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Post by flynnfan on Sept 6, 2010 20:40:30 GMT
1-The job he's done at youth level over the last 6 years (especially considering how bad we were before)
2- The players like him - I don't know them personally but listening to the way our young players speak about him, it's obvious.
3- The 'real' fans want him - be good for galvanising our hardcore support behind the team
4- Record as underdog- We are always going to be low seeds- Flynn has an excellent record of cup upsets (Arsenal, West Ham, Boro etc) and beating the big nations at U21 level (France, Italy, Romania etc)
5- Knows the players, set up, who's coming through etc so transition would be smooth (you could hardly say the same thing about Martin O Neil- as good as he is)
6- Pride and passion- I know these words are a bit talksport, but I really don't think there's anyone else who'd be more pleased to get the job.
7- Style of play- even at Wrecsam he always tried to get the players to pass the ball, 1-2s, triangles etc. Its really good to watch. He's always emphasising that the u21s are set up to score goals too, and he's not wrong (4 v France, Sweden, Hungary, Bosnia, 3 v Romania, 2 v England, Italy..)
8- He'd be affordable- I know people will say its a lack of ambition, but I really don't think we could afford Ryan Giggs anyway. Or 'someone foreign'
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Post by Tim P on Sept 6, 2010 20:48:34 GMT
i can't see any arguments against any of those points.
i have to say though that i am amazed, and horrified to some extent, at tosh's apparent favouring of giggs over flynn. i suspect that this could be Fail talk.
for me, if giggs is interested, really interested in making a long term contribution, he should make noises about being flynn's assistant. suggestions of them working the other way round are ludicrous.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2010 20:54:03 GMT
Two very sensible posts
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Post by rhys on Sept 6, 2010 20:58:12 GMT
As someone else recently said, it would be the pinnicle of his career and he would give it everything he has instead of using it as a stepping stone.
I would love Flynn with Giggs or Hartson as assistant. Flynn with Hartson would probably be the best option, the amount of passion between them would get any player playing for the shirt.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2010 21:02:32 GMT
Can we have some reasons why it SHOULDNT be Flynn?
I mean, it looks cut and dried that it should be him, especially based on what he's achieved at under 21 level........so why were there so many dissenting voices on the DS forum that had doubts about him? Where could it all go wrong?
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Post by marsvolta on Sept 6, 2010 21:19:22 GMT
this must be music to the ears of the FAW.the 'fans choice' is also the easiest and cheapest option.
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Post by Tim P on Sept 6, 2010 21:34:05 GMT
Can we have some reasons why it SHOULDNT be Flynn? I mean, it looks cut and dried that it should be him, especially based on what he's achieved at under 21 level........so why were there so many dissenting voices on the DS forum that had doubts about him? Where could it all go wrong? i was one of the dissenters. my reasons were: mediocre, unambitious club career in management players wouldn't listen to him u21 football is a world away from full level football of any kind - let alone internationals. i'm happy to concede that i was wrong about the first two points, but i still have a slight concern about the third. still, he is the best candidate and he deserves his chance. |
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Post by idiot on Sept 6, 2010 21:34:56 GMT
Can we have some reasons why it SHOULDNT be Flynn? I mean, it looks cut and dried that it should be him, especially based on what he's achieved at under 21 level........so why were there so many dissenting voices on the DS forum that had doubts about him? Where could it all go wrong? he's never managed at a decent league level nevermind international level(u21's dont count) he seem's quite timid and like his under 21 side and after friday the senior side we might find him being bullied and intimidated quite easily..im thinking about things like arranging fixtures for qualifiers/intimidated by big name players and their clubs/let the faw walk all over him |
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Post by newaddingtonwelsh on Sept 6, 2010 23:18:39 GMT
the welsh fa will probably appoint that idiot Dean Saunders a younger version of John Toshack, he has had a part in destroying both Wrexham and our senior side
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Post by youngdragon on Sept 7, 2010 9:12:50 GMT
if either dean saunders or roy evans get it i will cry
but it would make poeple realise just how good tosh was
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Post by cilmeri on Sept 7, 2010 11:13:28 GMT
Can we have some reasons why it SHOULDNT be Flynn? I mean, it looks cut and dried that it should be him, especially based on what he's achieved at under 21 level........so why were there so many dissenting voices on the DS forum that had doubts about him? Where could it all go wrong? he's never managed at a decent league level nevermind international level(u21's dont count) he seem's quite timid and like his under 21 side and after friday the senior side we might find him being bullied and intimidated quite easily..im thinking about things like arranging fixtures for qualifiers/intimidated by big name players and their clubs/let the faw walk all over him Heard a story once about a journalist who said something mildly negative about Flynn and Wrexham (after a defeat I think). The response he got from Flynn show's he's not at all timid. I was surprised as I imagined him to timid as well - but I guess you don't play football to the level / as long as he did and still be in management as long as he has been without having a lot of steel. I imagine he's one of those nice guy types that you wouldn't dare to cross - which possibly is why they like him and admire him at u21s. For me he's always been my no1 choice to follow Tosh. I was happy that Tosh got the nod last time down to his experience etc., but always felt that Flynn deserved a crack. Nevertheless I have the same reservations as to whether he could do it at full international level - is it similar to a no2 trying to do a no1s job (see Brian Kidd, Carlos Queiroz) - but given that the squad is largely made up of kids he's coached at u21 who know him and looks like respect him then he deserves a shot. Also any talk of Giggs being his assistant should be premature. The FAW should appoint the head coach. The head coach should then appoint his staff. |
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Post by squatter1 on Sept 7, 2010 12:32:44 GMT
Flynn is the right choice.
Giggs under him as first team coach is perfect because he brings the media attention and added respect from players.
Hartson should then go to the U21s to learn the trade, and potentially line himself up as next boss.
One name missing in all of this, and many other threads, is that Mark Bowen is surely a potential candidate too? After Flynn, I think I'd rather see Bowen than any other Welsh candidate.
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Post by bellamyforever on Sept 9, 2010 15:03:41 GMT
surely the new manager must by flynn?
giggs left us in the lurch
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Post by joeystatic on Sept 9, 2010 15:22:27 GMT
has to be flynn, this is his crop of young players that are coming though and he's gotten the best out of them so far. hes the people choice, probably the cheapest and he's welsh, cant see anyone else getting it.
but would like to see hartson and giggs in the coaching setup and maybe a decent defensive coach
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Post by flynnfan on Sept 9, 2010 15:29:31 GMT
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Post by Bastion on Sept 9, 2010 15:58:09 GMT
and remember, for pretty much all of his managerial career he's never had money to spend, I know I'm stating the obvious but you can't buy players at international level like Martin O'Neill would be used to doing. At Wrexham he even had to sell his top players but still did well. At U21 his brighter prospects would be elevated to the full side and he still did well.
He might not have managed a big 4 club but he's done well wherever he's been and as U21 boss for 6 years he's got more international managerial experience than most. People talk about his rapport with our players but surely his current role would also give him some knowledge on young opponents coming through.
Plus, FAW, as has already been mentioned, he must be cheaper than Giggs, O'Neill and co.
Win with Flynn! Win with Flynn!
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Post by caradocevans on Sept 10, 2010 16:05:09 GMT
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Post by caradocevans on Sept 10, 2010 16:07:10 GMT
Don't think it's a bad idea myself. If he does well the job will be his.
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Post by caradocevans on Sept 10, 2010 16:31:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2010 16:40:32 GMT
good news everybody needs to get behind him and hopefully two positive results next month!!!
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Post by Tim P on Sept 10, 2010 17:04:20 GMT
i agree that this is probably the best way; i'm going to say something bananas - we will get 6 points.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2010 17:04:26 GMT
It's the best way, I don't think we can lose in this situation. Toshack has gone so that's great to start with. A man the players know and respect has got 2 games to prove what he can do and if it all goes the way of the pear we can look elsewhere.
That being said I really really really hope flynny pulls a couple of cracking performances out of the bag and we get 4 points by hook or by crook.
In no uncertain terms the players need to produce now. They need to have their best games for Wales against Bulgaria and then beat that performance a few days later against the swiss.
I'm really excited now to see who turns up, who declares themselves available, what the team and formation is and how well we play.
Flynny could prove that tosh has actually been holding us back for the last few years :/
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Post by Tim P on Sept 10, 2010 17:06:52 GMT
enthusiasm from the players
attacking - be it on the counter, or 'attack' attack, football
no going back to rats like danny collins
better crowds
staying at the CC Stadium
minimal player/manager fallouts - but no pandering to twats either.
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Post by Tim P on Sept 10, 2010 17:27:10 GMT
the players buying into his Idea
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Post by muaythai on Sept 10, 2010 17:51:32 GMT
its going to be alot happier era under flynn i hope he becomes fulltime manager
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Post by welshorp on Sept 10, 2010 19:20:29 GMT
confused.com? what has danny collins done wrong to call him a rat?
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Post by newaddingtonwelsh on Sept 10, 2010 19:40:39 GMT
confused.com? what has danny collins done wrong to call him a rat?
Is it because he plays for stoke city? a team mate of dirty ryan shawcross? or is it because footballers like him are pampered cry babies who have let our nation down
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Sept 10, 2010 19:44:50 GMT
To be honest were to small a nation to not ask the retired players to come back, plus they will add quality and depth to the squad. I know everyone(or most) will dissagree but i would love savage in the set up some where he is passionate and could fire any body up.
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Sept 10, 2010 19:58:16 GMT
Cant wait to go to the next game now i would of anyway but i like flynn, his teams play with passion flair and at a high tempo could be very good for wales! come on wales you can do it.
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Post by andywales on Sept 10, 2010 20:35:11 GMT
I'll book my tickets to Poland & Ukraine now!!
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