogotá in 10 mins. What do you reckon, Dan James or Brennan? I was Dan James but I’m edging towards Brennan. Tough one. Brennan is the more in form and probably more gifted player but we've got where we are with James and he's a known quantity. As a believer of going with your best team, I'm edging towards Brennan also. I think the rest of the team picks itself. Ward or Hennessey ? I was Hennessey but now edging towards Ward selection |
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Post by iot on Jun 2, 2022 21:55:10 GMT
Page said in his post match comments that Dan James played because he wanted to and asked for the minutes, as did Neco and Moore. I got the impression it would have been even more second string if Page had stuck to his original plan. So I don't think we can read a lot into the fact Dan James started - he starts again on Sunday for me, I'm almost certain
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Post by morg on Jun 2, 2022 22:21:56 GMT
Page said in his post match comments that Dan James played because he wanted to and asked for the minutes, as did Neco and Moore. I got the impression it would have been even more second string if Page had stuck to his original plan. So I don't think we can read a lot into the fact Dan James started - he starts again on Sunday for me, I'm almost certain I think James will start. Think Ward will get nod over Hennessey. Question for me would be does Mepham or Wilson start? Poland selection suggests the latter? |
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