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Post by ddirpytnop on Nov 23, 2022 7:45:53 GMT
Performance aside, I'm finding it funny how the rugby purists are now desperately trying to ride our coattails on the subject of the anthem/atmosphere to try and stay relevant. Global commentators were stunned by the passion on display, and now the Arms Park brigade are all over social media posting crap along the lines of "You fink that was good, should get yerself down the principality in February!" Welcome to being the minority pursuit nobody cares about, this is your comeuppance for years of supporting England "in the football, because Wales are crap mun" 😊 Seen someone post something like that with a video of the anthem at the PS attached, and honestly most of the people around the recorder aren't singing and all you can hear is the choir/music playing Some people don't actually look at it objectively. They've been told Wales is a rugby nation enough, and the rugby is better than football enough to just blindly believe it despite the evidence of their eyes and ears You have been lured into the trap of believing that the views expressed by a few individuals on social media represent a view held more generally. I am a rugby fan. I have attended far more rugby games than I have football. Most rugby fans also like football - there'll be some who don't but even most of them would wish the national football team well.As for the anthem/crowd atmosphere debate, every proper rugby fan I know is distraught at was has become of atmosphere at Welsh rugby internationals, and many, like me, have stopped going as a consequence.
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Post by rushy on Nov 23, 2022 9:33:55 GMT
My obvious issue is that Kieffer did not start as the evidence for his inclusion was apparent immediately he came on. I also wonder why Page did not change something earlier, I seem to recall that our game against Denmark in the euros we were on top for 10-15 mins, their coach noted this and changed the system. Pointless seeing if its going to get better as after 20 mins we were hanging on and getting worse. Its not popular but I feel Page let us down somewhat in both selection and then not having the balls to change it earlier. Coaches/ Managers these days don't hang about, they change shape to nullify a problem even making a substitution early on, I think we were very fortunate and got away with one first half, I couldn't understand why Page and his staff did not try to do something after 15-20 minutes , lessons learned he said later.
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Post by dai on Nov 23, 2022 9:38:19 GMT
My obvious issue is that Kieffer did not start as the evidence for his inclusion was apparent immediately he came on. I also wonder why Page did not change something earlier, I seem to recall that our game against Denmark in the euros we were on top for 10-15 mins, their coach noted this and changed the system. Pointless seeing if its going to get better as after 20 mins we were hanging on and getting worse. Its not popular but I feel Page let us down somewhat in both selection and then not having the balls to change it earlier. Coaches/ Managers these days don't hang about, they change shape to nullify a problem even making a substitution early on, I think we were very fortunate and got away with one first half, I couldn't understand why Page and his staff did not try to do something after 15-20 minutes , lessons learned he said later. Historically Page isn't very good at changing things, and despite all the qualifying heroics, I still don't think he has the tactical nous to analyse our performance and change things when needed. Yes, he brought on Moore at half time which improved things, however he also took off Daniel James, who's played almost every game until the 90 minute mark. He then left on Wilson, Ramsey and Bale who are all lacking in game time and match fitness.
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Post by aberbeeg on Nov 23, 2022 11:44:11 GMT
Page and his tactics/ man management definitely got exposed during a tournament ( again). It was very VERY evident we were chasing shadows from minute one yet he refused to change anything until half time. They were dominant in all areas and most people are of the opinion we were lucky to only go in a goal down. A better team would have been out of sight by half time. Wilson,Ramsey and Bale were complete passengers
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Post by bale-droed on Nov 24, 2022 8:00:17 GMT
Yes Page is far from the best manager. He was embarrassing v Denmark. However he was the best person for the job 100%. You know how we know this? He got us to a World Cup. Something done great managers (Not Toshack) failed to do and whatever happens he will get us to Euro 2024. The more he fucks up the better he gets got full faith in him over the next 2 campaigns even if it’s tough viewing at times.
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Post by quetzal on Nov 24, 2022 9:30:44 GMT
Haven’t been near here. So now catching up on the comments. Yeah Page not the greatest tactic guru in the world and players terrible in first half but what I don’t see mentioned a lot is nerves. I was at the game and only got two hours sleep night before because of nerves. After 64 years maybe occasion got to the players.
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Post by morg on Nov 24, 2022 11:17:20 GMT
Haven’t been near here. So now catching up on the comments. Yeah Page not the greatest tactic guru in the world and players terrible in first half but what I don’t see mentioned a lot is nerves. I was at the game and only got two hours sleep night before because of nerves. After 64 years maybe occasion got to the players. Agree re the nerves. Rodon looked terrified at times. We turned it round though and could have nicked it. Hoping that's out of their systems now. Maybe earlier kick off will help in that respect.
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Post by rushy on Nov 24, 2022 13:20:33 GMT
Haven’t been near here. So now catching up on the comments. Yeah Page not the greatest tactic guru in the world and players terrible in first half but what I don’t see mentioned a lot is nerves. I was at the game and only got two hours sleep night before because of nerves. After 64 years maybe occasion got to the players. I mentioned the "ocassion" may well have played a part post match and I included Page in that assessment, he commented later that lessons were learned so let's hope so.
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Nov 24, 2022 13:25:58 GMT
Unlike previous World Cups, there had only been a chance for one or two training sessions beforehand (coupled with the hype, the long journey, settling in etc). I genuinely think the lads will be more "in the zone" come tomorrow morning/afternoon, and I anticipate a much improved overall performance against Iran than was the case against the USA.
Remember in the Euros in France, when we needed to beat Russia to progress, we "hit the ground running" from the very start?
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 24, 2022 21:09:21 GMT
Unlike previous World Cups, there had only been a chance for one or two training sessions beforehand (coupled with the hype, the long journey, settling in etc). I genuinely think the lads will be more "in the zone" come tomorrow morning/afternoon, and I anticipate a much improved overall performance against Iran than was the case against the USA. Remember in the Euros in France, when we needed to beat Russia to progress, we "hit the ground running" from the very start? SImilar to the last Euros as well, we put in our best performance in the 2nd game against Turkey and looked quite rusty against the Swiss in the 1st game. I agree the lack of prep and quick turnaround will probably have contributed to the USA performance in the first half (along with the tactical problems). So I expect a better showing tomorrow
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