Emyr Huws

[squatter1]

Jan 16, 2014 21:51:36 GMT Tim P said:

Jan 16, 2014 18:10:57 GMT squatter1 said:

Great that he's got his debut, but City has got to be the worst club in England for a player to break through in. Unless he's absolute dynamite and can displace a £30m player, the sooner he moves the better.

City actually have a weakness at centre midfield. Apart from Toure and Ferdaninho, who is there?

After Toure and Fernandino there's the small matter of:

Milner: £28m
Javi Garcia: £16m

As Nathan1710 says, the most likely outcome this season is that Huws hardly plays at all this season, especially as the games get more important.

[llannerch]

Jan 17, 2014 9:29:40 GMT @baresi said:

I notice llannerch is staying away from this thread so far - but then according to him "Huws would be a cheap cap" (sic).

Huws has been training with, and part of the Man City first team squad all season.....with Yaya Toure and co.

The thing is, if we can give identified quality young players like Huws, Lawrence and Wilson additional exposure this will help them break through at established clubs in the top flight....it works both ways for the player concerned....and importantly gives them the confidence they are good enough.

I'm pretty sure in his 15 minute cameo he did enough to suggest he should be in double figures for caps amd Coleman is a dick for not picking him ahead of Allen or Ledley

[Tim P]

Jan 16, 2014 23:52:55 GMT @storm said:

Inb4 trendy says he should sign for a European team ;D

I actually think he should stay at city for the time being. He's a young lad who is on the fringes of the first team a tacking with the options that they have- that's pretty impressive and he must be rated there.

He can afford to give it a couple of seasons and see how things go. Toure ain't getting any younger so perhaps he will be brought in on a job share to cover for toure in some of the more routine fixtures. That seems plausible to me.

Just as long as he doesn't turn out like cleverly who only started making regular first team appearances in his mid 20s!

I agree that City is a good place for him to be. Simply put, if he's not good enough in a year, they'll sell him.

Of course, I'd definitely advocate him moving abroad in three or four years. 100%.

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Jan 17, 2014 9:29:40 GMT @baresi said:

I notice llannerch is staying away from this thread so far - but then according to him "Huws would be a cheap cap" (sic).

Huws has been training with, and part of the Man City first team squad all season.....with Yaya Toure and co.

The thing is, if we can give identified quality young players like Huws, Lawrence and Wilson additional exposure this will help them break through at established clubs in the top flight....it works both ways for the player concerned....and importantly gives them the confidence they are good enough.

I think there is a world of difference between capping Huws and capping Wilson and Lawrence.

Huws is on the verge of a squad where they already have a plethora of options and the money to buy what they lack- yet they are still promoting him to the first team. That suggests he is a talent an is proof alone that he should be looked at by Coleman to be introduced.

By contrast Lawrence is nowhere near breaking through to one of the worst Man United sides in living memory. That's not to say he isn't a talent, but he is obviously not breaking the door down to be fast tracked to the first team. That's fair enough- he has time and from what we have seen of him on loan, he has something about him. But 3 goals for Carlisle do not convince me that we should be giving him a cheap cap just to put him in the shop window. He will undoubtedly be a Wales player at some point, but I agree with Llannerch that caps should be earned for quality performances at the highest level possible.

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Jan 17, 2014 17:34:11 GMT llannerch said:

Jan 17, 2014 9:29:40 GMT @baresi said:

I notice llannerch is staying away from this thread so far - but then according to him "Huws would be a cheap cap" (sic).

Huws has been training with, and part of the Man City first team squad all season.....with Yaya Toure and co.

The thing is, if we can give identified quality young players like Huws, Lawrence and Wilson additional exposure this will help them break through at established clubs in the top flight....it works both ways for the player concerned....and importantly gives them the confidence they are good enough.

I'm pretty sure in his 15 minute cameo he did enough to suggest he should be in double figures for caps amd Coleman is a dick for not picking him ahead of Allen or Ledley

You have not read my comments in this thread llannerch.

A slightly disappointing response. I expected a little more from someone of your intellect.

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Jan 17, 2014 18:52:23 GMT @storm said:

Jan 17, 2014 9:29:40 GMT @baresi said:

I notice llannerch is staying away from this thread so far - but then according to him "Huws would be a cheap cap" (sic).

Huws has been training with, and part of the Man City first team squad all season.....with Yaya Toure and co.

The thing is, if we can give identified quality young players like Huws, Lawrence and Wilson additional exposure this will help them break through at established clubs in the top flight....it works both ways for the player concerned....and importantly gives them the confidence they are good enough.

I think there is a world of difference between capping Huws and capping Wilson and Lawrence.

Huws is on the verge of a squad where they already have a plethora of options and the money to buy what they lack- yet they are still promoting him to the first team. That suggests he is a talent an is proof alone that he should be looked at by Coleman to be introduced.

By contrast Lawrence is nowhere near breaking through to one of the worst Man United sides in living memory. That's not to say he isn't a talent, but he is obviously not breaking the door down to be fast tracked to the first team. That's fair enough- he has time and from what we have seen of him on loan, he has something about him. But 3 goals for Carlisle do not convince me that we should be giving him a cheap cap just to put him in the shop window. He will undoubtedly be a Wales player at some point, but I agree with Llannerch that caps should be earned for quality performances at the highest level possible.

Well llannerch bracketed huws with wilson and lawrence in his 'new year wishlist'.......

[squatter1]

If Huws were somewhere like Everton, Southampton or Swansea he'd be getting games now, making him ready for the national squad for the big qualification campaign next season.

At City he will probably only play a handful of meaningless passages of already won games, leaving him under developed for the big one next season.

I don't see how anyone would prefer the second scenario.

[llannerch]

Jan 17, 2014 19:11:24 GMT @baresi said:

Jan 17, 2014 17:34:11 GMT llannerch said:

I'm pretty sure in his 15 minute cameo he did enough to suggest he should be in double figures for caps amd Coleman is a dick for not picking him ahead of Allen or Ledley

You have not read my comments in this thread llannerch.

A slightly disappointing response. I expected a little more from someone of your intellect.

I've fractured my shoulder so am short on patience and inclination to verbally spa...even with you Baresi ;-)

I'll be back though

[gogledd]

I find it hard to believe that Huws having impressed non other than Pellegrini himself to earn him a debut in one of the best teams in world football has yet to earn himself a senior Welsh cap ,given how cheaply these are given out these days. Surely there is something wrong here. The boy obviously must have some serious talent and the question must be, when is Coleman going to see it. Huws will be generating some serious interest over the border, has an English born mother and has been schooled and resident in Manchester since he went up there as a 14 year old. Would be an oversight of the highest order to allow such a talented lad to slip through the Welsh net, though to be honest nothing would surprise me any more.

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Jan 18, 2014 12:29:54 GMT llannerch said:

I've fractured my shoulder

Speedy recovery Llannerch!

[Deleted]

Jan 18, 2014 10:09:05 GMT squatter1 said:

If Huws were somewhere like Everton, Southampton or Swansea he'd be getting games now, making him ready for the national squad for the big qualification campaign next season.

With him emerging, reviews he has been getting in City's reserves, stunned to be honest Laudrup has not asked Pellegrini to send him out with Swans until season is completed not having much depth in midfield Squatter.

[squatter1]

Jan 18, 2014 18:55:37 GMT alternativewales said:

Jan 18, 2014 10:09:05 GMT squatter1 said:

If Huws were somewhere like Everton, Southampton or Swansea he'd be getting games now, making him ready for the national squad for the big qualification campaign next season.

With him emerging, reviews he has been getting in City's reserves, stunned to be honest Laudrup has not asked Pellegrini to send him out with Swans until season is completed not having much depth in midfield Squatter.

But with City in four competitions still, they aren't going to send anyone out on loan until the end of the season now. Huws is stuck on the bench (when he's lucky) for the next six months most likely. A city injury crisis is our best hope of him getting game time now...

[steelrod]

Jan 17, 2014 17:34:11 GMT llannerch said:

Jan 17, 2014 9:29:40 GMT @baresi said:

I notice llannerch is staying away from this thread so far - but then according to him "Huws would be a cheap cap" (sic).

Huws has been training with, and part of the Man City first team squad all season.....with Yaya Toure and co.

The thing is, if we can give identified quality young players like Huws, Lawrence and Wilson additional exposure this will help them break through at established clubs in the top flight....it works both ways for the player concerned....and importantly gives them the confidence they are good enough.

I'm pretty sure in his 15 minute cameo he did enough to suggest he should be in double figures for caps amd Coleman is a dick for not picking him ahead of Allen or Ledley

[steelrod]

I've been monitoring this thread with interest. I am a Manchester City supporter living in the Wrexham area. I often go and see U21 games and have seen a lot of Emyr Huws in the past 24 months especially. Firstly it was great to see him get 15 minutes first team game time last Wednesday evening. I though he aquitted himself well, despite the fact that the game was then over and he was operating strictly to Pellegrini's instructions. My own view is that Emyr Huws is one of the main talents to come through the City Academy in recent years. In the same league as the legendary Colin Bell (who I think they signed from Bury as a young lad? Not sure, anyway....) and Paul Lake. I saw him play in the Lancashire Senior Cup Final against Man Utd last September. City lost 2-1, but Huws was man of the match, and completely dominated the United player directly up against him, who turned out to be Adnan Januzaj who made his Utd debut a few weeks later and is now a first team regular. Emyr Huws if not at City would now be be a regular starter for any side in the Premiership bar perhaps Chelsea. He will get more and more game time as this season goes on. Expect to see him again at West Ham later this week. The reason he has chosen to pursue his development with City I understand is that the facilities are first class (particularly medical, he has had a lot of injuries), and he wants to continue to learn from Patrick Viera (his mentor) and by training with some of the world's top players. My last point is that there was and extremely condescending and faintly ridiculous article by Geraint Williams, (Wales U 21 manager) earlier this week (Google BBC Sport Emyr Huws), stating that Huws needed to go back to to the training ground, work hard and improve if he wanted to be considered for a full cap. Yes, sure Geraint. Who is better than him at the moment exactly? Bale, no argument, Ramsey yes, after that I'm not sure. How many other Welsh players would get in the current City side? Or even on the bench? He will be a key player in future Wales campaigns so don't piss him off. Its time to play him so lets show some foresight. To leave him rotting on the bench and not give him some time in a meaningless friendly against Finland recently was ridiculous.

[llannerch]

Jan 19, 2014 11:17:33 GMT steelrod said:

and he wants to continue to learn from Patrick Viera (his mentor)

I'd forgotten Viera is on the staff at Man City. Huws couldn't want for a better role model. The kid will go that little bit further just on the basis of this fact alone

[flynnfan]

Not seen him play so can't really comment BUT if Huws is as good as you say steelrod, and Joniesta turns out as Trendy expects, and Joe Allen really is as good as I think he is, then together with Ramsey and Bale...what a midfield that is.

[steelrod]

Jan 18, 2014 18:28:11 GMT gogledd said:

I find it hard to believe that Huws having impressed non other than Pellegrini himself to earn him a debut in one of the best teams in world football has yet to earn himself a senior Welsh cap ,given how cheaply these are given out these days. Surely there is something wrong here. The boy obviously must have some serious talent and the question must be, when is Coleman going to see it. Huws will be generating some serious interest over the border, has an English born mother and has been schooled and resident in Manchester since he went up there as a 14 year old. Would be an oversight of the highest order to allow such a talented lad to slip through the Welsh net, though to be honest nothing would surprise me any more.

[steelrod]

I hadn't realised that Emyr Huws is qualified to play for England through having an English mother, English grandparents and also by having been resident in Manchester for over six years? A future midfield four comprising Walcott, Wilshire, Huws and Barkley is conceivable then? Hasn't anybody in the FAW checked this one out? Smacks of ineptitude to me besides potentially being a gaffe redolent of "Dad's Army?" To emphasise a previous observation, apart from Bale and Ramsey who else from the current Welsh squad would get a City shirt?

[llannerch]

Further proof of how ridiculous and, possibly damaging, the 5 year compulsory schooling rule is.

And all because we remembered with rose-tinted glasses how Michael Owen would have qualified for us (but overlooked how Ryan Giggs might have been lost) and because Scotland fancied Andy Driver for a few weeks back in 2010...not that they got round to capping him

[ontheroadagain]

Huws, not even on the City bench tonight.

[llannerch]

Jan 21, 2014 19:35:43 GMT ontheroadagain said:

Huws, not even on the City bench tonight.

Surprised and disappointed

[ontheroadagain]

Jan 21, 2014 19:42:52 GMT llannerch said:

Jan 21, 2014 19:35:43 GMT ontheroadagain said:

Huws, not even on the City bench tonight.

Surprised and disappointed

Same here.

[toshfan]

Jan 21, 2014 19:59:50 GMT ontheroadagain said:

Jan 21, 2014 19:42:52 GMT llannerch said:

Surprised and disappointed

Same here.

You guys beat me to it. I am gutted as I was really excited about watching him play on tv. Anyone know of a Man City Fans twitter account where we may ask for more information? Did he pick up an injury in training?

[Deleted]

Jan 21, 2014 19:42:52 GMT llannerch said:

Jan 21, 2014 19:35:43 GMT ontheroadagain said:

Huws, not even on the City bench tonight.

Surprised and disappointed

CALL HIM UP!

[Deleted]

But seriously, if he's not injured then questions need to be asked here. I was all for him staying at Man City thinking that he would at least one off the bench in dead rubber games like this. The tie is beyond doubt so him not playing is a slap in the face really. How many more opportunities will he get this season?

Still not totally changed my mind, but it's not looking as good for him as it was the other day.

[flynnfan]

Disappointed because I'm yet to see even a minute of the boy in action and wanted to actually see him play.

[Tim P]

Jan 21, 2014 20:24:55 GMT @storm said:

But seriously, if he's not injured then questions need to be asked here. I was all for him staying at Man City thinking that he would at least one off the bench in dead rubber games like this. The tie is beyond doubt so him not playing is a slap in the face really. How many more opportunities will he get this season?

Still not totally changed my mind, but it's not looking as good for him as it was the other day.

Don't be such a drama queen. If he has even the slightest strain then he won't be risked - at his age it's all about keeping him injury free, especially given his injury history. His development will have been meticulously planned out, nothing to worry about here.

[gogledd]

With Jovetic and Rodwell back on the bench they are not short of midfield players at the moment ,and they all want a run out

[nathan1710]

I dont know why everyone is so "surprised", I wrote on this post a few comments back that it wasnt the kick start to his career. Hes not going to gain much experience at Citeh and the sooner he realises that and moves to a better club that has a soul and a decent policy on youth then hes got no chance. His talent is going to be wasted at the Etihad, shame really, chat to you lot about him in 5 years when someone makes a post asking where he is now, first answer will be "I think hes at oldham now", great!

[Tim P]

Jan 21, 2014 21:12:43 GMT nathan1710 said:

I dont know why everyone is so "surprised", I wrote on this post a few comments back that it wasnt the kick start to his career. Hes not going to gain much experience at Citeh and the sooner he realises that and moves to a better club that has a soul and a decent policy on youth then hes got no chance. His talent is going to be wasted at the Etihad, shame really, chat to you lot about him in 5 years when someone makes a post asking where he is now, first answer will be "I think hes at oldham now", great!

I don't understand what you mean when you say Man City doesn't have a 'soul'?

Also, City have an absolutely incredible policy regarding the youth team - they're intent on recreating the formula employed at the Camp Nou; the infrastructure and pathways since the takeover are being improved all the time. Check it out on line, there's a lot of fascinating stuff on it.