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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2010 14:58:16 GMT
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Post by welshwizard79 on Sept 21, 2010 15:42:09 GMT
Well his international management career is not the best. Two years at Hungary and they were pretty poor.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2010 16:06:53 GMT
Well his international management career is not the best. Two years at Hungary and they were pretty poor. Hes still an improvement on the clown they had. And a new manager is likely to get a better performance out of his players, especially as a winner like Matthaus will see there is still something to play for in this campaign (there isnt, but you can bet he wont believe that). After the Montenegro game the head of their FA conceded that qualification was impossible, so a Bulgaria in disarray was ideal for Flynnys first game. As it is they could well be fired up with a new belief. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2010 16:33:42 GMT
Just hope he doesn't persuade Berbatov out of retirement.....but even if he does - who cares....we'll kick their ars*s. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2010 16:57:43 GMT
Just hope he doesn't persuade Berbatov out of retirement.....but even if he does - who cares....we'll kick their ars*s. Dont say that! The last thing we need is our defence to come up against a new and improved Berbatov! Its ok though, I cant see him coming back now they are as good as out. We just(!) need Bulgaria to roll over and die for 3 easy points and a confidence booster in Flynnys first game and that looked set to happen. Not so sure now they have announced a decent "name" (if not exactly a brilliant coach) as the new manager. All of a sudden things are a little less certain. |
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Post by georgetm1 on Sept 21, 2010 18:40:20 GMT
I dont think he would have learnt any Bulgarian by next month. So communicating with his team may be a problem, hopefully. Plus how many teams has he managed over his short career, its a lot so it shows he has'nt been very successful. Go Cymru!
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Post by rushlegend on Sept 22, 2010 8:23:28 GMT
He was a fantastic player for West Germany, but as a coach i don't rate him, anyway even if he was a good coach surely he hasn't got a lot of time to bring his ideas etc through before they come to Cardiff.
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Post by evans1282 on Sept 22, 2010 11:52:18 GMT
Dont think the language will be an issue ,he's married to a Serbian, coached Partisan Belgrade, and Serbian and Bulgarian are really very very similar
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Post by georgetm1 on Sept 22, 2010 13:10:17 GMT
That does'nt make any difference at all, when I went travelling I tried speaking Polish to people in Slovakia and Czech Republic (which the languages are all Slavonic and very similar) they did'nt have a clue what I was saying. Even though alot of the words are the same. It would have been easier if I grunted and pointed at things.
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Post by saints19 on Sept 22, 2010 15:23:11 GMT
It's hardly going to be easy to beat Bulgaria even without Berbatov. I doubt Matthaus's arrival will make too much difference to their style of play but we should still be wary anyway, because they lost to Montenegro 1-0, same as us. They could easily beat us in Cardiff.
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Post by youngdragon on Sept 22, 2010 18:06:26 GMT
people on hear slightly worry me with expectation
alot of people expected us to hammer montenagro becuase of thier location pretty much
and we were outplayed and comfortabley beat
again people are saying we should beat bulgaria and they will pose no threat, and like saints correctly points out they could easily beat us in cardiff even without berbatov.
martin petrov plays against sam ricketts each and every day he will know how to get past him and stilian petrov can be a rock in midfield
not a easy game at all
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2010 19:04:26 GMT
people on hear slightly worry me with expectation alot of people expected us to hammer montenagro becuase of thier location pretty much and we were outplayed and comfortabley beat again people are saying we should beat bulgaria and they will pose no threat, and like saints correctly points out they could easily beat us in cardiff even without berbatov. martin petrov plays against sam ricketts each and every day he will know how to get past him and stilian petrov can be a rock in midfield not a easy game at all Young dragon, if you are referring to me, I have few expectations as a seasoned welsh football fan. But we should have a 'who cares' attitude - lets face it, no one else in the football world cares about us - we should go out against Bulgaria and hit them with a f*cking whirlwind......it's about time someone copped it from us. |
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Post by muaythai on Sept 22, 2010 19:06:34 GMT
people on hear slightly worry me with expectation alot of people expected us to hammer montenagro becuase of thier location pretty much and we were outplayed and comfortabley beat again people are saying we should beat bulgaria and they will pose no threat, and like saints correctly points out they could easily beat us in cardiff even without berbatov. martin petrov plays against sam ricketts each and every day he will know how to get past him and stilian petrov can be a rock in midfield not a easy game at all Young dragon, if you are referring to me, I have few expectations as a seasoned welsh football fan. But we should have a 'who cares' attitude - lets face it, no one else in the football world cares about us - we should go out against Bulgaria and hit them with a f*cking whirlwind......it's about time someone copped it from us. love your passion baresi mate ! and we can and should smash bulgaria |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2010 12:36:45 GMT
baresi rite as long as the boys come out and give it there all!Bulgaria wont be easy but if we come out all guns blazing and attack rather than try to hold teams weve got more than a chance of a good result!!
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Post by youngdragon on Sept 23, 2010 12:44:22 GMT
baresi
i wasn't refering to you but everybody who seems to think it will be a easy games
there are no easy games in football
as we showed when we played san marino a few years ago
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Post by flynnfan on Sept 23, 2010 12:49:55 GMT
I don't think his appointment makes any difference. Great player, not really proved himself a great manager yet though. It would be a bit like us appointing Roy Keane.
And the idea that Fergie would allow Berbatov to play international football again following his recent Utd form is laughable.
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Post by saints19 on Sept 23, 2010 15:03:38 GMT
there are no easy games in football as we showed when we played san marino a few years ago Well, the 3-0 win at home was pretty easy. As I recall, we were cruising at 2-0 up in the away game when Andy Selva scored a ridiculously good free-kick for them and made it squeaky bum time.... Remember that San Marino almost, almost drew with Ireland in that group too. Hard to believe that Wales side went to Germany and got a draw shortly after that. |
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Post by flynnfan on Sept 23, 2010 17:03:12 GMT
Apparently, Mattheus is going to try and persuade Berbatov to come back. I doubt he will, as I've previously stated, but if he does maybe then Flynn should look to call Giggs up? Seems only fair that if they get their Man Utd superstar back then so should we...
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Post by youngdragon on Sept 23, 2010 17:28:59 GMT
berba wouldnt come back
didnt he retire becuase of a probelm with his family and a gang while on international duty or somethng?
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Post by scoop76 on Sept 23, 2010 20:06:36 GMT
The other thing that came out of the Bulgaria news conference was the certainty with which Mattheus talked about the Euro 2012 campaign, he believes that the group is really open and that Bulgaria will finish second.
And yet the reality is that, while we lost to Montenegro away, Bulgaria lost to Montenegro at home. Of the two nations we are the one that should be talking about finishing second.
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Post by scoop76 on Sept 23, 2010 20:09:49 GMT
I don't think his appointment makes any difference. Great player, not really proved himself a great manager yet though. It would be a bit like us appointing Roy Keane. And the idea that Fergie would allow Berbatov to play international football again following his recent Utd form is laughable. And yet Edwin van der Saar came out of international retirement when he was in top form at Old Trafford. I wouldn't totally rule out a return from Berbatov. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2010 21:49:09 GMT
The other thing that came out of the Bulgaria news conference was the certainty with which Mattheus talked about the Euro 2012 campaign, he believes that the group is really open and that Bulgaria will finish second. And yet the reality is that, while we lost to Montenegro away, Bulgaria lost to Montenegro at home. Of the two nations we are the one that should be talking about finishing second. And thats exactly the point I was making- regardless of his qualities (or lack of) as a manager, the guy was a winner as a player and obviously does not give up easily. the last thing we need is him rejuvenating a frankly beaten Bulgarian squad. I thought Montenegro were poor but after seeing Bulgaria against England they were diabolical. I think its perfectly fair to expect us to get a result against them, its our easiest game of the campaign and we have done well against them in recent games. If we dont beat Bulgaria at home then when are we likely to get a win in this group? |
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Post by saints19 on Sept 23, 2010 22:26:52 GMT
The other thing that came out of the Bulgaria news conference was the certainty with which Mattheus talked about the Euro 2012 campaign, he believes that the group is really open and that Bulgaria will finish second. And yet the reality is that, while we lost to Montenegro away, Bulgaria lost to Montenegro at home. Of the two nations we are the one that should be talking about finishing second. Is playing at home that much of an advantage? You could argue that with Wales and Montenegro it is, but Bulgaria's home and Montenegro's home can't be too different in terms of the atmosphere, pitch, surroundings and so forth. |
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Post by llannerch on Sept 24, 2010 12:48:36 GMT
the one that should be talking about finishing second. You could argue that with Wales and Montenegro it is, but Bulgaria's home and Montenegro's home can't be too different in terms of the atmosphere, pitch, surroundings and so forth.[/quote] Because they're both Eastern European, a bit Slavic, and generally untrustworthy no doubt? You don't think there might be some diversity b/w two countries separated by Kosovo, Macedonia and Serbia? |
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Post by flynnfan on Sept 24, 2010 17:46:18 GMT
In a way, if Berbabtov doesn't come back (which he probably won't) they could be in even more disarray by the time they get to Cardiff. Mattheus has straight away made it public he wants a Berba comeback- Imagine the crushing disappointment for him, their players, fans etc if he refuses.
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Post by saints19 on Sept 25, 2010 19:45:18 GMT
You could argue that with Wales and Montenegro it is, but Bulgaria's home and Montenegro's home can't be too different in terms of the atmosphere, pitch, surroundings and so forth. Because they're both Eastern European, a bit Slavic, and generally untrustworthy no doubt? You don't think there might be some diversity b/w two countries separated by Kosovo, Macedonia and Serbia? Eh? I appear to be being characterised as a stereotyper and possibly racist. That definitely wasn't my intention. All I meant to say was that because of the fact they share a geographical region there are likely to be cultural and climatic similarities between the two countries which will render home advantage less of an advantage due to it being a relatively familiar environment for the away team as well as the home one. Or, compare us in Eastern Europe to us in, say, Belfast. |
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Post by flynnfan on Sept 27, 2010 17:45:23 GMT
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