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Post by johnoster on Nov 27, 2023 12:47:20 GMT
Something does concern me a little, regarding the "togetherness of squad and manager".
Page is also quick to come out with how the squad is a really close group, and the players back the manager publicly when given the opportunity.
But it does seem that they hiding behind each other when things go wrong. Page won't criticize the players, even when they've clearly underperformed. The players then back the manager when he's got things wrong tactically.
Almost as if they have a comfort zone, and neither party wanting to rock the boat.
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Post by bobbyghoul on Nov 27, 2023 18:09:27 GMT
Stop the press, we've reached peak Apostle.
We're now moaning that things are done in-house and dirty laundry isn't aired in public.
Wow.
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 27, 2023 19:12:49 GMT
Having failed to qualify from a great opportunity how confident are people feeling about Page getting us over the line with 2 HOME games? My fear has always been a proper plan B ( even a plan C) when things are going wrong. This has always been Pages Achilles heel Minimum has to be the Final and I don't think that's unreasonable. Poland will be tough, we have what it takes, but so do Poland. We should have plenty of options with the players open to us. Moore as a target man, Johnson/James to run in behind, Wilson and James have played a false 9 before. We've got Wilson, Brooks and Ramsey as number 10's, Johnson and James as wingers, we should be able to shift quite easily. I just think we're hesitant to move away from the starting gameplan until the 75th odd minute and then it's either desperate to score or desperate to keep a clean sheet. The only time I can recall radically changing our strategy was when we bought Moore on Vs USA at half time and it got us back in the game. |
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Post by hooky on Nov 27, 2023 20:21:45 GMT
Something does concern me a little, regarding the "togetherness of squad and manager". Page is also quick to come out with how the squad is a really close group, and the players back the manager publicly when given the opportunity. But it does seem that they hiding behind each other when things go wrong. Page won't criticize the players, even when they've clearly underperformed. The players then back the manager when he's got things wrong tactically. Almost as if they have a comfort zone, and neither party wanting to rock the boat. Don't get me going again! Seriously - you need some tension in an elite sporting team. If you make bad mistakes then you need to be accountable to ensure you do not make that same mistake again and properly review the issues. If pro players know they made some bad mistakes and a manager backs the collective without much criticism then its natural you feel defensive of them too. It may seem like a loyal and very human thing to do but what happens to accountability? Also a manger is no doubt seduced by that approach if they realise they are at fault for a lot of things. I think Page may confess to imposter syndrome in a couple of decades as it is clear he has been completely clueless in many situations Of course you don't hang players in public but the impression is that there is little criticism of anything. Well performance and results have been shockingly inconsistent and poor. The one great result against Croatia - well is it not ironic that it was arguably provoked by our FAW head who created tension and anger by seemingly calling Page's position into question if he kept losing games (what a terrible crime!). That almost proves the point? If it weren't for Page and his impact on our play off games then I would be hopeful. Unfortunately I think he'll cost us as if we go behind or ahead then it seems like Page has limited coaching nous to change things - which leaves us vulnerable if the other team merely has a competent coach in charge, |
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Post by surge on Nov 27, 2023 20:56:57 GMT
Having failed to qualify from a great opportunity how confident are people feeling about Page getting us over the line with 2 HOME games? My fear has always been a proper plan B ( even a plan C) when things are going wrong. This has always been Pages Achilles heel Minimum has to be the Final and I don't think that's unreasonable. Poland will be tough, we have what it takes, but so do Poland. We should have plenty of options with the players open to us. Moore as a target man, Johnson/James to run in behind, Wilson and James have played a false 9 before. We've got Wilson, Brooks and Ramsey as number 10's, Johnson and James as wingers, we should be able to shift quite easily. I just think we're hesitant to move away from the starting gameplan until the 75th odd minute and then it's either desperate to score or desperate to keep a clean sheet. The only time I can recall radically changing our strategy was when we bought Moore on Vs USA at half time and it got us back in the game. Against Turkey we went from 3-4-2-1 to 4-2-3-1 and from intricate play through the middle to working for crosses and free-kicks. I mean, I don't think it worked, but it was a Plan B. |
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Post by bobbyghoul on Nov 27, 2023 21:35:34 GMT
Something does concern me a little, regarding the "togetherness of squad and manager". Page is also quick to come out with how the squad is a really close group, and the players back the manager publicly when given the opportunity. But it does seem that they hiding behind each other when things go wrong. Page won't criticize the players, even when they've clearly underperformed. The players then back the manager when he's got things wrong tactically. Almost as if they have a comfort zone, and neither party wanting to rock the boat. Don't get me going again! Seriously - you need some tension in an elite sporting team. If you make bad mistakes then you need to be accountable to ensure you do not make that same mistake again and properly review the issues. If pro players knows they made some bad mistakes and a manager backs the collective without much criticism then its natural you feel defensive of them too. It may seem like a loyal and very human thing to do but what happens to accountability? Also a manger is no doubt seduced by that approach if they realise they are at fault for a lot of things. I think Page may confess to imposter syndrome in a couple of decades as it is clear he has been completely clueless in matter situations Of course you don't hang players in public but the impression is that there is little criticism of anything. Well performance and results have been shockingly inconsistent and poor. The one great result - well ironically our FAW head created tension and anger by seemingly calling Page's position into question if he kept losing games. That almost proves the point? If it weren't for Page and his impact on our play off games then I would be hopeful. Unfortunately I think he'll cost us as if we go behind or ahead then it seems like Page has limited coaching nous to change things - which leaves us vulnerable if the other team merely has a competent coach in charge, This is just silly now. |
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Post by aberbeeg on Nov 28, 2023 10:09:16 GMT
Don't get me going again! Seriously - you need some tension in an elite sporting team. If you make bad mistakes then you need to be accountable to ensure you do not make that same mistake again and properly review the issues. If pro players knows they made some bad mistakes and a manager backs the collective without much criticism then its natural you feel defensive of them too. It may seem like a loyal and very human thing to do but what happens to accountability? Also a manger is no doubt seduced by that approach if they realise they are at fault for a lot of things. I think Page may confess to imposter syndrome in a couple of decades as it is clear he has been completely clueless in matter situations Of course you don't hang players in public but the impression is that there is little criticism of anything. Well performance and results have been shockingly inconsistent and poor. The one great result - well ironically our FAW head created tension and anger by seemingly calling Page's position into question if he kept losing games. That almost proves the point? If it weren't for Page and his impact on our play off games then I would be hopeful. Unfortunately I think he'll cost us as if we go behind or ahead then it seems like Page has limited coaching nous to change things - which leaves us vulnerable if the other team merely has a competent coach in charge, This is just silly now. Actually I think Hooky is spot on |
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Post by fireboy0610 on Nov 28, 2023 11:42:33 GMT
Actually I think Hooky is spot on I agree. |
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 28, 2023 12:11:35 GMT
Minimum has to be the Final and I don't think that's unreasonable. Poland will be tough, we have what it takes, but so do Poland. We should have plenty of options with the players open to us. Moore as a target man, Johnson/James to run in behind, Wilson and James have played a false 9 before. We've got Wilson, Brooks and Ramsey as number 10's, Johnson and James as wingers, we should be able to shift quite easily. I just think we're hesitant to move away from the starting gameplan until the 75th odd minute and then it's either desperate to score or desperate to keep a clean sheet. The only time I can recall radically changing our strategy was when we bought Moore on Vs USA at half time and it got us back in the game. Against Turkey we went from 3-4-2-1 to 4-2-3-1 and from intricate play through the middle to working for crosses and free-kicks. I mean, I don't think it worked, but it was a Plan B. Was that late on or early in the second half? The only times I can recall changing system is as a last throw of the dice late on in matches. Like against Armenia when anyone who could attack was thrown in there. |
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Post by johnoster on Nov 28, 2023 12:53:34 GMT
There's a difference between having an alternative plan at the ready, and making it up as you go along.
It's always going to be governed by the players you have available, but a good coach will have subs in his mind to deal with different situations, and also pick his initial 11 with this in mind.
I don't think Page has this in his skillset.
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Post by aberbeeg on Nov 28, 2023 14:54:10 GMT
There's a difference between having an alternative plan at the ready, and making it up as you go along. It's always going to be governed by the players you have available, but a good coach will have subs in his mind to deal with different situations, and also pick his initial 11 with this in mind. I don't think Page has this in his skillset. One of the best posts I’ve seen regarding Page. I don’t think even Pages biggest fans could argue with this. |
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Post by bobbyghoul on Nov 28, 2023 15:24:55 GMT
Actually I think Hooky is spot on A witch hunt normally has consensus. Do people really think that there's no accountability within the group? That Page and the coaching staff don't call out errors? That senior players don't feedback to the coaching team? |
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Post by athenempadu on Nov 28, 2023 19:11:24 GMT
100% correct. Jobs for the boys, nepotism are recipes for disaster, always look for the right person for the job. If that’s someone from the inside then great, if not then it’s a bad choice. We only have to look at history to see that. If you dig around on google, you will find that all of the coaches in the current setup have links to Page from previous jobs. These sort of things happen in football - assistants follow managers around etc, however I'm concerned that there is a serious jobs for the boys attitude going on atm. I still don't believe Gunter was a wise choice. He had only just retired. What experience has he got in coaching an international side? Alan Knill is Page's friend and has a very modest managerial record. Jack Lester was also an ex-team mate and friend of Page from playing days. The young highly rated Man Utd coach Eric Ramsay didn't stick around for very long. |
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Post by hooky on Nov 28, 2023 19:18:35 GMT
The worst thing is it is acceptable if someone has a big limitation perhaps (albeit you would hope they had some tactical intelligence) but then do you not recruit a wise head as part of your coaching team who sees what we all seem to see at an early stage in games to encourage Page to change something? I think Page must see what we see but does not know what to change or is to fearful to change something / does not have the confidence to do so? If Page does not see what we see 'when' we see it then he is not managing the team and is just surviving on passion as a fan.
I really do not know what is going on. I no doubt massively underestimate him as he must be learning something as part of this journey! I really hope he gets us to the Euros and shuts the doubters like me up!
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 28, 2023 21:07:58 GMT
Actually I think Hooky is spot on A witch hunt normally has consensus. Do people really think that there's no accountability within the group? That Page and the coaching staff don't call out errors? That senior players don't feedback to the coaching team? It's quite clear from the interviews that stern words were issued to the players, particularly the defence. I think Rodon in particular was told his performances weren't up to scratch, and funnily enough he went and found first team football shortly after. Things have improved since then. The Page haters will ignore that though as they have an idea of him in their heads and look for information to confirm that, rather than the other way around |
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Post by hooky on Nov 28, 2023 21:16:20 GMT
A witch hunt normally has consensus. Do people really think that there's no accountability within the group? That Page and the coaching staff don't call out errors? That senior players don't feedback to the coaching team? It's quite clear from the interviews that stern words were issued to the players, particularly the defence. I think Rodon in particular was told his performances weren't up to scratch, and funnily enough he went and found first team football shortly after. Things have improved since then. The Page haters will ignore that though as they have an idea of him in their heads and look for information to confirm that, rather than the other way around That is fair enough - thanks for putting us straight - I must have missed this. Impressions can be wrong - I just base my impressions on what I have seen and Page's comments/reactions - so its good to hear he comes down hard on players who are not playing to an acceptable standard So what is Page's failing in your view and what do you see that gives you confidence that he can learn fast and ensure we do not sleep walk out of the play offs without having done ourselves justice? People like me want to have faith so do share the specifics - the moments / what you have seen / learnt that give you confidence Page will deliver and react in a timely manner for us? |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 28, 2023 21:39:43 GMT
It's quite clear from the interviews that stern words were issued to the players, particularly the defence. I think Rodon in particular was told his performances weren't up to scratch, and funnily enough he went and found first team football shortly after. Things have improved since then. The Page haters will ignore that though as they have an idea of him in their heads and look for information to confirm that, rather than the other way around That is fair enough - thanks for putting us straight - I must have missed this. Impressions can be wrong - I just base my impressions on what I have seen and Page's comments/reactions - so its good to hear he comes down hard on players who are not playing to an acceptable standard So what is Page's failing in your view and what do you see that gives you confidence that he can learn fast and ensure we do not sleep walk out of the play offs without having done ourselves justice? People like me want to have faith so do share the specifics - the moments / what you have seen / learnt that give you confidence Page will deliver and react in a timely manner for us? I agree with what others have said that his inability to adapt and react to situations in the game is a big weakness. We could all see the other day the subs needed to happen sooner but he couldn't - that's an issue. Another issue I have with him is the tendency to pick a team that does well and then stick with it regardless of the strengths/weaknesses of the opposition, when in reality there needs to be a different approach to different games. So I'm not an avid Page fanboy by any means, I just recognise the reality that we won't sack him before the playoffs, and I do think there are/have been positives to some recent performances For starters he recognised the need to fix the midfield problem and has been brave enough to use JJ and that bravery has fixed what was a huge issue for us pre-Latvia. I like the way we play at home with the 5 at the back, I think that makes us a tough proposition for any side, we've shown that against Croatia & Turkey. I like that the players all like him, and I like that he has a good record in the playoffs - that type of history gives us a psychological edge So there's pro's and con's and I think we need to recognise both to judge him fairly, and to recognise what we need differently when we do move on to a new manager. Whenever Page does leave I will always look back at his tenure fondly; qualifying out of the groups in Euro 2020, promotion to League A, qualifying us for the World Cup - those who constantly call for, and will be glad to see, his sacking come across as spoilt in my view. Not saying that's you, just saying that's how I feel when I hear unbalanced criticism |
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Post by hooky on Nov 28, 2023 22:28:57 GMT
That is fair enough - thanks for putting us straight - I must have missed this. Impressions can be wrong - I just base my impressions on what I have seen and Page's comments/reactions - so its good to hear he comes down hard on players who are not playing to an acceptable standard So what is Page's failing in your view and what do you see that gives you confidence that he can learn fast and ensure we do not sleep walk out of the play offs without having done ourselves justice? People like me want to have faith so do share the specifics - the moments / what you have seen / learnt that give you confidence Page will deliver and react in a timely manner for us? I agree with what others have said that his inability to adapt and react to situations in the game is a big weakness. We could all see the other day the subs needed to happen sooner but he couldn't - that's an issue. Another issue I have with him is the tendency to pick a team that does well and then stick with it regardless of the strengths/weaknesses of the opposition, when in reality there needs to be a different approach to different games. So I'm not an avid Page fanboy by any means, I just recognise the reality that we won't sack him before the playoffs, and I do think there are/have been positives to some recent performances For starters he recognised the need to fix the midfield problem and has been brave enough to use JJ and that bravery has fixed what was a huge issue for us pre-Latvia. I like the way we play at home with the 5 at the back, I think that makes us a tough proposition for any side, we've shown that against Croatia & Turkey. I like that the players all like him, and I like that he has a good record in the playoffs - that type of history gives us a psychological edge So there's pro's and con's and I think we need to recognise both to judge him fairly, and to recognise what we need differently when we do move on to a new manager. Whenever Page does leave I will always look back at his tenure fondly; qualifying out of the groups in Euro 2020, promotion to League A, qualifying us for the World Cup - those who constantly call for, and will be glad to see, his sacking come across as spoilt in my view. Not saying that's you, just saying that's how I feel when I hear unbalanced criticism Fair enough but why oh why - if he can't recognise the need to adapt within a game, change something or tweak a line up for a certain type of opposition - did he not bring in someone with that skill set who could advise him? That is the most frustrating thing. All these Sheffield Utd linked people and Gunter - surely someone in amongst that lot recognise what is bloody obvious to us mere fans! I find that strange! |
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Post by aberbeeg on Nov 29, 2023 8:26:20 GMT
The balanced view is the FAW pay peanuts which massively limits who we could attract.( If Page was from Manchester I’ll guarantee his fan club would be a lot smaller.)
Page comes across as a nice guy. He will probably get a league one/two job when he eventually leaves,but he’s extremely limited. The guy has done well in certain matches but has also been brutally exposed by much more savvy managers in other matches.
Fingers crossed he can prove the likes of myself wrong and get us to Germany.
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Post by bobbyghoul on Nov 29, 2023 9:07:46 GMT
That is fair enough - thanks for putting us straight - I must have missed this. Impressions can be wrong - I just base my impressions on what I have seen and Page's comments/reactions - so its good to hear he comes down hard on players who are not playing to an acceptable standard So what is Page's failing in your view and what do you see that gives you confidence that he can learn fast and ensure we do not sleep walk out of the play offs without having done ourselves justice? People like me want to have faith so do share the specifics - the moments / what you have seen / learnt that give you confidence Page will deliver and react in a timely manner for us? I agree with what others have said that his inability to adapt and react to situations in the game is a big weakness. We could all see the other day the subs needed to happen sooner but he couldn't - that's an issue. Another issue I have with him is the tendency to pick a team that does well and then stick with it regardless of the strengths/weaknesses of the opposition, when in reality there needs to be a different approach to different games. So I'm not an avid Page fanboy by any means, I just recognise the reality that we won't sack him before the playoffs, and I do think there are/have been positives to some recent performances For starters he recognised the need to fix the midfield problem and has been brave enough to use JJ and that bravery has fixed what was a huge issue for us pre-Latvia. I like the way we play at home with the 5 at the back, I think that makes us a tough proposition for any side, we've shown that against Croatia & Turkey. I like that the players all like him, and I like that he has a good record in the playoffs - that type of history gives us a psychological edge So there's pro's and con's and I think we need to recognise both to judge him fairly, and to recognise what we need differently when we do move on to a new manager. Whenever Page does leave I will always look back at his tenure fondly; qualifying out of the groups in Euro 2020, promotion to League A, qualifying us for the World Cup - those who constantly call for, and will be glad to see, his sacking come across as spoilt in my view. Not saying that's you, just saying that's how I feel when I hear unbalanced criticism What the hell are you doing?! This isn't the thread for posting a balanced opinion. |
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Post by njdragon on Nov 29, 2023 11:00:48 GMT
If you dig around on google, you will find that all of the coaches in the current setup have links to Page from previous jobs. These sort of things happen in football - assistants follow managers around etc, however I'm concerned that there is a serious jobs for the boys attitude going on atm. I still don't believe Gunter was a wise choice. He had only just retired. What experience has he got in coaching an international side? Alan Knill is Page's friend and has a very modest managerial record. Jack Lester was also an ex-team mate and friend of Page from playing days. The young highly rated Man Utd coach Eric Ramsay didn't stick around for very long. and why was that? |
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Post by njdragon on Nov 29, 2023 11:08:27 GMT
The balanced view is the FAW pay peanuts which massively limits who we could attract.( If Page was from Manchester I’ll guarantee his fan club would be a lot smaller.) Page comes across as a nice guy. He will probably get a league one/two job when he eventually leaves,but he’s extremely limited. The guy has done well in certain matches but has also been brutally exposed by much more savvy managers in other matches. Fingers crossed he can prove the likes of myself wrong and get us to Germany. The thing is we tried a plan B - Osian roberts discussed this. Reverting to the back four but our players struggled with it. Osian actually said ok it didnt work but he'd be more worried if we weren't trying these options out. To try these we have to do it against so called weaker opposition but it takes time. Our plan b now is adapt to life without bale, ramsey and allen - we need a plan C. We dont have the personal to do much else! we've tried throwing in morrell to shore up the midfield that didnt work, throwing on our fast paced wingers that didnt work, bringing on moore that occasionally works, shifting to 3 centre backs when in possession .. there's lots of stuff going on but the team is already adapting to life without our top top players - one of the best in the world.. We have to have some patience its great testing out a new system but we need time and games to do that whilst we also need to win every game. And yes we do have a young manager who is learning his trade at the same time - taking all this into account i dont think its as is being made out. |
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Post by zserty on Nov 30, 2023 12:30:08 GMT
The balanced view is the FAW pay peanuts which massively limits who we could attract.( If Page was from Manchester I’ll guarantee his fan club would be a lot smaller.) Page comes across as a nice guy. He will probably get a league one/two job when he eventually leaves,but he’s extremely limited. The guy has done well in certain matches but has also been brutally exposed by much more savvy managers in other matches. Fingers crossed he can prove the likes of myself wrong and get us to Germany. The thing is we tried a plan B - Osian roberts discussed this. Reverting to the back four but our players struggled with it. Osian actually said ok it didnt work but he'd be more worried if we weren't trying these options out. To try these we have to do it against so called weaker opposition but it takes time. Our plan b now is adapt to life without bale, ramsey and allen - we need a plan C. We dont have the personal to do much else! we've tried throwing in morrell to shore up the midfield that didnt work, throwing on our fast paced wingers that didnt work, bringing on moore that occasionally works, shifting to 3 centre backs when in possession .. there's lots of stuff going on but the team is already adapting to life without our top top players - one of the best in the world.. We have to have some patience its great testing out a new system but we need time and games to do that whilst we also need to win every game. And yes we do have a young manager who is learning his trade at the same time - taking all this into account i dont think its as is being made out. But this tactical naivety is currently costing us against teams we should realistically be competing with and/or beating. Watching the boys come on vs Turkey and them all looking around signalling to the bench asking where they needed to go was a farce, there really is no plan. |
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Post by saturn9 on Nov 30, 2023 12:58:04 GMT
Doesn't help with his baffling omissions from the squads. Chris Maxwell starting for Hdf'd and MOM last night🤔🤔
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 30, 2023 13:19:32 GMT
Doesn't help with his baffling omissions from the squads. Chris Maxwell starting for Hdf'd and MOM last night🤔🤔 It's clearly something personal re: Maxwell, he'd clearly be ahead of King/Davies and arguably starting for us if he's regular in the Championship |
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Post by surge on Nov 30, 2023 13:32:59 GMT
Chris Maxwell is a 33 year old who has played two games in the Championship this year.
We're now suggesting he's a Championship regular and therefore Page has an agenda?
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Post by iot on Nov 30, 2023 13:39:46 GMT
Doesn't help with his baffling omissions from the squads. Chris Maxwell starting for Hdf'd and MOM last night🤔🤔 Ah so Chris Maxwell is the issue now is he? Everyone were baffled by the omission of Oli Cooper from the WC squad around this time last year. I noticed lots of Swans fans slagging Cooper off after the game last night and questioning why he was playing - I thought he played ok, but maybe in hindsight there was an overreaction to his WC squad omission and he's perhaps not that good? Before Cooper, the complaint was about the omission of Bradshaw. Now after he's looked every bit the average player his club career would suggest, people are slagging off Page for selecting him ahead of the likes of Mullin. How long do you think it would take for people to slag off Page for selecting Mullin if he started to get opportunities and didn't prove to be the difference-maker against the likes of Armenia? There's been this long-running theme of people complaining about Page for being too loyal and that he leaves out player XYZ, only for that player to show he's not really up to much. At the same time, contrary to popular belief and some very lazy thinking, Page has brought in quite a few new faces and he can be very unpredictable and take risks with his team selections. |
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Post by iot on Nov 30, 2023 13:56:50 GMT
The worst thing is it is acceptable if someone has a big limitation perhaps (albeit you would hope they had some tactical intelligence) but then do you not recruit a wise head as part of your coaching team who sees what we all seem to see at an early stage in games to encourage Page to change something? I think Page must see what we see but does not know what to change or is to fearful to change something / does not have the confidence to do so? If Page does not see what we see 'when' we see it then he is not managing the team and is just surviving on passion as a fan. I really do not know what is going on. I no doubt massively underestimate him as he must be learning something as part of this journey! I really hope he gets us to the Euros and shuts the doubters like me up! It would be very naïve to think that Page and his entire backroom staff don't see these things. I highly doubt that he and his team were standing there watching the game against Turkey around the 60th minute mark and the thought of making some substitutions simply hadn't occurred to him. I also doubt that he was unaware of fatigue levels among the players on the pitch - in fact, I'd even go as far as to say he and his team had a better idea than us. I think it's much more likely that Page and his team were aware of all of these things (and much more than we're able to observe at the time) and simply decided that making substitutions at that point was not the best thing to do. We made substitutions early in the previous game and their impact was very disappointing (including James'). Their impact was again disappointing in the Turkey game, so the evidence isn't that compelling that we lost out because of a failure to make earlier changes. Then there are all sorts of other considerations - Moore may have been carrying a knock or Page might have thought that with a playoff game all but guaranteed irrespective of our result, that it would be better to give Johnson the confidence of playing 90mins and continue with that experiment with the playoff game in mind. "The worst thing is it is acceptable if someone has a big limitation perhaps (albeit you would hope they had some tactical intelligence) but then do you not recruit a wise head as part of your coaching team who sees what we all seem to see at an early stage in games to encourage Page to change something?" I really think you give yourself and the rest of us far too much credit. I highly doubt that our football knowledge and tactical astuteness is greater than Page's and that we see all of these things before Page does (and no one on his team bothers to mention anything either). I think it's much more likely that Page does see these things like the rest of us, sees a lot more and is privy to a lot of info that we don't see, and so makes different decisions on that basis. |
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Post by eppingblue1 on Nov 30, 2023 14:48:43 GMT
Doesn't help with his baffling omissions from the squads. Chris Maxwell starting for Hdf'd and MOM last night🤔🤔 Rob Page clearly needs a clairvoyant in his team to keep up with the expectations of some of our fans. |
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Post by janglingjack on Nov 30, 2023 15:47:51 GMT
I can't believe page keeps omitting ian rush ,he's Liverpool's top scorer ever for gods sake.
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