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Post by insertname on Sept 25, 2022 21:30:55 GMT
No one going to mention how completely uninfluential Bale was? Not sure if he should have stayed on for the entire 90. Came closest to scoring. That's the risk with him- you're not picking him for anything other than the hope he comes up with something. Generally he does tend to pull something off in the big games |
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Post by iot on Sept 25, 2022 21:32:08 GMT
Cabango was good for 99% of the game, but unfortunately lost his man for the goal. Hopefully something he can learn from. Rodon was good defensively, but just not good enough on the ball, clear to see why he doesn't have a future at a top club. RND has been one of the biggest disappointments over the two games. From a really impressive few games in the summer and getting a lot of praise for Sheff Utd in a back 3, he was responsible for giving away so many chances over the two games. I thought Brennan and DJ, despite the stick, were very good. But I really hate the 523 formation. That would be my main criticism of Page, he insists on making us weak in the middle by cramming in as many forwards as he can. It just makes us so imbalanced. Colwill was great when he came on. He should have started as a 10. I thought Levitt and Morrell were decent, although obviously completely overrun so didn't see as much of the ball as they should have. Dunno about 99%. His touch on the ball is just too heavy and can put him in all sorts of trouble at times. He also hesitated making simple clearances on a few occasions, one of which Rodon got particularly animated about in the second half. Yes fair enough, but he grew into it first half and came up trumps against Lewandowski several times. So aside from the goal, I would say it was a good performance and perhaps showed that he can perform at this level. But it just so happens the mistake for the goal cost us the game! It wasn't a terrible mistake, just failed to track his man for a split second and then it was too late |
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Post by mrpicton79 on Sept 25, 2022 21:33:54 GMT
My mum's parents were Polish. I kind of want them to do well in tournaments but the last 35 years they have been rubbish. They looked quality in managing the game and better footballers but is that because they are good and better footballers than us or is it how poor we were tonight? Spare a thought for how well Hungary have gone and how terrible we have been results wise in this league Hungary were mostly crap in the World Cup qualifiers though, the stuff that counts. I think most fans would rather nail a WC campaign than do well in the NL games. I sure wouldn't swap it. |
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Post by iot on Sept 25, 2022 21:34:25 GMT
Cabango was good for 99% of the game, but unfortunately lost his man for the goal. Hopefully something he can learn from. Rodon was good defensively, but just not good enough on the ball, clear to see why he doesn't have a future at a top club. RND has been one of the biggest disappointments over the two games. From a really impressive few games in the summer and getting a lot of praise for Sheff Utd in a back 3, he was responsible for giving away so many chances over the two games. I thought Brennan and DJ, despite the stick, were very good. But I really hate the 523 formation. That would be my main criticism of Page, he insists on making us weak in the middle by cramming in as many forwards as he can. It just makes us so imbalanced. Colwill was great when he came on. He should have started as a 10. I thought Levitt and Morrell were decent, although obviously completely overrun so didn't see as much of the ball as they should have. I hate to say it but it does seem like our time with Bale starting is negatively affecting our overall performance we're not the team we were and players like Colwill or Moore bring so much more to the table for overall play. I know, but a similar debate was had before the Austria game. I don't think he's someone we can drop because his record speaks for itself. Even tonight he was an inch away from scoring with an incredible bullet header |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Sept 25, 2022 21:35:14 GMT
My mum's parents were Polish. I kind of want them to do well in tournaments but the last 35 years they have been rubbish. They looked quality in managing the game and better footballers but is that because they are good and better footballers than us or is it how poor we were tonight? Spare a thought for how well Hungary have gone and how terrible we have been results wise in this league If only we could've fielded a full strength side in this tournament. Imagine how well we could've done. Poland can go fuck themselves, wish them nothing but bad fortune. I'm usually okay with losing to teams and will wish them well but that 'performance' by them was one of the most disgusting I've ever seen. The worst thing about it is that they have the quality to win games properly but will never go for it because of how they think the game should be played. Heard one of their fans set a firework off in the ground too, hope they chuck that arsehole in a cell. |
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Post by conwy10 on Sept 25, 2022 21:38:28 GMT
My mum's parents were Polish. I kind of want them to do well in tournaments but the last 35 years they have been rubbish. They looked quality in managing the game and better footballers but is that because they are good and better footballers than us or is it how poor we were tonight? Spare a thought for how well Hungary have gone and how terrible we have been results wise in this league I disagree a little sorry. How many games do you think they can rely on that type of 'game management'? Is that why they never get out of the group stages as when you've seen it once the refs won't buy it again? I know it doesn't sound good after a loss but they were the football cliche that I hear everyone posting about on Facebook. A slight touch and they're rolling around like they were shot. |
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Post by aberbeeg on Sept 25, 2022 21:40:19 GMT
After that I’m quite fearful for what we will be left with after our top level players retire. We look bang average in a lot of positions, (if Hennessy is still our best keeper then we’re really struggling ).
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Post by jono on Sept 25, 2022 21:41:16 GMT
Final ball was desperately poor tonight when in good positions, you can't keep doing that if you want to win football matches. Its been poor in almost every match. Why does James take every corner? Its just basic stuff that doesnt get corrected. The amount of times you see James beat his man out wide then his cross goes out of play for a goal kick is staggering. Disappointed we've gone down as on our day we can beat anyone. When you see the likes of Hungary potentially getting to a semi final...it's something we're capable of doing. |
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Post by insertname on Sept 25, 2022 21:43:27 GMT
My mum's parents were Polish. I kind of want them to do well in tournaments but the last 35 years they have been rubbish. They looked quality in managing the game and better footballers but is that because they are good and better footballers than us or is it how poor we were tonight? Spare a thought for how well Hungary have gone and how terrible we have been results wise in this league I disagree a little sorry. How many games do you think they can rely on that type of 'game management'? Is that why they never get out of the group stages as when you've seen it once the refs won't buy it again? I know it doesn't sound good after a loss but they were the football cliche that I hear everyone posting about on Facebook. A slight touch and they're rolling around like they were shot. The ref has to take some responsibility as well mind. If he let the game go on they just wouldn't do it. It's so grim though, watching grown men with tattoo sleeves rolling around pretending to be hurt. As you say, you can see why people take the piss out of football when the ball is hardly in play because of these pansy assholes. |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Sept 25, 2022 21:43:59 GMT
After that I’m quite fearful for what we will be left with after our top level players retire. We look bang average in a lot of positions, (if Hennessy is still our best keeper then we’re really struggling ). We went a whole tournament against a group of elite nations without losing my more than 1 goal with Bale and Ramsey playing next to none of it. What on earth are you on about? |
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Post by iot on Sept 25, 2022 21:44:42 GMT
We looked like headless chickens and made Poland look a top 5 team at times. Playing in the Championship clearly brings Conor's standard down. He was awful. Neco was not as impactful as usual these last 2 games As mentioned Levitt was a non entity. Norrington Davies was poor too in my opinion. Wish James had more end product but he creates so much potential with his pace. As mentioned Sorba excellent when he came on - maybe we replace Roberts with him? Word on Page - tonight showed why you do not base football decisions on loyalty. I wish we could have seen Luke Harris at some point over the last 2 games and while Colwil was a bit hit and miss when he came on - we can't play a game against a top team without creativity, which he can provide. Class over quality every time please Based on tonight's performance then we have zero right to be in the top tier. Hope we were just poor and overwhelmed by the occasion otherwise Qatar could end up being a disaster. Brennan was the only player on the pitch wearing red who looked a class act. Don't be silly, we were missing six regular starters. A country of our size will always struggle in that position. I have no idea what point you're trying to make about tonight showing why Page is too loyal and how Luke Harris would have made a difference? Colwill was excellent when he came on. The reason he didn't start isn't because Page is too loyal, it's because he insisted on starting three forwards. When you have a back 5, that only leaves room for two in midfield, and we can hardly play an attacking midfielder as one of the double-pivot. I thought Neco was below par against Belgium and quiet in the first half, but excellent in spells second half. Beat his man a few times and a few excellent passes through. Agree with you on James, he was the one their defenders were most scared of. Think Levitt's getting a lot of unfair stick. I thought he was decent, but he and DJ have become the scapegoats anytime we lose |
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Post by cadno on Sept 25, 2022 21:51:20 GMT
My mum's parents were Polish. I kind of want them to do well in tournaments but the last 35 years they have been rubbish. They looked quality in managing the game and better footballers but is that because they are good and better footballers than us or is it how poor we were tonight? Spare a thought for how well Hungary have gone and how terrible we have been results wise in this league If only we could've fielded a full strength side in this tournament. Imagine how well we could've done. Poland can go fuck themselves, wish them nothing but bad fortune. I'm usually okay with losing to teams and will wish them well but that 'performance' by them was one of the most disgusting I've ever seen. The worst thing about it is that they have the quality to win games properly but will never go for it because of how they think the game should be played. Heard one of their fans set a firework off in the ground too, hope they chuck that arsehole in a cell. Love a Jose Mourinho shithouse performance myself, we could learn a thing or two from tonight in terms of the dark arts! |
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Post by aberbeeg on Sept 25, 2022 21:54:16 GMT
After that I’m quite fearful for what we will be left with after our top level players retire. We look bang average in a lot of positions, (if Hennessy is still our best keeper then we’re really struggling ). We went a whole tournament against a group of elite nations without losing my more than 1 goal with Bale and Ramsey playing next to none of it. What on earth are you on about? I’m talking about 1 point in 18 ……no seriously I’m talking bout what’s coming behind our top level stars when they retire after the World Cup. It doesn’t look great tbh. When we’re bringing on the likes of Tylor Roberts to save the game then you will probably understand where I’m coming from . |
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Post by iot on Sept 25, 2022 21:54:22 GMT
After that I’m quite fearful for what we will be left with after our top level players retire. We look bang average in a lot of positions, (if Hennessy is still our best keeper then we’re really struggling ). I hear that a lot but don't really agree. The only positions we're struggling in terms of succession planning is midfield, but what people miss is that it isn't necessarily the current backups that will be our starters -other players will emerge as the seniors start to retire. Harris could very well be our next ramsey, Savage or James our next Allen, and Brennan has already shown he's going to be a massive player for us. Our first choice defence are good for the next 5 years, most for the next ten years, and again we'll see others emerge - I'm very excited about Owen Beck personally. I don't think we need to be worried. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 25, 2022 21:57:45 GMT
Siomedig bach, but glad our players have some integrity. Poland were an embarrassment tonight. The combination of some of their fans giving it the big one and acting like "ultras" and then their player flopping around like fairies on the pitch just doesn't sit right with me. Pick one!
Didn't fall for us tonight, much like it didn't fall for Ukraine against us. However, I know which game I'd rather have a bit of luck in. If UEFA hadn't shafted us we'd be staying up instead of the Poles I believe, but there we are. Ymlaen i Qatar
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Post by jbt95 on Sept 25, 2022 21:59:44 GMT
Why was there a Latvian refereeing a crunch League A match?
The Latvian League is 38th in the rankings.
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Post by conwy10 on Sept 25, 2022 22:01:46 GMT
Best not mention Connor Roberts pathetic dive and holding his head when he got shoulder charged at best Well, the precedent had already been set long before then Completely agree. I saw Roberts doing it more out of frustration. More like if they can get away with it so can I! |
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Post by cadno on Sept 25, 2022 22:02:31 GMT
A lot of positives tonight. Cabango did really well, not sure he's there yet but a decent option in the squad, just needs to stop letting the ball bounce. Morrell looked like 2016 Allen, never thought he had that in him. Hope he keeps pushing on. Johnson looks like he'll be a massive player for us. I think we have every piece of the puzzle in place going into the World Cup. Just need a bit of luck along the way. Agree with all of that. Morrell is too good for league 1, fair play. Happy with Cabango and Levitt too, both secured a place for the WC. Had we managed to change to a back 4 and bring Moore on a little bit earlier when it was 0-0 then it might've been 1-0 to us instead. Ah well. |
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Post by conwy10 on Sept 25, 2022 22:04:44 GMT
A lot of positives tonight. Cabango did really well, not sure he's there yet but a decent option in the squad, just needs to stop letting the ball bounce. Morrell looked like 2016 Allen, never thought he had that in him. Hope he keeps pushing on. Johnson looks like he'll be a massive player for us. I think we have every piece of the puzzle in place going into the World Cup. Just need a bit of luck along the way. Agree with all of that. Morrell is too good for league 1, fair play. Happy with Cabango and Levitt too, both secured a place for the WC. Had we managed to change to a back 4 and bring Moore on a little bit earlier when it was 0-0 then it might've been 1-0 to us instead. Ah well. To be fair I think Page tried but only one minute too late. Fine margins. I actually like the formation. Just a shame to strikers can't score. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 25, 2022 22:05:10 GMT
Games like today where Bale is off it are a shame because I feel we'd have been better off with Moore in hindsight. You never know if Bale will pull something off, but when he doesn't it feels like we could have done more without him. Not advocating for dropping him, but just thinking out loud
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Post by erasedcitizen on Sept 25, 2022 22:09:56 GMT
Did we keep Poland fans behind? Would've kept them for a good 5 hours or so.
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Post by cadno on Sept 25, 2022 22:09:58 GMT
Agree with all of that. Morrell is too good for league 1, fair play. Happy with Cabango and Levitt too, both secured a place for the WC. Had we managed to change to a back 4 and bring Moore on a little bit earlier when it was 0-0 then it might've been 1-0 to us instead. Ah well. To be fair I think Page tried but only one minute too late. Fine margins. I actually like the formation. Just a shame to strikers can't score. Yeah we were just unlucky that they scored just then! I'd try Mark Harris out again, makes class runs, but poor finisher again is he? Why not give blokes like Bradshaw or Jephocott a chance in next year's nations league, up top with Moore 'little and large' , you never know one of them might be a deadly poacher and step up at intl level like the Healey bloke for Northern Ireland.... |
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Post by hal on Sept 25, 2022 22:10:45 GMT
Why was there a Latvian refereeing a crunch League A match? The Latvian League is 38th in the rankings. Exactly this. Agree with what most people say about the game. Probably didn’t deserve to win but that ref ruined the game. He is probably reffing games with 1000 max spectators at such poor standard? Felt tonight was all about him and his game…..the worst kind of refs!!! I would have loved to have seen how the ref we had vs Ukraine managed the cheating polish players |
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Post by jono on Sept 25, 2022 22:13:28 GMT
Did we keep Poland fans behind? Would've kept them for a good 5 hours or so. Felt like 5 hours in Serbia. |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Sept 25, 2022 22:15:31 GMT
So an Eastern European refereed a game featuring an Eastern European side.
Never stood a chance did we?
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Post by conwy10 on Sept 25, 2022 22:19:45 GMT
Games like today where Bale is off it are a shame because I feel we'd have been better off with Moore in hindsight. You never know if Bale will pull something off, but when he doesn't it feels like we could have done more without him. Not advocating for dropping him, but just thinking out loud I don't think he did too bad. He was dropping off making things tick. Lewandowski did nothing except for the assist, Bale hit the crossbar. Even in doing little he was the closest we had to a breakthrough. Ideally we need him and Moore on the pitch together. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 25, 2022 22:25:23 GMT
Games like today where Bale is off it are a shame because I feel we'd have been better off with Moore in hindsight. You never know if Bale will pull something off, but when he doesn't it feels like we could have done more without him. Not advocating for dropping him, but just thinking out loud I don't think he did too bad. He was dropping off making things tick. Lewandowski did nothing except for the assist, Bale hit the crossbar. Even in doing little he was the closest we had to a breakthrough. Ideally we need him and Moore on the pitch together. Good point. I just feel the system is worse when we play both. Dan James was definitely worse than Bale tonight, and he'd probably be the one to make way if someone had to be dropped |
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Post by cynonvalley on Sept 25, 2022 22:43:19 GMT
Practice crossing please.
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Post by conwy10 on Sept 25, 2022 22:50:09 GMT
Practice crossing please. We might have flattered them, but I thought Poland were very well drilled with crosses into the box. Did anyone else notice that Scezny, no doubt I destroyed that, was reading the crosses off the players looking across? As soon as the player looked across to square it he took a step out of his goal to prepare. I think if someone looked across and then hammered it near post he would have been caught out. |
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Post by dai on Sept 25, 2022 23:13:21 GMT
My mum's parents were Polish. I kind of want them to do well in tournaments but the last 35 years they have been rubbish. They looked quality in managing the game and better footballers but is that because they are good and better footballers than us or is it how poor we were tonight? Spare a thought for how well Hungary have gone and how terrible we have been results wise in this league If only we could've fielded a full strength side in this tournament. Imagine how well we could've done. Poland can go fuck themselves, wish them nothing but bad fortune. I'm usually okay with losing to teams and will wish them well but that 'performance' by them was one of the most disgusting I've ever seen. The worst thing about it is that they have the quality to win games properly but will never go for it because of how they think the game should be played. Heard one of their fans set a firework off in the ground too, hope they chuck that arsehole in a cell. To think half of their country have emigrated here, and this is how they behave. Fucking idiotic fanbase. Also, they began chanting as our anthem started, good start to relations. I don;t know why, but tonights loss has angered me more than the home Ireland loss in the WC qualifiers. |
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