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Post by raptor on Sept 7, 2010 17:16:53 GMT
looks to be at least 5 better runners up than us. Only 4 needed.
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Post by flynnfan on Sept 7, 2010 17:19:45 GMT
Still can't get over how stupid group 3 looks with us behind Italy despite the same points and better goal difference....
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Post by Tim P on Sept 7, 2010 17:24:03 GMT
that's how they do it in la liga i think.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2010 18:05:30 GMT
Please tell me we are seeded second next time round though?
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Post by scoop76 on Sept 7, 2010 18:25:14 GMT
The bad news:
We missed out on goal difference to Iceland.
Iceland had a bigger goal difference than us because they won 8-0 and 6-0 against San Marino in qualifying.
Now, I know we failed to beat Luxembourg but it does seem unfair that results against the bottom teams in the group are taken into account. San Marino are probably the worst side in Europe at this level, Luxembourg are much more competitive.
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Post by scoop76 on Sept 7, 2010 18:32:30 GMT
Still can't get over how stupid group 3 looks with us behind Italy despite the same points and better goal difference.... yes, we've missed out on two fronts one - head-to-head counting over goal difference in the group two - the results against 1st, 3rd, 4th AND 5th counting when there are 5th placed seeds as poor as San Marino involved. I also seem to remember we went close to winning that first Italy game 3-1... |
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Post by scoop76 on Sept 7, 2010 18:43:46 GMT
ballotelli comes across as someone who one or two early rough tackles (which im normally not a fan of) and he would spend the rest of the match sulking and winging about it I think that is pretty much what happened. That Macheda of Man Utd came on late if I remember and almost equalised - it shows the strength they have to leave someone like him on their bench. but as I recall we should have got a third in that game at Swansea - did we have a goal disallowed or have I imagined it? |
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Post by scoop76 on Sept 7, 2010 18:52:02 GMT
didnt iceland have a plus 20 goal differance? yes, and 14 of those goals were against San Marino! |
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Post by scoop76 on Sept 7, 2010 18:57:00 GMT
Please tell me we are seeded second next time round though? I think results over the last 2 campaigns count towards seeding we've beaten France, Romania, Bosnia (3 times), Malta (2 times), Italy, Hungary (2 times) and Luxembourg in that time - so we should definitely be seeded. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2010 19:14:32 GMT
Still can't get over how stupid group 3 looks with us behind Italy despite the same points and better goal difference.... yes, we've missed out on two fronts one - head-to-head counting over goal difference in the group two - the results against 1st, 3rd, 4th AND 5th counting when there are 5th placed seeds as poor as San Marino involved. I also seem to remember we went close to winning that first Italy game 3-1... Typical! Still I'm welsh, so I wouldn't have it any other way. |
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Post by scoop76 on Sept 7, 2010 19:57:02 GMT
yes, we've missed out on two fronts one - head-to-head counting over goal difference in the group two - the results against 1st, 3rd, 4th AND 5th counting when there are 5th placed seeds as poor as San Marino involved. I also seem to remember we went close to winning that first Italy game 3-1... storm it gets better... We were actually in the 4th best runner up position with one minute to go... Scotland and Austria were drawing 1-1 and tied in second place on 15 points 1. Belarus 17 2. Scotland 15 3. Austria 15 Then Scotland scored a last minute winner, leaving the group like this: 1. Scotland 17 2. Belarus 17 3. Austria 14 This meant we dropped down a position in the best runner-up table. [\quote] |
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Post by quetzal on Sept 7, 2010 21:34:47 GMT
Israel were ahead of us on Goal difference aswell
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2010 21:44:00 GMT
yes, we've missed out on two fronts one - head-to-head counting over goal difference in the group two - the results against 1st, 3rd, 4th AND 5th counting when there are 5th placed seeds as poor as San Marino involved. I also seem to remember we went close to winning that first Italy game 3-1... storm it gets better... We were actually in the 4th best runner up position with one minute to go... Scotland and Austria were drawing 1-1 and tied in second place on 15 points 1. Belarus 17 2. Scotland 15 3. Austria 15 Then Scotland scored a last minute winner, leaving the group like this: 1. Scotland 17 2. Belarus 17 3. Austria 14 This meant we dropped down a position in the best runner-up table. [\quote] Sometimes, I really hate football. |
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Post by scoop76 on Sept 7, 2010 22:04:59 GMT
We were also leapfrogged by Israel, who got 2 late goals in a surprisingly big 5-0 win over Montenegro.
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Post by scoop76 on Sept 7, 2010 22:08:05 GMT
Runners up:
1. Spain 19 +10
2. England 17 +8
3. Belarus 17 +5
4. Iceland 16 +18
5. Israel 16 +10
6. Wales 16 +9
7. Russia* 16 +8
8. Belgium 15 +3
9. Slovakia 14 +0
10. Turkey* 10 -2
Russia and Turkey were in 6 team groups, so results versus bottom place team don't count towards best runner-up calculations.
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Post by scoop76 on Sept 7, 2010 22:18:30 GMT
Israel were ahead of us on Goal difference aswell yes you're right - they went above us after scoring a fifth goal in the 86th minute versus Montenegro |
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