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Post by cadno on Jun 20, 2024 18:53:04 GMT
In terms of depth; GK - Non-existent CB - Good starters, decent depth. Not a concern for me WBs - Decent starters, decent depth. Just want to see Neco on the right & hopefully Dasilva/Stevens can offer a lot & Huggins/RND return. Not a concern for me CM - Good starters but poor depth. Funny how Morrell used to get berated but without him it's looked threadbare. Hopefully the naysayers understand he has to be in the squad to be an option for when JJ/Ampadu need to come off AM/WF - Our strongest area. No real concerns, but think we will rely on a pool of 5/6 players to get goals rather than having a main man ST - Decent starting options but poor depth. Moore approaching his later years & doesn't look as athletic now to me. Behind him we're struggling and need to try someone that isn't Cullen Agree with all of that really. We need to keep giving Sheehan games, maybe have a look at Lee Evans again, Tom Lowery is another one I can think of. I like Cullen, he’s a good finisher and will be a decent player for us from the bench. I’d like to see Isaak Davies given a chance, he looks like a good player to me. Ward Mepham Rodon Davies Neco Amps James DaSilva Rambo Wilson I.Davies Plenty of options from the bench |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 20, 2024 20:31:16 GMT
In terms of depth; GK - Non-existent CB - Good starters, decent depth. Not a concern for me WBs - Decent starters, decent depth. Just want to see Neco on the right & hopefully Dasilva/Stevens can offer a lot & Huggins/RND return. Not a concern for me CM - Good starters but poor depth. Funny how Morrell used to get berated but without him it's looked threadbare. Hopefully the naysayers understand he has to be in the squad to be an option for when JJ/Ampadu need to come off AM/WF - Our strongest area. No real concerns, but think we will rely on a pool of 5/6 players to get goals rather than having a main man ST - Decent starting options but poor depth. Moore approaching his later years & doesn't look as athletic now to me. Behind him we're struggling and need to try someone that isn't Cullen Agree with all of that really. We need to keep giving Sheehan games, maybe have a look at Lee Evans again, Tom Lowery is another one I can think of. I like Cullen, he’s a good finisher and will be a decent player for us from the bench. I’d like to see Isaak Davies given a chance, he looks like a good player to me. Ward Mepham Rodon Davies Neco Amps James DaSilva Rambo Wilson I.Davies Plenty of options from the bench Yeah always felt Lowery could be good at international level, but he seems to keep getting injured. Not sure if we could ever rely on him tbh Cullen I just feel is one of those players that is passable at Championship level but just doesn't have that *something* about him to make an impact at international level. I'd be happy to be proven wrong but would like to see others tried to see if they take to international level. Be that Davies, Evans, Mullin etc... |
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Post by pclaude on Jun 21, 2024 8:20:41 GMT
Looking at the standard of our group, the irony is that if we had qualified Page would have been given the boot after the group stage. Because of the money we would have made at the Euros. Now we’re bloody trapped with him because we can’t afford to pay him off. It’s infuriating! So your saying that had the penalty kicks against Poland gone in our favour, Page would / should have been sacked if we'd gone onto loose to The Netherlands, Austria and France. You’re deluded in your expectations. The Premier league first day fixtures were out yesterday. I looked through it and concluded we don't currently have a single nailed on starter in top flight football. In my years the cupboard containing quality footballers has never been so bare. While on here we're getting excited about a teenager joining Peterborough, our past and future rivals are cheering their Real Madrid based teenager scoring a worldie in Germany. We're in for a few lean years and would be whoever the manager is. I think you are totally forgetting that being a nailed on EPL starter is far far far harder in 2024 than 2014 and certainly harder than 2004. The quality of EPL players is now off the scale. You have players in non-elite EPL sides starting for Brazil and Argentina for example. Further up this thread people are talking about Simon Davies and Mark Delaney. Decrying why we cant produce EPL starters like that anymore. Things is, they wouldnt be EPL starters these days. Players that 30 years would be playing in the old first division would now be League One players. |
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Post by njdragon on Jun 21, 2024 8:45:13 GMT
In terms of depth; GK - Non-existent CB - Good starters, decent depth. Not a concern for me WBs - Decent starters, decent depth. Just want to see Neco on the right & hopefully Dasilva/Stevens can offer a lot & Huggins/RND return. Not a concern for me CM - Good starters but poor depth. Funny how Morrell used to get berated but without him it's looked threadbare. Hopefully the naysayers understand he has to be in the squad to be an option for when JJ/Ampadu need to come off AM/WF - Our strongest area. No real concerns, but think we will rely on a pool of 5/6 players to get goals rather than having a main man ST - Decent starting options but poor depth. Moore approaching his later years & doesn't look as athletic now to me. Behind him we're struggling and need to try someone that isn't Cullen Agree with all of that really. We need to keep giving Sheehan games, maybe have a look at Lee Evans again, Tom Lowery is another one I can think of. I like Cullen, he’s a good finisher and will be a decent player for us from the bench. I’d like to see Isaak Davies given a chance, he looks like a good player to me. Ward Mepham Rodon Davies Neco Amps James DaSilva Rambo Wilson I.Davies Plenty of options from the bench This is very telling when we talk about strength of depth but outside of JJ i only see Morrell as a realistic option (i dont think sheehan did enough to convince). Da silva did ok but he's not the quality we need, i dont think he'd be anywhere near most international sides. Cant see much past connor and neco although RND what's happening with him, genuine contender there. Finn Stevens for me didnt impress. Meps and rodons i haven't seen anyone else to give a good account of themselves there either (lockyer obs) - at least at international level. If we lose one of them we're in trouble. Clearly davies can play centre or LB how long will he last. And then the goalkeeper and striker situation is very desperate (in fact id get hennessey back in) - thought koumas look good mind and plenty of strength on those wings. Typical wales where we look good on starting 11 alone - we talk about tactics but realistically out of those starters what changes can page make from the bench apart from our wingers Outside that top eleven and apart from changing up our wingers we are in trouble, he's got a limited squad to work with and thats why we see james at left back when roberts is injured. Clearly the back 4 doesn't work for us too which to be fair he's tried - notably Gibraltar, Slovakia and Armenia - our worst results. Is this the result of losing flynn years ago? the development took a while until we saw the success but now we are seeing the end of the players he brought through. Do we have anyone like him scouting for talent, he was fantastic at what he did and for me will always be the official mastermind in our recent success. Speed, Osian, coleman and giggs and now page have pretty much played with the players he brought through at an early age. |
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Post by rncfc on Jun 21, 2024 9:18:21 GMT
Agree with all of that really. We need to keep giving Sheehan games, maybe have a look at Lee Evans again, Tom Lowery is another one I can think of. I like Cullen, he’s a good finisher and will be a decent player for us from the bench. I’d like to see Isaak Davies given a chance, he looks like a good player to me. Ward Mepham Rodon Davies Neco Amps James DaSilva Rambo Wilson I.Davies Plenty of options from the bench This is very telling when we talk about strength of depth but outside of JJ i only see Morrell as a realistic option (i dont think sheehan did enough to convince). Da silva did ok but he's not the quality we need, i dont think he'd be anywhere near most international sides. Cant see much past connor and neco although RND what's happening with him, genuine contender there. Finn Stevens for me didnt impress. Meps and rodons i haven't seen anyone else to give a good account of themselves there either (lockyer obs) - at least at international level. If we lose one of them we're in trouble. Clearly davies can play centre or LB how long will he last. And then the goalkeeper and striker situation is very desperate (in fact id get hennessey back in) - thought koumas look good mind and plenty of strength on those wings. Typical wales where we look good on starting 11 alone - we talk about tactics but realistically out of those starters what changes can page make from the bench apart from our wingers Outside that top eleven and apart from changing up our wingers we are in trouble, he's got a limited squad to work with and thats why we see james at left back when roberts is injured. Clearly the back 4 doesn't work for us too which to be fair he's tried - notably Gibraltar, Slovakia and Armenia - our worst results. Is this the result of losing flynn years ago? the development took a while until we saw the success but now we are seeing the end of the players he brought through. Do we have anyone like him scouting for talent, he was fantastic at what he did and for me will always be the official mastermind in our recent success. Speed, Osian, coleman and giggs and now page have pretty much played with the players he brought through at an early age. Sheehan is so much better than Morrell it's not even funny. |
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Post by njdragon on Jun 21, 2024 10:00:58 GMT
This is very telling when we talk about strength of depth but outside of JJ i only see Morrell as a realistic option (i dont think sheehan did enough to convince). Da silva did ok but he's not the quality we need, i dont think he'd be anywhere near most international sides. Cant see much past connor and neco although RND what's happening with him, genuine contender there. Finn Stevens for me didnt impress. Meps and rodons i haven't seen anyone else to give a good account of themselves there either (lockyer obs) - at least at international level. If we lose one of them we're in trouble. Clearly davies can play centre or LB how long will he last. And then the goalkeeper and striker situation is very desperate (in fact id get hennessey back in) - thought koumas look good mind and plenty of strength on those wings. Typical wales where we look good on starting 11 alone - we talk about tactics but realistically out of those starters what changes can page make from the bench apart from our wingers Outside that top eleven and apart from changing up our wingers we are in trouble, he's got a limited squad to work with and thats why we see james at left back when roberts is injured. Clearly the back 4 doesn't work for us too which to be fair he's tried - notably Gibraltar, Slovakia and Armenia - our worst results. Is this the result of losing flynn years ago? the development took a while until we saw the success but now we are seeing the end of the players he brought through. Do we have anyone like him scouting for talent, he was fantastic at what he did and for me will always be the official mastermind in our recent success. Speed, Osian, coleman and giggs and now page have pretty much played with the players he brought through at an early age. Sheehan is so much better than Morrell it's not even funny. maybe at club level but seen nothing from him to suggest he fits in that wales side - prove me wrong? |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 21, 2024 10:30:49 GMT
Has to be Bellamy or Osian. I'd be happy with either
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Post by hooky on Jun 21, 2024 10:35:05 GMT
Sheehan is so much better than Morrell it's not even funny. maybe at club level but seen nothing from him to suggest he fits in that wales side - prove me wrong? If we ever see Sheehan in a Welsh shirt in a competitive game we may as well wave the white flag Sorry but I have never been impressed by him and he looks like what he is - a lower division footballer I will never forget him against Slovakia when TWICE he was in an advanced position and we had someone free on the wings and despite taking seconds to think about it he turned back and passed it backwards and the ball ended up near our penalty area. Even Gunter was not that bad and he was a defensive full back with the emphasis on defensive. Sheehan is allegedly creative! |
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Post by njdragon on Jun 21, 2024 10:38:24 GMT
maybe at club level but seen nothing from him to suggest he fits in that wales side - prove me wrong? If we ever see Sheehan in a Welsh shirt in a competitive game we may as well wave the white flag Sorry but I have never been impressed by him and he looks like what he is - a lower division footballer I will never forget him against Slovakia when TWICE he was in an advanced position and we had someone free on the wings and despite taking seconds to think about it he turned back and passed it backwards and the ball ended up near our penalty area. Even Gunter was not that bad and he was a defensive full back with the emphasis on defensive. Sheehan is allegedly creative! exactly i think morrell is still our best option apart from amps and JJ, limited but just about works at international level |
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Post by iot on Jun 21, 2024 11:18:21 GMT
So your saying that had the penalty kicks against Poland gone in our favour, Page would / should have been sacked if we'd gone onto loose to The Netherlands, Austria and France. You’re deluded in your expectations. The Premier league first day fixtures were out yesterday. I looked through it and concluded we don't currently have a single nailed on starter in top flight football. In my years the cupboard containing quality footballers has never been so bare. While on here we're getting excited about a teenager joining Peterborough, our past and future rivals are cheering their Real Madrid based teenager scoring a worldie in Germany. We're in for a few lean years and would be whoever the manager is. I think you are totally forgetting that being a nailed on EPL starter is far far far harder in 2024 than 2014 and certainly harder than 2004. The quality of EPL players is now off the scale. You have players in non-elite EPL sides starting for Brazil and Argentina for example. Further up this thread people are talking about Simon Davies and Mark Delaney. Decrying why we cant produce EPL starters like that anymore. Things is, they wouldnt be EPL starters these days. Players that 30 years would be playing in the old first division would now be League One players. I think there's some merit to this, but it's also an exaggeration. There have always been quirks whereby players for top national sides play for second of third tier clubs. Ravanelli played for Italy and Middlesborough at the same time as far back as the 90s. People forget that Brazil have always relied on cloggers to support their star players when they've done well - there were a good couple in their 2002 WC winning side. Simon Davies got badly affected by injuries, but there was a point for Spurs where he was outstanding and Man U were after him. There are also much worse full backs currently playing in the prem than Mark Delaney. The quality in football generally is on a constant upward trajectory and the Premier League has improved somewhat more than other leagues due to the higher influx of foreign players, but I don't think the gap is nearly as big as you make out |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 21, 2024 11:26:10 GMT
I think you are totally forgetting that being a nailed on EPL starter is far far far harder in 2024 than 2014 and certainly harder than 2004. The quality of EPL players is now off the scale. You have players in non-elite EPL sides starting for Brazil and Argentina for example. Further up this thread people are talking about Simon Davies and Mark Delaney. Decrying why we cant produce EPL starters like that anymore. Things is, they wouldnt be EPL starters these days. Players that 30 years would be playing in the old first division would now be League One players. I think there's some merit to this, but it's also an exaggeration. There have always been quirks whereby players for top national sides play for second of third tier clubs. Ravanelli played for Italy and Middlesborough at the same time as far back as the 90s. People forget that Brazil have always relied on cloggers to support their star players when they've done well - there were a good couple in their 2002 WC winning side. Simon Davies got badly affected by injuries, but there was a point for Spurs where he was outstanding and Man U were after him. There are also much worse full backs currently playing in the prem than Mark Delaney. The quality in football generally is on a constant upward trajectory and the Premier League has improved somewhat more than other leagues due to the higher influx of foreign players, but I don't think the gap is nearly as big as you make out And comparing eras is pretty useless anyway. All you can go off is what standard can you get to within your era. We're struggling for out and out top flight players, I'd say our only ones are Davies, Brennan & Wilson. Maybe in 3-4 years we will have more. But in this era we're lacking top class talent for now. That means we should manage our expectations for this next cycle with the aim of being strong for Euro 2028 in my opinion |
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Post by pclaude on Jun 21, 2024 11:26:56 GMT
I think you are totally forgetting that being a nailed on EPL starter is far far far harder in 2024 than 2014 and certainly harder than 2004. The quality of EPL players is now off the scale. You have players in non-elite EPL sides starting for Brazil and Argentina for example. Further up this thread people are talking about Simon Davies and Mark Delaney. Decrying why we cant produce EPL starters like that anymore. Things is, they wouldnt be EPL starters these days. Players that 30 years would be playing in the old first division would now be League One players. I think there's some merit to this, but it's also an exaggeration. There have always been quirks whereby players for top national sides play for second of third tier clubs. Ravanelli played for Italy and Middlesborough at the same time as far back as the 90s. People forget that Brazil have always relied on cloggers to support their star players when they've done well - there were a good couple in their 2002 WC winning side. Simon Davies got badly affected by injuries, but there was a point for Spurs where he was outstanding and Man U were after him. There are also much worse full backs currently playing in the prem than Mark Delaney. The quality in football generally is on a constant upward trajectory and the Premier League has improved somewhat more than other leagues due to the higher influx of foreign players, but I don't think the gap is nearly as big as you make out Maybe. I dont think Brazil think Guimares and Douglas Luiz are their cloggers though. I maybe wrong on this but Ravanelli played for Boro in the Premier league? |
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Post by cadno on Jun 21, 2024 11:31:31 GMT
Agree with all of that really. We need to keep giving Sheehan games, maybe have a look at Lee Evans again, Tom Lowery is another one I can think of. I like Cullen, he’s a good finisher and will be a decent player for us from the bench. I’d like to see Isaak Davies given a chance, he looks like a good player to me. Ward Mepham Rodon Davies Neco Amps James DaSilva Rambo Wilson I.Davies Plenty of options from the bench Yeah always felt Lowery could be good at international level, but he seems to keep getting injured. Not sure if we could ever rely on him tbh Cullen I just feel is one of those players that is passable at Championship level but just doesn't have that *something* about him to make an impact at international level. I'd be happy to be proven wrong but would like to see others tried to see if they take to international level. Be that Davies, Evans, Mullin etc... I’d love to see Will Evans given a chance and Mullin. We just need someone like Lyndon Dykes for Scotland. Moore is one option but we need someone mobile, hard working, strong up top… Will Evans ticks these boxes imo, but give him a run or 10 games not 1 or two friendlies |
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Post by conwy10 on Jun 21, 2024 11:32:18 GMT
I think a big part of us not having much top flight players is people travel more now except us. We've always stayed quite close to home. You won't see Welsh people move to France, Netherlands, Germany USA to join academies. Other countries youths are willing to take a huge risk to chance their dreams.
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Post by iot on Jun 21, 2024 11:40:46 GMT
I think there's some merit to this, but it's also an exaggeration. There have always been quirks whereby players for top national sides play for second of third tier clubs. Ravanelli played for Italy and Middlesborough at the same time as far back as the 90s. People forget that Brazil have always relied on cloggers to support their star players when they've done well - there were a good couple in their 2002 WC winning side. Simon Davies got badly affected by injuries, but there was a point for Spurs where he was outstanding and Man U were after him. There are also much worse full backs currently playing in the prem than Mark Delaney. The quality in football generally is on a constant upward trajectory and the Premier League has improved somewhat more than other leagues due to the higher influx of foreign players, but I don't think the gap is nearly as big as you make out Maybe. I dont think Brazil think Guimares and Douglas Luiz are their cloggers though. I maybe wrong on this but Ravanelli played for Boro in the Premier league? sorry when I said second or third tier I didn't mean second/third division, just your equivalents to Guimares and Douglas Luiz - your mid to lower prem clubs. No they're not cloggers, but they're not world class players either. I doubt that they would make many people's list of their top 20 midfielders for example. You mentioned 2014 and 2004 as your reference points. Well a quick look at the starting lineups for the finals at the tournaments in those years shows that Argentina had players playing for Sampdoria and Benfica in the in 2014 World Cup final, and Portugal had many players for similar stature clubs starting in the Euro 2004 final. That's nothing new and I'm not convinced it's particularly strong evidence to support this point that the Premier league is so superior today, that the lack of players that we have at that level shouldn't be a concern. |
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Post by quetzal on Jun 21, 2024 11:46:56 GMT
Marco Rossi the Hungarian National team manager for me. Shame their forward Varga is missing chances in this Euros. They’ve looked decent.
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Post by iot on Jun 21, 2024 12:03:53 GMT
Oleksandr Petrakov would be another shout - someone we've come up against a lot recently. He won the u20 tournament with Ukraine, then took over the senior team towards the end of the WC qualifiers and we know how impressive they were during the playoffs (particularly given the circumstances). He then became Armenia's manager where he tactically outsmarted Page twice. I imagine he'd be cheap enough for us to obtain. The Croatian Manager might be another candidate - he's been with them for years so might fancy a change. There's likely to be a few decent foreign options.
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Post by gwernybwch on Jun 21, 2024 12:15:14 GMT
Marco Rossi the Hungarian National team manager for me. Shame their forward Varga is missing chances in this Euros. They’ve looked decent. If Hungary aren't successful at the Euro's, Rossi is more likely have an accidental fall from a balcony than become the next Manager of Wales. Here is an article about how right-wing politics and football are interwoven in Hungary - www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cekk4zp5rg8o |
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Post by talyfan on Jun 21, 2024 12:51:42 GMT
Someone cheap and cheerful. Fully expecting it to be Gunter or Matty Jones
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Post by quetzal on Jun 21, 2024 12:55:29 GMT
Just seen Mickey Thomas give a shout out to Gareth Bale being the new manager. I’d thought about Bale but he genuinely doesn’t seem too interested in football. Not for me.
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Post by dai on Jun 21, 2024 12:59:52 GMT
Someone cheap and cheerful. Fully expecting it to be Gunter or Matty Jones I did have a very worrying thought earlier about what it they give it to Gunter, seeing as he's part of the current setup. Disastrous idea, and surely not. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Jun 21, 2024 13:03:17 GMT
On the BBC Euro coverage Ashley Williams just joked that he may have to leave at half time when asked about the Wales job. At least I thought he was joking...
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Post by rushy on Jun 21, 2024 13:28:07 GMT
I have a sneaky feeling for Bellamy.
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Post by quetzal on Jun 21, 2024 13:40:23 GMT
I have a sneaky feeling for Bellamy. Split the vote with Giggs 3/3 and the FAW President had deciding vote. The Cardiff City bullying incidents might go against him. |
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Post by iot on Jun 21, 2024 14:21:42 GMT
I've seen no suggestion from Bale that he'd be interested in or would be capable of doing the job. I doubt he's even done the badges, that's just a lazy suggestion - what's this fixation with thinking that great players will make great managers? It's very rarely true. I don't think we'd go for an Ash or a Gunter - the decision-makers would rightly get torn to pieces for making that sort of appointment. It has to be Osian, Bellamy, Jones, or an overseas coach.
There wasn't anything in that Sam Allardyce link last week was there?
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Post by CrackityJones on Jun 21, 2024 14:37:45 GMT
Bloody hope not
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Post by pclaude on Jun 21, 2024 18:44:44 GMT
Oleksandr Petrakov would be another shout - someone we've come up against a lot recently. He won the u20 tournament with Ukraine, then took over the senior team towards the end of the WC qualifiers and we know how impressive they were during the playoffs (particularly given the circumstances). He then became Armenia's manager where he tactically outsmarted Page twice. I imagine he'd be cheap enough for us to obtain. The Croatian Manager might be another candidate - he's been with them for years so might fancy a change. There's likely to be a few decent foreign options. This is a route I would seriously consider us going down. Roberts would be my first port of call. |
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Post by talyfan on Jun 21, 2024 19:05:16 GMT
Not to sound bad but can Oleksandr Petrakov speak English or at least to the level he'd need to coach here? On top of his coaching staff.
No doubting good coach but if he can't speak the language and with limited contact time between camps might be a bit of a stumbling block.
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Post by winsumluzsum on Jun 21, 2024 19:41:04 GMT
Not to sound bad but can Oleksandr Petrakov speak English or at least to the level he'd need to coach here? On top of his coaching staff. No doubting good coach but if he can't speak the language and with limited contact time between camps might be a bit of a stumbling block. Good point. |
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Post by iot on Jun 21, 2024 21:24:55 GMT
Not to sound bad but can Oleksandr Petrakov speak English or at least to the level he'd need to coach here? On top of his coaching staff. No doubting good coach but if he can't speak the language and with limited contact time between camps might be a bit of a stumbling block. It is a fair point, but I doubt he speaks Armenian either and that doesn’t seem to have been too much of an issue. |
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