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Post by winsumluzsum on Oct 14, 2024 9:55:41 GMT
First chance I've had to watch the game back this morning, and the defending for the two Iceland goals is really poor. You're looking for intensity without the ball, Wilson is walking and gesturing rather than putting pressure on the player with the ball, and Moore is hesitant in coming out to close down. The second goal is worse, Roberts beaten too easily, Thomas starts to follow his man then gives up, Rodon tries a kneeling block rather than cutting off the direct channel to goal. If I was Bellamy I'd be furious after that. To be fair Roberts was at a big disadvantage because the overlapping full back was running at full speed whereas Roberts was stationary. Sorba should have covered the run but just slowed to a stop. Rodon sold himself rather than engaging the runner. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 14, 2024 11:37:13 GMT
Full backs aren't CMs, even the ones that invert. Inverting and actually playing CM are completely different things. Hence why when Trent actually played in midfield for England in the summer it was a bit of a disaster. Neco can't play CMyes I agree totally that's why I added the caveat IF there are no other options and we/ I am guessing what may happen its not what I want to see wanted to see your team and your ideas to see your solution we are basically down to the bare bones in CM the 2 CMs[fully match fit] are cooper and Sheehan and that with all due respect doesnt install confidence, or give the options to play as Bellamy wants you need an extra body in there IMO so Joe can do a job possibly for 45mins max, so perhaps its a 4-2-3-1 with the attacking options to include both wilson+brooks its going to be a challenge but I am looking forward to seeing how Bellamy addresses it Has to be a combination of Sheehan/Allen splitting the role. From the noises Bellamy is making in his pressers, I expect Sheehan to start and I actually prefer that as I want to see what he can do in this system. Allen we know can come on for the last half hour if needed, but I want to see if Sheehan can be useful in this type of international |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Oct 14, 2024 12:29:40 GMT
yes I agree totally that's why I added the caveat IF there are no other options and we/ I am guessing what may happen its not what I want to see wanted to see your team and your ideas to see your solution we are basically down to the bare bones in CM the 2 CMs[fully match fit] are cooper and Sheehan and that with all due respect doesnt install confidence, or give the options to play as Bellamy wants you need an extra body in there IMO so Joe can do a job possibly for 45mins max, so perhaps its a 4-2-3-1 with the attacking options to include both wilson+brooks its going to be a challenge but I am looking forward to seeing how Bellamy addresses it Has to be a combination of Sheehan/Allen splitting the role. From the noises Bellamy is making in his pressers, I expect Sheehan to start and I actually prefer that as I want to see what he can do in this system. Allen we know can come on for the last half hour if needed, but I want to see if Sheehan can be useful in this type of international I agree entirely. His previous caps have come in meaningless friendlies where we've typically been under strength. This is his first opportunity to play in a competitive fixture, from the off, alongside a reasonably strong set of teammates. A fair chance to assess whether he's up to the task. |
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Post by dai on Oct 14, 2024 12:56:10 GMT
Anyone else have a bad feeling about tonight??
Montenegro are a decent side and Im not sure how we’ll cope in midfield.
Think 3-5-2 may be the best approach, play Neco at RWB and cap Beck at LWB.
Midfield of Sheehan, Wilson and Allen / Cooper.
Dont want to see Moore starting again, put Koumas and Harris up front.
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Post by winsumluzsum on Oct 14, 2024 12:59:04 GMT
Anyone else have a bad feeling about tonight?? Montenegro are a decent side and Im not sure how we’ll cope in midfield. Think 3-5-2 may be the best approach, play Neco at RWB and cap Beck at LWB. Midfield of Sheehan, Wilson and Allen / Cooper. Dont want to see Moore starting again, put Koumas and Harris up front. A victory is by no means guaranteed. We should still be favourites and, at home, on a good surface, we should be best positioned to implement Bellamy's plans. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 14, 2024 13:00:54 GMT
Anyone else have a bad feeling about tonight?? Montenegro are a decent side and Im not sure how we’ll cope in midfield. Think 3-5-2 may be the best approach, play Neco at RWB and cap Beck at LWB. Midfield of Sheehan, Wilson and Allen / Cooper. Dont want to see Moore starting again, put Koumas and Harris up front. I think playing on a nice surface at home will help us quite a bit. Although it feels like this game is quite key in setting the narrative around Bellamy going into the decisive NL games. Win and play like we have in the 1st half then people will feel optimistic of us winning the group. Draw/lose and play like we have in the 2nd half then people will be pessimistic and start re-assessing where we are at For what it's worth I think we'll win 3-1, but I wouldn't mind seeing a more controlled performance with less ups and downs. That should be enough to beat Montenegro |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Oct 14, 2024 13:07:12 GMT
Team for tonight. Formation is out-if-possession:
‐-----------Darlow
Roberts--Mepham--Rodon--Davies
Neco--Sheehan--Cooper--Thomas
--------Moore--Wilson
Allen for Cooper after an hour, Brooks for Wilson after an hour, Broadhead for Moore after an hour.
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Post by winsumluzsum on Oct 14, 2024 13:31:29 GMT
RND to come on for half an hour perhaps. Has be ever played on the right?
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 14, 2024 14:27:10 GMT
Team for tonight. Formation is out-if-possession: ‐-----------Darlow Roberts--Mepham--Rodon--Davies Neco--Sheehan--Cooper--Thomas --------Moore--Wilson Allen for Cooper after an hour, Brooks for Wilson after an hour, Broadhead for Moore after an hour. I think there will be a bit more rotation. Don't think it will be Connor & Neco, one or the other (probably Neco). Think Sorba won't start twice in a row. Also think Moore definitely won't start given he was flogged for the full 90 against Iceland. I'm expecting Brooks & Koumas to come in, the rest will be decided on fitness imo |
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Post by iot on Oct 14, 2024 14:32:55 GMT
Anyone else have a bad feeling about tonight?? Montenegro are a decent side and Im not sure how we’ll cope in midfield. Think 3-5-2 may be the best approach, play Neco at RWB and cap Beck at LWB. Midfield of Sheehan, Wilson and Allen / Cooper. Dont want to see Moore starting again, put Koumas and Harris up front. Yeah I see us struggling too, just missing too much quality with the injuries, suspensions, and inevitable rotation. I just don't think those coming in will be quite up to it. I'd be very surprised to see the formation you've asked for though because Bellamy doesn't use traditional wing backs who just bomb up and down. That's not how his system works. You might see Neco at right wing like he did in the away game, but I can't see Connor fit enough to start again so Neco will probably start at right back. |
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Post by llyn on Oct 14, 2024 14:54:09 GMT
Yep I agree with above that with our current form over 90mins and the players out this could be a very tough night. Bellamy has not done bad, equally not as good as many in the media and fans are saying. I really don't get this "it's so exciting" stuff.
It's arguable that there has been any improvement in results since Page left. For some it appears that the Nations League is just some friendlies for us to learn some lessons, whereas if it goes wrong it could mean being in the 3rd pot for the WC draw and no WC play-off place to fall back on.
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Post by surge on Oct 14, 2024 14:57:43 GMT
I see these games as Bellamy learning how to manage with injuries, suspensions, players out of form and the media interest when things aren't going your way. He's trying to build depth, he's trying to work out how much he can push his principles and where he has to dial back.
Don't know enough about Montenegro so judge them.
Weirdly I am not really looking forward to tonight because I didn't like the atmosphere against Turkey in the ground and didn't like the reaction post Iceland game online.
Would quite like to see how far Cabango, Sorba Thomas and Mark Harris have come along, and continue to see Wilson, Neco grow into leaders of this side.
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Post by winsumluzsum on Oct 14, 2024 14:58:52 GMT
Team for tonight. Formation is out-if-possession: ‐-----------Darlow Roberts--Mepham--Rodon--Davies Neco--Sheehan--Cooper--Thomas --------Moore--Wilson Allen for Cooper after an hour, Brooks for Wilson after an hour, Broadhead for Moore after an hour. I think there will be a bit more rotation. Don't think it will be Connor & Neco, one or the other (probably Neco). Think Sorba won't start twice in a row. Also think Moore definitely won't start given he was flogged for the full 90 against Iceland. I'm expecting Brooks & Koumas to come in, the rest will be decided on fitness imo You could be right on a few fronts. Moore to start is the biggest doubt. Harris is the obvious option - that should help our press from the front. I think Roberts will start again unless he's struggling with his recovery. There's no obvious alternative to Thomas, other than Burns again. By the way we were definitely 4-2-3-1 out of possession against Iceland, with Cooper alongside James. Assuming Cooper has recovered, he's got to start alongside Sheehan. Surely |
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Post by smudger1 on Oct 14, 2024 15:40:54 GMT
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Post by rushy on Oct 14, 2024 16:31:17 GMT
We are looking rather light in the middle, so I'd definitely play Beck LB, Neco RB and how about Roberts in CM, he's played there for Burnley, up top is anyone's guess.
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Post by iot on Oct 14, 2024 16:42:36 GMT
We are looking rather light in the middle, so I'd definitely play Beck LB, Neco RB and how about Roberts in CM, he's played there for Burnley, up top is anyone's guess. Connor hasn’t played CM for Burnley, he’s played this inverted full back role where he spends most of his time in midfield when we’re on the ball. If he’s fit to play, I’m almost 100% sure it will be in the same position |
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Post by welshwhite on Oct 14, 2024 17:44:20 GMT
I love watching Josh Sheehan play, but I appreciate few others share my enthusiasm.
In the light of what Bellamy says is his preferred style going forward, I'm surprised he's not had more faith in Josh, he is one of the few players in the squad, maybe the only one other than Allen, who can receive the ball in tight spaces, turn, and play out from the back under pressure in the way that Bellamy wants to draw out the opposition and find spaces in between and behind the lines.
But I do worry about him if he plays tonight in the absence of James, but Ampadu especially. I feel for Josh that he has never had the opportunity to play with Amapdu as the enforcer, because that's not Josh's game, I think those two would make a good partnership.
I do worry he will be exposed defensively alongside Cooper and Wilson, he's a playmaker not a traditional defensive midfield player, and I hope people realise this.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 14, 2024 17:45:41 GMT
Lineup confirmed:
Darlow
Neco
Cabango
Rodon
Davies
Sheehan
Wilson
Brooks
Cullen
Harris
Burns
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Post by kracken88 on Oct 14, 2024 17:48:17 GMT
So good to see brooks back in the side,a bit rusty I would imagine but still, always good to see such quality back.
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Post by ystradwales on Oct 14, 2024 17:49:06 GMT
Or is it
Burns/Rodon/Cabango/Davies/Nico
Wilson/sheenan
Brooks/Harris/Cullen
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 14, 2024 17:49:13 GMT
Probably the weakest forward line we've put out in a while. Would have preferred Koumas to Burns, although I don't mind Bellamy testing out the squad - Giggs did much the same thing before settling on a group of players he was happy with
Defense is strong enough tho, and I hope Cabango takes his chance. Travelled around a lot with us without much of a look in. Brooks & Wilson both playing should being plenty of creativity too
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Post by winsumluzsum on Oct 14, 2024 17:51:21 GMT
Looks like a 4-4-2 out of possession with Cullen and Harris, with Brooks and Burns either side. Glad to see Sheehan start, I assume he's partnered with Wilson out of possession.
Surprised to see Cabango ahead of Mepham, given that his distribution from the back is hit and miss, although he is a decent defender.
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Post by winsumluzsum on Oct 14, 2024 17:53:04 GMT
Or is it Burns/Rodon/Cabango/Davies/Nico Wilson/sheenan Brooks/Harris/Cullen Could be, albeit a 5-3-2 with Brooks in midfield. That would be a very creative midfield. |
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Post by fireboy0610 on Oct 14, 2024 17:58:03 GMT
Lineup confirmed: Darlow Neco Cabango Rodon Davies Sheehan Wilson Brooks Cullen Harris Burns It's 3 4 3 Darlow Rodon Cabango Davies N Williams Sheehan Wilson Burns Cullen Harris Brooks Plenty of options for ttacking players to switch positions and loads of options off the bench. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 14, 2024 17:59:35 GMT
Lineup confirmed: Darlow Neco Cabango Rodon Davies Sheehan Wilson Brooks Cullen Harris Burns It's 3 4 3 Darlow Rodon Cabango Davies N Williams Sheehan Wilson Burns Cullen Harris Brooks Bellamy doesn't play formations, he plays shapes (famously) |
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Post by fireboy0610 on Oct 14, 2024 18:01:51 GMT
It's 3 4 3 Darlow Rodon Cabango Davies N Williams Sheehan Wilson Burns Cullen Harris Brooks Bellamy doesn't play formations, he plays shapes (famously) 🤣 |
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Post by dragon64 on Oct 14, 2024 18:02:46 GMT
We are looking rather light in the middle, so I'd definitely play Beck LB, Neco RB and how about Roberts in CM, he's played there for Burnley, up top is anyone's guess. he isnt match fit |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Oct 14, 2024 18:07:28 GMT
Lineup confirmed: Darlow Neco Cabango Rodon Davies Sheehan Wilson Brooks Cullen Harris Burns It's 3 4 3 Darlow Rodon Cabango Davies N Williams Sheehan Wilson Burns Cullen Harris Brooks Plenty of options for ttacking players to switch positions and loads of options off the bench. Is this your take or has this been confirmed? |
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Post by dragon64 on Oct 14, 2024 18:08:11 GMT
interesting team
so it looks like 3-4-3 but bellamy has said he wants to play with a back 4
we will find out IMO it will be fluid with players changing positions
Burns is lucky to get a start
Harris gets his first start, go on lad stake a place
seven changes in total
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Post by insertname on Oct 14, 2024 18:10:02 GMT
I’ve not been keeping up with injuries/suspensions but all I’ll say is that looks like the team you pick for a friendly when you’re just pissing about. It’s either genius or very disrespectful to Montenegro, who aren’t as good as they were in their prime but not *that* bad.
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