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Post by insertname on Oct 3, 2019 22:34:34 GMT
Vokes is still tearing the league up for bottom placed Stoke I see. What's that suppose to mean? Should playing for a terrible team mean he should score more goals than ever before? Merely pointing out what the alternative to the likes of Bradshaw and Moore is currently up to at the moment. He is quite blatantly yesterday’s man and it’s desperate that his name is still being brought up at all given where his career is at the moment. |
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Post by welshiron on Oct 5, 2019 7:09:22 GMT
Vokes is still a better option than Moore or Bradshaw.
Wouldn't start for me but if we need a goal I would get him on and get 2 wingers to get crosses in.
Simple game football
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Post by CrackityJones on Oct 5, 2019 15:03:24 GMT
GÔÔÔÔÔL BRADSHAW
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Post by rico on Oct 5, 2019 15:05:20 GMT
Should be close to a look in - if squad was announced a week later I think he'd be in for Moore. |
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Post by jbt95 on Oct 5, 2019 20:35:08 GMT
I've always been impressed with Bradshaw when he has played for Wales. I think he should be making the squads, does seem a good no.9 who always scores on a regular basis.
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Post by alarch on Oct 5, 2019 22:27:36 GMT
Won the penalty and red card for the opener (albeit he went down easily). Then scored a beaut for the second, decisive goal.
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Post by cadno on Oct 6, 2019 8:04:34 GMT
I've just seen his goal, brilliant finish.
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Post by CrackityJones on Oct 19, 2019 15:19:42 GMT
GÔÔÔÔÔL BRADSHAW
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Oct 19, 2019 19:02:07 GMT
Surely he deserves a call up to the next squad, a different option to Sam and Kieffer.
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Post by robin1864 on Oct 20, 2019 9:19:36 GMT
Surely he deserves a call up to the next squad, a different option to Sam and Kieffer. Prepare to be roundly mocked for suggesting a Welsh striker who can score goals be called up 😂 |
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Post by insertname on Oct 20, 2019 13:28:36 GMT
Surely he deserves a call up to the next squad, a different option to Sam and Kieffer. Prepare to be roundly mocked for suggesting a Welsh striker who can score goals be called up 😂 There are a few coronaries about to happen... |
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Post by robin1864 on Oct 20, 2019 14:17:03 GMT
Prepare to be roundly mocked for suggesting a Welsh striker who can score goals be called up 😂 There are a few coronaries about to happen... I'm going to have a coronary at the amount of people who think we're in a position to turn someone of Tom's level down. He's scored more than Kieffer this season, but nobody has a fetish for him because people feel he isn't an exciting novelty like Moore was, but "isn't an improvement/mobile enough/ad nauseam" will usually be spouted. An improvement up front is someone who can score goals and has the pace to keep defenders on edge, not someone who's key attribute is being a human giraffe. |
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Post by insertname on Oct 20, 2019 15:33:04 GMT
There are a few coronaries about to happen... I'm going to have a coronary at the amount of people who think we're in a position to turn someone of Tom's level down. He's scored more than Kieffer this season, but nobody has a fetish for him because people feel he isn't an exciting novelty like Moore was, but "isn't an improvement/mobile enough/ad nauseam" will usually be spouted. An improvement up front is someone who can score goals and has the pace to keep defenders on edge, not someone who's key attribute is being a human giraffe. I’ll refer once more to Brentford’s moneyball approach. I never used to like picking non scoring strikers but if they improve the team then why not. It seems plain to me that even without goals Moore helps to give us a better attacking platform than Vokes. I would however like to see Bradshaw given a chance as from what we saw his movement was initially promising if nothing else. Moore has been a great example that testing out unfashionable players can occasionally yield a diamond in the rough. My suspicion has always been that Bradshaw could have a similar effect. |
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Post by welshiron on Oct 21, 2019 7:46:15 GMT
I would like to see a bit more before he is called up.
If he is picked it would be at the expense of Matondo or Vokes and I would rather they were in the squad
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Post by robin1864 on Oct 21, 2019 16:23:54 GMT
I would like to see a bit more before he is called up. If he is picked it would be at the expense of Matondo or Vokes and I would rather they were in the squad Tom's scored more goals than Kieffer this season, and over the course of his career. If that isn't getting him a call-up, what will? |
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Post by johnoster on Oct 22, 2019 10:25:54 GMT
Needs to grow at least 10 inches.
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Post by cadno on Oct 22, 2019 10:35:40 GMT
If it's 0-0 with 20 minutes to go, bringing on Bradshaw alongside Moore wouldn't be a bad option.
Bradshaw scores goals, a team like Northern Ireland would get the best out of him.
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Post by iot on Oct 22, 2019 11:12:33 GMT
There are numerous examples of teams using limited players when there are alternatives who have more natural talent, in order to bring out the best from other players. The brazilian teams always used to have a few - the likes of world cup winners djemba djemba, kleberson etc. France have Giroud who didn't score a single goal in the world cup, but I believe he started every game and came out with a winner's medal.
So it makes perfect sense for us to start Moore, not for the goal threat / individual quality he brings, but for bringing out the best from bale, james etc. through his hold up play. That's why Bradshaw isn't really a good comparison. From what I understand, bradshaw's a bit of a poacher, he's not the type of player who would bring out the most from our star players, which is why I suspect neither giggs nor coleman saw much point in using him.
Starting with one forward option to bring out the most in our other forwards is one thing, but if we needed to rely on two bottom half championship strikers to chase a goal as cadno suggest above, that would be a real concern!
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 22, 2019 11:18:56 GMT
There are numerous examples of teams using limited players when there are alternatives who have more natural talent, in order to bring out the best from other players. The brazilian teams always used to have a few - the likes of world cup winners djemba djemba, kleberson etc. France have Giroud who didn't score a single goal in the world cup, but I believe he started every game and came out with a winner's medal. So it makes perfect sense for us to start Moore, not for the goal threat / individual quality he brings, but for bringing out the best from bale, james etc. through his hold up play. That's why Bradshaw isn't really a good comparison. From what I understand, bradshaw's a bit of a poacher, he's not the type of player who would bring out the most from our star players, which is why I suspect neither giggs nor coleman saw much point in using him. Starting with one forward option to bring out the most in our other forwards is one thing, but if we needed to rely on two bottom half championship strikers to chase a goal as cadno suggest above, that would be a real concern! 100% agree. This also doesn't mean Bradshaw can't/won't get into the squad if he continues to score. But he is very different from Moore so there is no valid comparison. I do think that Bradshaw has that poachers quality that we currently do not have in the squad, and for that reason he certainly merits a discussion about his inclusion. Especially as an option against teams that defend deep against us. |
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Post by johnoster on Oct 22, 2019 13:18:21 GMT
When did Djemba Djemba win a world cup?
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Post by cadno on Oct 22, 2019 13:36:16 GMT
There are numerous examples of teams using limited players when there are alternatives who have more natural talent, in order to bring out the best from other players. The brazilian teams always used to have a few - the likes of world cup winners djemba djemba, kleberson etc. France have Giroud who didn't score a single goal in the world cup, but I believe he started every game and came out with a winner's medal. So it makes perfect sense for us to start Moore, not for the goal threat / individual quality he brings, but for bringing out the best from bale, james etc. through his hold up play. That's why Bradshaw isn't really a good comparison. From what I understand, bradshaw's a bit of a poacher, he's not the type of player who would bring out the most from our star players, which is why I suspect neither giggs nor coleman saw much point in using him. Starting with one forward option to bring out the most in our other forwards is one thing, but if we needed to rely on two bottom half championship strikers to chase a goal as cadno suggest above, that would be a real concern! You make a really good point about players like Giroud being important to the team performance even if they don't contribute many goals. But your final point on "relying on two bottom half championship strikers to chase a goal would be a real concern" misses the point and doesnt really dig as deep as your first observation. Stating that they're both bottom half championship strikers is irrelevant to the point. We shouldn't turn our nose up on a decent goalscorer in the Championship, and having an option to change things around, a 'Plan B or C' if you like, isn't a bad thing. |
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Post by iot on Oct 22, 2019 13:44:14 GMT
When did Djemba Djemba win a world cup? Oops - that was a mistake. He didn't win the wc and nor is he brazilian ha. Think i got confused because he moved to man u after his performances in the '02 world cup, along with kleberson. |
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Post by welwyn on Oct 22, 2019 14:43:02 GMT
Frankly, Bradshaw is our best finisher on current form. Obviously, if we go into our last two games playing the same we we did in the Croatia & Slovakia games (as we should), you can't consider starting Bradshaw as he is a completely different type of player.
However, in a squad, to ignore him as a possible option to change things off the bench would be stupid. He looked like a Championship goalscorer before he got injured and has come back and started scoring like he hasn't missed a second.
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Post by eppingblue1 on Oct 22, 2019 14:52:18 GMT
Hoping to see him have a very quiet game tonight.
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Post by insertname on Oct 22, 2019 16:36:55 GMT
If it's 0-0 with 20 minutes to go, bringing on Bradshaw alongside Moore wouldn't be a bad option. Bradshaw scores goals, a team like Northern Ireland would get the best out of him. Astute observation |
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Post by cadno on Oct 22, 2019 16:38:11 GMT
If it's 0-0 with 20 minutes to go, bringing on Bradshaw alongside Moore wouldn't be a bad option. Bradshaw scores goals, a team like Northern Ireland would get the best out of him. Astute observation Very good |
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Post by welwyn on Oct 22, 2019 19:32:10 GMT
Another goal tonight
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Post by manulike on Oct 22, 2019 19:34:48 GMT
OH, LORDY LORD!
We are not going to hear the end of this ;-))
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Post by robin1864 on Oct 22, 2019 19:38:12 GMT
He can score goals but does he cause the opposition problems? I THINK NOT. Move along everyone, nothing to see here.
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Oct 22, 2019 19:40:36 GMT
Hope Ryan is watching.
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