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Post by cymro on Sept 27, 2022 12:09:55 GMT
Even if England win their first 2, can't see them rotating their team for the game against us. They wouldn't risk losing to us, they know we wouldn't live it down.
Think we really have to go for a win against the USA as the next 2 will be incredibly tough. Hopefully 3 games all in the same stadium will give us a bit of an edge when it comes to familiarity.
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Post by johnoster on Sept 27, 2022 12:10:38 GMT
All over us ffs! We were 1-0 up and they went with the sophisticated tactic of throwing on as many strikers as they could. I didn't watch the game with rose tinted glasses. England had like 70/80% possession and probably double or triple our attempts on goal. You can prove anything with stats mate. 65% of people know that. |
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Post by morg on Sept 27, 2022 12:13:01 GMT
Reckon they'd take Ben Davies for Harry Maguire for starters! Different positions really. One's a CB in a back 4 and one is a LCB in a back 3. You can just about make a case for Davies going as a LCB if England took 6 CBs for their back 3. Erm... Maguire was LCB in a back 3 last night. |
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Post by bobbyghoul on Sept 27, 2022 12:31:35 GMT
Different positions really. One's a CB in a back 4 and one is a LCB in a back 3. You can just about make a case for Davies going as a LCB if England took 6 CBs for their back 3. Erm... Maguire was LCB in a back 3 last night. Yeah but Southgate is about the only bloke in the world who'd pick him there. |
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Post by bobbyghoul on Sept 27, 2022 12:34:45 GMT
Having thought about it more, a left footed LCB like Davies would/should make the England squad. But that's it from our group.
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Post by insertname on Sept 27, 2022 12:51:48 GMT
Yeah, that comment made me cringe a little bit. I remember Bale giving it the big one / mocking them during the Euros, and when it came to the match they were all over us and we were fortunate to only lose 2-1 imo. All over us ffs! We were 1-0 up and they went with the sophisticated tactic of throwing on as many strikers as they could. We went 1 up with our only shot and which Hart should have saved. It was a completely one sided game from memory. In fact I can’t recall a game against England in my lifetime where we’ve deserved anything other than defeat. There was the recent-ish friendly where we at least dominated possession early on but even then it was clear they weren’t troubled and were happy to let us have the ball and play ourselves into trouble. True enough, they stole the ball after we ran out of road and scored on the counter attack with ease before running out 3-0 winners. |
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Post by iot on Sept 27, 2022 14:21:55 GMT
All over us ffs! We were 1-0 up and they went with the sophisticated tactic of throwing on as many strikers as they could. We went 1 up with our only shot and which Hart should have saved. It was a completely one sided game from memory. In fact I can’t recall a game against England in my lifetime where we’ve deserved anything other than defeat. There was the recent-ish friendly where we at least dominated possession early on but even then it was clear they weren’t troubled and were happy to let us have the ball and play ourselves into trouble. True enough, they stole the ball after we ran out of road and scored on the counter attack with ease before running out 3-0 winners. 1-0 loss with Earnie missing an open goal. Darcy Blake had Rooney in his pocket. Deserved something from that games |
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Post by iot on Sept 27, 2022 14:22:37 GMT
Having thought about it more, a left footed LCB like Davies would/should make the England squad. But that's it from our group. Joe Allen would surely get in 😉 |
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Post by quetzal on Sept 27, 2022 14:45:59 GMT
Better make sure we qualified before we play England. They will be baying for blood after our player celebrations caught on camera when Iceland rolled them over.
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Post by morg on Sept 27, 2022 14:55:39 GMT
Not sure why we're bothered who would get in the England team but for what it's worth, players in current crop who would have had England caps at some point. Preparing to be shot down big time.
Hennessey (surely 1 or 2 friendlies)
Davies
Allen
Ramsey
Bale
Brooks (Toulon tournament and v good first prem season)
Possibly
Dan James when first at Man U
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Post by insertname on Sept 27, 2022 14:57:37 GMT
We went 1 up with our only shot and which Hart should have saved. It was a completely one sided game from memory. In fact I can’t recall a game against England in my lifetime where we’ve deserved anything other than defeat. There was the recent-ish friendly where we at least dominated possession early on but even then it was clear they weren’t troubled and were happy to let us have the ball and play ourselves into trouble. True enough, they stole the ball after we ran out of road and scored on the counter attack with ease before running out 3-0 winners. 1-0 loss with Earnie missing an open goal. Darcy Blake had Rooney in his pocket. Deserved something from that games Yeah good catch that, totally forgot about that one and you’re right we did absolutely give as good as we got and looked the better side iirc. And yeah Earnie missed one almost on the line. That was agonising albeit the game was a dead rubber for us by then. I recall a home game against England at the millennium under Tosh, that must have been the home fixture that paired with the away fixture you mentioned. James Collins gave away a penalty and it was all round classic Tosh abysmalness. If I’ve remembered that correctly that was quite a turnaround under Speed to go from that to giving them a real game away from home. |
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Post by insertname on Sept 27, 2022 15:03:00 GMT
Better make sure we qualified before we play England. They will be baying for blood after our player celebrations caught on camera when Iceland rolled them over. England always tend to do better against us when they are under pressure and being written off. Plenty of England fans saying they wouldn’t get out of the group on the BBC HYS thread after their match against Italy and that’s dangerous because it will be a real motivator for them. I recall the game at old Trafford in 2004 where England were getting pelters for threatening to go on strike over appearance pay and the media made a big deal about how Wales are the team that is passionate about playing for the country and England came out and totally blew us away as if to put the passion debate to bed. Really hoping that if we need a result from that game that we pass it off like it’s about the result rather than the occasion. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Sept 27, 2022 15:24:06 GMT
The way the fixtures have fallen, I'm far more concerned about the Iran game than England, not really given it much thought yet.
Assuming we don't lose to USA (who look shaky at best) the second game will have all the pressure for both teams and if we get that right and win, we can relax against England.
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Post by dai on Sept 27, 2022 15:37:14 GMT
Just checked out Iran's form and squad. Only lost twice in the last 10, currently drawing with Senegal.
Absolutely loads of goals amongst their forwards, 4 of them playing in top tier leagues across Europe - Bayern L, Feyenoord, Porto, Charleroi.
They will be a LOT trickier than what some are expecting.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2022 16:00:21 GMT
i think most people know Iran are a very decent team,i'm calling it now ,england 1 Iran 1  |
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Post by cymro on Sept 27, 2022 16:48:04 GMT
I live and work in England and every English person I talk to are more worried about the USA game than Iran... granted most of them are armchair/part time England fans. I think everyone who properly follows international footy are rightly more concerned about the Iranians...
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Post by underwood on Sept 27, 2022 16:51:52 GMT
It would not surprise me if Iran won the group.
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Post by CrackityJones on Sept 27, 2022 17:33:07 GMT
Drew with Senegal today and beat Uruguay few days back. No mugs are they?
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Post by underwood on Sept 27, 2022 17:37:03 GMT
Drew with Senegal today and beat Uruguay few days back. No mugs are they? Honestly if we had achieved those two back to back results I would say we were going into the tournament in great shape. |
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Post by insertname on Sept 27, 2022 18:18:42 GMT
The conditions and crowd will presumably favour them too.
The one thing I take from their results (without having seen much of them apart from at previous tournaments) is that they are a very conservative side. Given counter attacking as a strength of ours they probably won’t leave too many gaps at the back and we will have to play in front of them a bit and break them down
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Post by bobbyghoul on Sept 27, 2022 18:52:09 GMT
Not sure why we're bothered who would get in the England team but for what it's worth, players in current crop who would have had England caps at some point. Preparing to be shot down big time. Hennessey (surely 1 or 2 friendlies) Davies Allen Ramsey Bale Brooks (Toulon tournament and v good first prem season) Possibly Dan James when first at Man U The point was that they are massive favourites to win as very few (one) of our squad gets in theirs. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Sept 27, 2022 20:03:07 GMT
In other news USA have just drawn 0-0 with Saudi Arabia
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Post by insertname on Sept 27, 2022 20:24:24 GMT
In other news USA have just drawn 0-0 with Saudi Arabia It’s shaping up that the first game is must win as it looks, with all due respect, the easiest game. Beat US, draw with Iran, then 6 point England fielding a reserve side and we both accept a mutually beneficial draw whilst under the pretence of trying to win? Would England still go all out to win in that scenario? |
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Post by pclaude on Sept 27, 2022 20:57:01 GMT
The conditions and crowd will presumably favour them too. The one thing I take from their results (without having seen much of them apart from at previous tournaments) is that they are a very conservative side. Given counter attacking as a strength of ours they probably won’t leave too many gaps at the back and we will have to play in front of them a bit and break them down Which we are abysmal at. |
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Post by quetzal on Sept 27, 2022 21:10:01 GMT
Thank God we did qualify and get the monkey off our backs. Looking at our underage groups I think we’re in big trouble when Bale retires.
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Post by futbolguru on Sept 27, 2022 22:23:11 GMT
We just drew Saudi Arabia and it was ugly. This manager is clueless. I have no hope to get out of the group. Don't judge our players based on the matches you see us play. This gaffer literally kills any hope with a young talented group.
I watched a handful of Iran qualifiers. They are really well organized and Taremi is a very good striker. They just sit back, wait for you to make a mistake and try to catch you with their very quick counter.
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Sept 27, 2022 22:36:45 GMT
Blimey, this guy Mehdi Taremi does look useful - he's already bagged over 40 goals for Porto (and has only been with them since 2020).
Scored 28 goals for Iran too, so far.
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Post by conwy10 on Sept 27, 2022 22:40:43 GMT
If we finish bottom I won't be too bothered quite honestly. I'm just here for the enjoyment of it. Wales have always done me proud at tournaments anyway, maybe we're due a bad one.
I don't think we should fear anyone. If England don't win it there'll be calls for Southgate to quit. USA, and England for that matter, will get constant comparisons to their Female counterparts if they aren't dominating games. Then there's us... not even a real country, Misfits FC with a golfer for a captain. More likely people won't want to play us. They have very little to gain but a lot to lose.
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Sept 27, 2022 22:46:06 GMT
Seriously take issue with your assertion that we're "not even a real country"!! Say that to England too, then. (A few folk in Cardiff this weekend will disgree with you too). Anyway, back to Mehdi Taremi(Iran), here's a goal he scored for Porto against Chelsea: www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmTi9bf6nV0 |
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Post by CrackityJones on Sept 28, 2022 13:29:54 GMT
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