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Post by cardibach on Oct 19, 2011 13:44:01 GMT
Yesterday the rankings were a nonsense and had no bearing of a sides quality. Today they are an indicator that we will have a close group and that 2nd is possible. You couldnt make it up. Just my point! If the groups were being drawn today, where would we be? Still in pot 6? The whole rankings system is a joke. As for geography, I don't think that's the reason why sides will take points off each other. If San Marino were in Italy's group, do you still think that would be the case? France and Andorra? The reason sides will take points off each other is that all teams are of a similar standard. Most of the countries in the group have gone up and down the world rankings like yo-yo's in the past. As we have seen recently, a few good results see you shoot up the rankings, and a few bad results see you shoot down again. At the moment we're all quite close together - wonder where we'll be at the end of the qualifying group. |
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Post by welshwizard79 on Oct 19, 2011 14:32:45 GMT
I generally agree with you that the rankings are total and utter nonsense RD. The thing is, if Welsh 'journalists' like Delme Parfitt are using our 117th place ranking as a basis to write articles on the death of Welsh football (as he did), is he now going to acknowledge and write about our amzing 72 place jump? I won't be holding my breath... Also, the English football press had a field day with our 117th place ranking. Are they going to have a similar field day with our 72 place rise? Again, no breath holding from me...  |
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Post by saints19 on Oct 19, 2011 15:03:30 GMT
Yesterday the rankings were a nonsense and had no bearing of a sides quality. Today they are an indicator that we will have a close group and that 2nd is possible. You couldnt make it up. Qft |
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Post by welshwizard79 on Oct 19, 2011 15:18:58 GMT
Interesting climb by us! If you look at the World Cup qualifying group, the rankings are now a lot closer together! Croatia 12th Serbia 23rd Belgium 37th Scotland 51st Macedonia 93rdCymru 45th I think second in the group is more than acheivable, especially as all teams will be taking points off each other. I see Tosh is working his magic there. www.youtube.com/watch?v=0baokT9za2Q&feature=related  |
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Post by welshwizard79 on Oct 19, 2011 15:23:06 GMT
Yesterday the rankings were a nonsense and had no bearing of a sides quality. Today they are an indicator that we will have a close group and that 2nd is possible. You couldnt make it up. Qft what does that mean? Im not down with the kids anymore. |
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Post by saints19 on Oct 19, 2011 15:24:34 GMT
Quoted for truth.
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Post by Tim P on Oct 19, 2011 21:06:29 GMT
Just had a look at the Failonline article. Read a comment from a 'ballistic bluebird' - this poster claims to not support the national team. I've met people with varying degrees of interest in the national team, but never someone who out and out states that they do not support us. His choice, but still - what a cunt.
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Post by blogdroed on Oct 19, 2011 21:12:43 GMT
Oh, shit, now I want to click on that link  But it's a Daily Cunt link ... oh, what to do? |
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Post by ontheroadagain on Oct 19, 2011 21:36:33 GMT
Oh, shit, now I want to click on that link But it's a Daily Cunt link ... oh, what to do? Decisions, decisions?  Had a look against my better judgement to read the article which put Wales first. Couldn't stay long enough to read the comments below. |
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Post by flynnfan on Oct 19, 2011 22:26:13 GMT
Go on quickly and give my comment a thumbs up- it's the first one so you don't have to read the rest! I couldn't resist the opportunity to have a go at Delme Parfitt following that piece of shit article he wrote a few months back.
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Post by blogdroed on Oct 19, 2011 22:37:16 GMT
Okay, I clicked - against my better judgement ... that story has no comments!
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Post by Tim P on Oct 20, 2011 9:14:17 GMT
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Post by tmwrnj on Oct 20, 2011 9:41:01 GMT
I never realised we were in pot sox that must be one less than pot six, one above pot pants (surely the lowest pot attainable).
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Post by Tim P on Oct 20, 2011 9:58:05 GMT
I never realised we were in pot sox that must be one less than pot six, one above pot pants (surely the lowest pot attainable). Haha. Nice username name by the way! |
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Post by flynnfan on Oct 20, 2011 10:10:31 GMT
I never realised we were in pot sox that must be one less than pot six, one above pot pants (surely the lowest pot attainable).
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What do you expect? That article was written by Jon Doel, an even bigger cunt than Delme Parfitt, if that's possible. One of those 'Welshmen' who support England and make me want to puke. Preferably all over him. Amazing that we are supposed to accept these people as 'Welsh football journalists'....
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Post by newaddingtonwelsh on Oct 20, 2011 17:55:35 GMT
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Post by welshwizard79 on Oct 20, 2011 19:48:55 GMT
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Post by Tim P on Nov 23, 2011 13:18:13 GMT
I was surprised to see that we've dropped a couple of places in the rankings. One of the comments on the Fail website said this: The simple reason for this is that the rankings include results going back 4 years. 4 years ago we had just drawn at home with Ireland and away at Germany in world cup qualifiers, earning a decent amount of FIFA ranking points. So the reason we have gone down slightly is based on the fact that those results have now disappeared from the 4 year backlog of points. It's not the most simple system to understand, but a small amount of effort on the part of the journalist wouldn't go amiss here to enlighten some of the readers who dont have the time to go and research these things. Lazy reporting again!! Read More www.walesonline.co.uk/footballnation/football-news/2011/11/23/wales-drop-five-places-in-fifa-rankings-despite-three-straight-wins-91466-29827205/#ixzz1eXAxjbbJCan someone confirm if this is correct? If it is, it will mean that I finally understand the system. |
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Post by llannerch on Nov 23, 2011 13:22:50 GMT
Yes it is. Similar to the ATP Tennis and Pro Golf rankings
The value of results more recently is greater than of those longer ago also so that softens the fall a bit.
Either way, they're largely meaningless and get a hugely disproportionate amount of coverage
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Post by georgetm1 on Nov 23, 2011 14:56:41 GMT
It is stupid though. We nail a team around 20 places higher and then get knocked down 5 places.
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Post by gareth on Nov 23, 2011 15:21:16 GMT
It does sound stupid but it may have helped us in rising up the rankins in the previous few months (possible poor results dropping off the 4 year radar). Luckily we haven't had a massive amount to shout out about in the last 2-3 years (maybe more), so a we shouldn't see many movements down the rankings after winning.
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Post by morg on Nov 23, 2011 16:32:06 GMT
Yep, that's my understanding. The other oddity (I think) is that a 2-1 win against Norway would have given us the same amount of points as the 4-1 win did....
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Post by leescratchpele on Nov 23, 2011 17:55:58 GMT
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Post by stu on Nov 23, 2011 18:01:34 GMT
Someone actually asked Edgar about this on his blog and this is what he answered... Ed said... Believe it or not, but it is primarily the devaluating points for the win over Scotland in november 2009 that causes this drop for Wales. The 462 match-points for this win going from the second time-frame into the lower-weighted third, cost Wales some 30 FIFA-points.* The friendly win over Norway doesn't do much in terms of lifting the already high first time-frame average, so that's why Wales drops in FIFA-points and thus some places in the ranking. No opponent in a friendly could have prevented this, because you know a friendly can deliver a maximum of 600 match-points. That's the way the FIFA-ranking works ! www.football-rankings.info/2011/11/fifa-ranking-november-2011-final.html?showComment=1321692015482#c3744213714812349649Morg, It's not an oddity the rankings work out on the basis that you get points for a draw or a win and nothing for a loss. What people have to also remember (apart from the four year thing*) is that we're not the only country playing games and some countries play friendlies (low ranking points) whilst others play qualifiers (higher scoring). Sometimes you'll move up when you lose and move down when you win.  (I just wanted to add that ranking points are calculated over 4 years and the results from this year are worth more than last years and so on). |
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Post by morg on Nov 23, 2011 21:54:36 GMT
Morg, It's not an oddity the rankings work out on the basis that you get points for a draw or a win and nothing for a loss. No, I get that. Just that IMHO beating someone by 3 goals should get more points than beating them by 1. E.g. rugby rankings differentiate between a <15 point win and a >15 point win. |
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Post by scoop76 on Nov 24, 2011 15:28:45 GMT
In November 2010 we were ranked 111th. A year later we are ranked 50th. Competitive wins over Belgium, Serbia, Scotland or Croatia would see us climb even higher by November 2012. I'd say those year on year positions are what matter most.
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Post by welshwizard79 on Nov 24, 2011 15:33:09 GMT
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Post by saints19 on Nov 24, 2011 15:46:50 GMT
Someone actually asked Edgar about this on his blog and this is what he answered... Ed said... Believe it or not, but it is primarily the devaluating points for the win over Scotland in november 2009 that causes this drop for Wales. The 462 match-points for this win going from the second time-frame into the lower-weighted third, cost Wales some 30 FIFA-points.* The friendly win over Norway doesn't do much in terms of lifting the already high first time-frame average, so that's why Wales drops in FIFA-points and thus some places in the ranking. No opponent in a friendly could have prevented this, because you know a friendly can deliver a maximum of 600 match-points. That's the way the FIFA-ranking works ! www.football-rankings.info/2011/11/fifa-ranking-november-2011-final.html?showComment=1321692015482#c3744213714812349649Morg, It's not an oddity the rankings work out on the basis that you get points for a draw or a win and nothing for a loss. What people have to also remember (apart from the four year thing*) is that we're not the only country playing games and some countries play friendlies (low ranking points) whilst others play qualifiers (higher scoring). Sometimes you'll move up when you lose and move down when you win. (I just wanted to add that ranking points are calculated over 4 years and the results from this year are worth more than last years and so on). Ha! That was my question. I posted it up in a drunken state, hence the demanding tone. Glad to have some clarity on this burning issue, thanks for posting it up. ;D |
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Post by stu on Nov 25, 2011 20:54:50 GMT
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Feb 15, 2012 10:24:20 GMT
Wales are officially up to 42nd in the Fifa world rankings.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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