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Post by bale-droed on Sept 8, 2010 21:00:41 GMT
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Post by oojibooji on Sept 8, 2010 21:35:10 GMT
Phil Brown's Phil Brown is basically a modern day Bobby Gould
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2010 12:28:15 GMT
It seems that right now anyone who is Welsh and has a coaching badge of some sort is a front runner. How is Hartson up there with the favourites? No offence to John but at least Giggs has worked with one of the greatest managers of all time. How can Hartson just come from nowhere and express an interest and hes a favourite?! I couldnt even see that happening with Northern Ireland let alone Scotland or the Republic of Ire. Any last vestige of the professional image Sparky brought has gone now, we look like a total shambles.
So come on then, anyone on here got their coaching badges and fancy a crack at it? It helps if your wage requirements are around the £6 an hour/minimum wage mark. Im sure the FAW will be in touch in the next 10 years when they have made their decision.
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Post by balesleftpeg on Sept 9, 2010 12:30:25 GMT
Working with a great manager does not equate to being a great manager yourself. Or even being a great player - how many great players have made shit managers? Loads!
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Post by cilmeri on Sept 9, 2010 13:11:57 GMT
I'm with Bale'sleftpeg - how many managers in the premiership now have been great players? Fergie played at Rangers, but wasn't a success there, then Wenger, Hodgson were rubbish players. Ancellotti played for Milan to be fair. Just shows it's a bit of a lottery I suppose, but I'd rather give Hartson a shot not Giggs.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2010 13:14:40 GMT
I'm with Bale'sleftpeg - how many managers in the premiership now have been great players? Fergie played at Rangers, but wasn't a success there, then Wenger, Hodgson were rubbish players. Ancellotti played for Milan to be fair. Just shows it's a bit of a lottery I suppose, but I'd rather give Hartson a shot not Giggs. I agree!!! I wouldnt have giggs anywhere near the managers job! what Im trying to say is I can at least see the logic behind Giggs being linked with us, what has John achieved to make him a front runner? |
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Post by flynnfan on Sept 9, 2010 13:15:56 GMT
I don't mind Hartson being up there with the other candidates- At least he actually WANTS the job. Hear him on radio 5 the other day? The man bleeds Wales. Is that passion enough to make him a good international manager? Possibly not, but I'm not going to knock him for coming out and saying that he'd love to do the job...
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Post by cilmeri on Sept 9, 2010 13:17:04 GMT
Ok Storm, I think we're in agreement - I don't think Hartson is considered as a front runner though? I'd have him involved though - maybe see how he goes with the u19s or u21s? (obviously if Flynn gets the main job!)
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Post by youngdragon on Sept 9, 2010 13:21:28 GMT
well as it stands im sure hartson is the only man who has come out and said he wants the job isnt he?
he would be incredibley cheap(so for that reason alone is liked by the FAW)
i can see him being asked about it, hes always wanted to be a manager he was interviewd for the east stirling job in scotland a number of years ago and i belive he applied for the swansea managers job aswell
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Post by caradocevans on Sept 9, 2010 13:22:24 GMT
Giggs would be the ideal choice. Giggs returning to manage Wales would be like Bellamy coming home to play for Cardiff. It would be a massive boost for Welsh football. All the plastics would love it. It'd be a huge media story. The profile of Welsh football would be lifted. He has the respect of ALL the players, so no more splits and schisms and cliques. The only people who wouldn't like it are those soppy fans who got upset when Giggs didn't turn up for friendlies. Personally, that never bothered me then and it doesn't bother me now.
Can't see it happening, though.
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Post by balesleftpeg on Sept 9, 2010 13:26:34 GMT
It's the lack of any experience of management at all that bothers me most about Giggs. That and the fact he (on the face of it, with media stuff) has one of the least motivating personalities I've ever seen interviewed on TV!
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Post by caradocevans on Sept 9, 2010 13:29:41 GMT
It's the lack of any experience of management at all that bothers me most about Giggs. That and the fact he (on the face of it, with media stuff) has one of the least motivating personalities I've ever seen interviewed on TV! You could have said exactly the same thing about Mark Hughes when he took over as Welsh manager. No experience and too quiet. Welsh football on a national level is at a particularly low ebb and needs a boost. It won't get that from Chris Coleman or Kenny Jackett. |
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Post by saints19 on Sept 9, 2010 13:32:51 GMT
I don't mind Hartson being up there with the other candidates- At least he actually WANTS the job. Hear him on radio 5 the other day? The man bleeds Wales. Is that passion enough to make him a good international manager? Possibly not, but I'm not going to knock him for coming out and saying that he'd love to do the job... I am. No doubting the bloke's passion, but he's not remotely qualified for it, and coming out and saying he wants the job puts some pressure on the FAW. If Hartson wants a crack at it, he should try managing a club first, then if he has success there, put his name forward for the job. I sincerely hope Flynn comes out and says he wants it, and then we'll be obliged to at least interview him. |
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Post by balesleftpeg on Sept 9, 2010 13:33:07 GMT
True Caradoc.
Could be argued that we'd get a boost from Flynn in charge though. Sure, he's not "high profile" or anything but he's worked wonders with our youngsters at under 21 level, deserves a shot at getting the best out of them as senior level too?
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Post by caradocevans on Sept 9, 2010 13:35:00 GMT
Flynn is the moral choice. If Giggs is not available then Flynn deserves a shot.
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Post by flynnfan on Sept 9, 2010 13:35:02 GMT
The thing is saints, Flynn came out and said he wanted the job last time round. He didn't even get an interview.
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Post by youngdragon on Sept 9, 2010 13:36:06 GMT
It's the lack of any experience of management at all that bothers me most about Giggs. That and the fact he (on the face of it, with media stuff) has one of the least motivating personalities I've ever seen interviewed on TV! never seen a Andy Murray interview then i get your point though he could give a hairdryer team talk when needed (or whenever somebody does anything under toshack) plus all of a sudden ALL the media attention is then on giggsy and not the team. he is not a person who wants all that media attention and it would put far too much pressure and hype on him(not that he couldnt handle it) and i would love somebody to tell me were every single newspaper,website and tv station get that he would be a popular choice or the 'people's choice' from cuase quite simply nobody wants him as manager |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2010 13:37:30 GMT
It's the lack of any experience of management at all that bothers me most about Giggs. That and the fact he (on the face of it, with media stuff) has one of the least motivating personalities I've ever seen interviewed on TV! You could have said exactly the same thing about Mark Hughes when he took over as Welsh manager. No experience and too quiet. Welsh football on a national level is at a particularly low ebb and needs a boost. It won't get that from Chris Coleman or Kenny Jackett. Yeah but look at how Hughes was as a player, he was quiet in public but you could tell he was capable of the hairdryer treatment behind closed doors! Yes Welsh football is in need of a boost, but the biggest boost of all comes through winning games and we have to chose the man most likely to achieve that and not go for a short term shot in the arm to put a few thousand on the gate as the hangover could be very drawn out and painful. Trust, me the Giggs factor would well and truly burst if he failed to get results straight away and then we are left with another flop of a manager. |
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Post by caradocevans on Sept 9, 2010 13:39:49 GMT
So give us your top 3 choices in order of preference.
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Post by balesleftpeg on Sept 9, 2010 13:41:57 GMT
never seen a Andy Murray interview then i get your point though he could give a hairdryer team talk when needed (or whenever somebody does anything under toshack) plus all of a sudden ALL the media attention is then on giggsy and not the team. he is not a person who wants all that media attention and it would put far too much pressure and hype on him(not that he couldnt handle it) and i would love somebody to tell me were every single newspaper,website and tv station get that he would be a popular choice or the 'people's choice' from cuase quite simply nobody wants him as manager Yeah, Murray's up there with the best of 'em! (well, worst of them...) I really don't know where the "people's choice" rubbish comes from cos no one I've spoke to and nothing I've read on the internet (ok, this doesn't represent everyone in Wales, obviously) suggests that anyone thinks he's a good idea. Iwan Roberts initially said Giggs would be the best man for the job, then there were reports that Tosh would recommend Giggs as a replacement (I don't think he did though?). Apart from that there's be nothing really! Media rubbish. |
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Post by youngdragon on Sept 9, 2010 13:42:25 GMT
1.flynn
2troussire
3.hartson
i selected hartson as number three becuase he wants the job(only man to state he does want it) and he is a welsh speaker
which as i understand we havent had a welsh speaking manager for some time
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2010 13:46:21 GMT
Pulis
Flynn
Troussier/Jackett/M O'Neill (that last one highly unlikely admittedly)
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Post by flynnfan on Sept 9, 2010 13:48:00 GMT
I went on the media Wales live blog this afternoon and tried to get some explantion from them about the Giggs- 'people's choice' rubbish they've been spouting. Not much response though- other than their blogger saying he'd love to see Flynn get the job. I told him to tell Bananaman that. No response whatsoever to that!
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Post by caradocevans on Sept 9, 2010 13:48:09 GMT
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Post by balesleftpeg on Sept 9, 2010 13:49:31 GMT
1. Flynn
2. Coleman
3. Exotic foreigner who's probably an extremely doubtful outside (Troussier, Hoddle, etc).
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Post by youngdragon on Sept 9, 2010 13:51:39 GMT
good news on the giggs front according to the dragon soccer website news bit
he has ruled himself out
which effectivley leaves flynn as the main candidate
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Post by caradocevans on Sept 9, 2010 13:52:42 GMT
For me:
Giggs
Flynn
Bellamy (player manager). I can imagine Craig on the touchline in a big overcoat barking out orders and shouting obscenities at the ref. He would great. Not going to happen though.
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Post by balesleftpeg on Sept 9, 2010 13:53:01 GMT
good news on the giggs front according to the dragon soccer website news bit he has ruled himself out which effectivley leaves flynn as the main candidate Good news definitely. Flynn, Coleman and the inevitable non-Welsh managers that we'll be linked with seem to be the contenders. |
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Post by caradocevans on Sept 9, 2010 13:55:31 GMT
Predictable rather than good news.
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Post by balesleftpeg on Sept 9, 2010 13:57:47 GMT
A bit of a tangent slightly... but can anyone else see Gary Speed being our next manager (not this time around, next time...)
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