vader
steve evans
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Post by vader on Aug 5, 2019 8:53:31 GMT
Don't want to get off on the wrong foot here but can't help but think a lot of fans are totally blinded by their dislike for Giggs. Any setback we suffer is laid at his door while anything positive he gets mild praise through gritted teeth. Quite possibly that some of us are blinded by their dislike of Giggs, but the backwards steps that Welsh international football have taken can be laid at his door - total lack of engagement with the fans, poor tactical and strategic decisions. Overall a lack of commitment to the role. How is everyone so sure about how great Osian Roberts is/was? And why is his commitment not being called into question seeing as he's the one leaving? We are sure about how great Osian was because we can remember what Welsh football was like before he arrived. Apart from Toshack putting in place a system to develop the international team, the FAW was a shambles. Now we have a coaching scheme which is world reknown, excellent facilities and achieved something few other small nations have achieved; a semi-final of a major tournament. His commitment isn't questioned because he has worked his nuts off for the last nine years, only to be upstarted by a guy whose main benefit is to increase promotional value for the FAW. Comments about not hearing from Giggs except for around 2 weeks before a game? Bizarre to say the least. How much coverage or exposure does any international manager get when there are no fixtures? Next to zero, same as RG. Not bizarre at all. If you follow Osian on social media, you will see him working tirelessly outside of the international break. You will see that Giggs does anything and everything to avoid being involved in Welsh football. I'd love to be educated on how you are all so sure about everything that goes on behind the scenes. The S4C documentary "Osian" is a good start for your education. Do you not think the fans have some blame with the lack of engagement? As soon as Giggs was rumoured to be favourite 'Together Stronger' went out the window. It is a two way street and I agree goodwill needs to be rebuilt going forward, but he needs to be given a chance to do that. Again, I'm not sure how there is a total lack of commitment to the role? Are you just projecting his Wales playing days onto his current role? Giggs is not on social media, so not sure how you can come to the conclusion he does everything and anything to avoid being involved in Welsh football through that. |
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Aug 5, 2019 9:57:46 GMT
As one of the Giggs give him a chance side of the fence and with Osian working with him I thought overall not a bad management team ... BUT now I have doubts.lots of unanswered questions and lack of clarity.
1. Why did Osian take job if not happy
2. Why has giggs or FAW come out with more info
3. Why now leave half way through a campaign and why Morocco ?
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Post by gwernybwch on Aug 5, 2019 19:33:11 GMT
Do you not think the fans have some blame with the lack of engagement? As soon as Giggs was rumoured to be favourite 'Together Stronger' went out the window. It is a two way street and I agree goodwill needs to be rebuilt going forward, but he needs to be given a chance to do that. Again, I'm not sure how there is a total lack of commitment to the role? Are you just projecting his Wales playing days onto his current role? Giggs is not on social media, so not sure how you can come to the conclusion he does everything and anything to avoid being involved in Welsh football through that. In a word, No. When Coleman was Manager he engaged with the fans by going around the football clubhouses of Wales doing Q&A sessions with supporters That built up a lot of goodwill for Cookie during the bad times. When has Giggs reached out to fans? Apart from the days when he is required to do so by the FAW, not at all. Imagine the goodwill he would have now if spent a day a fortnight visiting Welsh schools, coaching school kids? Instead he chooses to do similar activities for the good folk of Salford. Giggs - quite literally - can't go for a piss without it being on social media. So every time he is at a game at Old Trafford, a meet and greet at a hotel in Manchester, at a charity event in Salford, opens a shopping centre in Hong Kong, coaches kids in Vietnam, commentates on England on ITV, goes to a Comic Book Convention a few days before crucial qualifiers somebody somewhere will post online about it. It is the same with the 'behind the scenes' work that he does. He had 'secret' rendezvous with the players last year. Within a few days it was on twitter. There is so much that he could do for Wales and somehow manages not to. When it comes to Wales, he never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity. Anyway, back on topic; Osian Roberts........ |
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Post by 1gwaunview on Aug 6, 2019 10:54:56 GMT
It'd be heartbreaking to see the progress made in the last 5-6 years being thrown away by poor management choices/decisions. Together Stronger/The Welsh way is no more as far as I can see. Lose to Azerbaijan and the bad old days are here again, the skies are black with pouring rain.  Happy days a thing of the past, at least we were close to 2018 WC qualifying at the end, we just seem to be going backwards atm.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Aug 6, 2019 11:37:58 GMT
If we don't beat Azerbaijan at home, which is a very real possibility, things could turn very toxic. I'd be interested to know what Giggs's approval rating currently stands at.
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Post by CrackityJones on Aug 7, 2019 15:38:41 GMT
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Post by quetzal on Aug 7, 2019 23:37:49 GMT
Fair enough. Sounds pretty clear he was ready to move on. Just Morocco??? I think it’s bazaar |
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Post by BA Baracus on Aug 8, 2019 9:09:36 GMT
Strange he didn't go for a management position if he's looking to be a manager himself.
That said, Osian's probably too sensible to take any old 'here today, gone tomorrow' management post.
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Post by georgetm1 on Aug 8, 2019 9:24:13 GMT
Did Giggs do his coaching badges with the FAW or the English FA?
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Post by zenith on Aug 8, 2019 9:34:41 GMT
Did Giggs do his coaching badges with the FAW or the English FA? English FA |
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Post by georgetm1 on Aug 8, 2019 9:56:03 GMT
This tells me everything about Giggs and how desperate the FAW were to get an inexperienced big name. No wonder Giggs is so ignorant about Welsh football. I remember him during the Euro's and everything he said about the Welsh set up was totally wrong.
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Post by jbt95 on Aug 8, 2019 18:29:03 GMT
I remember him during the Euro's and everything he said about the Welsh set up was totally wrong. Really? |
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Post by georgetm1 on Aug 8, 2019 23:54:39 GMT
I remember him during the Euro's and everything he said about the Welsh set up was totally wrong. Really? He didn't have a clue. I'm sure they are on Youtube. |
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Post by 1gwaunview on Aug 9, 2019 11:06:29 GMT
Good interview with Osian in Welsh on Youtube - 'Athletico Hansh'.
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Post by cadno on Aug 16, 2019 11:00:27 GMT
Did anyone else hear Osian Roberts' interview with Nic Parry on radio cymru this week? It's worth a listen. He said we need to win at least 4 out of 5 of our remaining games to qualify. Here it is: www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0007gt4 |
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Post by georgetm1 on Aug 16, 2019 12:30:50 GMT
If we don't beat Azerbaijan, Giggs has to go before any more damage is done to our national team. It still really pisses me off how the FAW bent over backwards for someone with zero charisma, f'all experience all while ignoring much better candidates because they were more bothered about selling merchandise than qualifying.
I still remember all that bullshit from Walesonline claiming that he would waltz the job just because he had a successful playing career and the fact that he spends more time in Vietnam and England poncing about rather than doing his job and trying to build bridges with the fans shows me what a self centred and thoughtless twat he is.
Maybe if he was in Wales, this shit with Osian Roberts would never materialised as to me it looked like Osian was doing all the work in Giggs' absence. But it has, and I blame Giggs and the FAW for taking their eyes off the ball.
Why did he get the job if he can't fully commit to it? I thought we were passed all that bollocks.
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Post by CrackityJones on Aug 16, 2019 13:34:52 GMT
I'm no Giggs fan but Osian has said his relationship with Giggs was good and not the reason he left.
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Post by georgetm1 on Aug 16, 2019 13:51:08 GMT
I'm no Giggs fan but Osian has said his relationship with Giggs was good and not the reason he left. Would it be professional of him and leave the door open for a future managers job if he said otherwise though? If he started saying what a shit decision the FAW made in appointing Giggs instead of him, it would totally burn his bridges. It could be just him being diplomatic for future employment opportunities. |
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Post by welshiron on Aug 16, 2019 14:19:46 GMT
If we don't beat Azerbaijan, Giggs has to go before any more damage is done to our national team. It still really pisses me off how the FAW bent over backwards for someone with zero charisma, f'all experience all while ignoring much better candidates because they were more bothered about selling merchandise than qualifying. I still remember all that bullshit from Walesonline claiming that he would waltz the job just because he had a successful playing career and the fact that he spends more time in Vietnam and England poncing about rather than doing his job and trying to build bridges with the fans shows me what a self centred and thoughtless twat he is. Maybe if he was in Wales, this shit with Osian Roberts would never materialised as to me it looked like Osian was doing all the work in Giggs' absence. But it has, and I blame Giggs and the FAW for taking their eyes off the ball. Why did he get the job if he can't fully commit to it? I thought we were passed all that bollocks. 100% agree with this |
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Post by CrackityJones on Aug 20, 2019 17:37:07 GMT
Osian’s replacement? Mr Robert Page
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Post by iot on Aug 20, 2019 17:55:31 GMT
Osian’s replacement? Mr Robert Page Because he's done such a fine job with the u21s! |
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Post by texan on Aug 20, 2019 17:59:39 GMT
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Post by iot on Aug 20, 2019 20:15:49 GMT
That no.9 looks like a player! Looks like a proper CF too
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Post by manulike on Aug 20, 2019 21:27:56 GMT
That no.9 looks like a player! Looks like a proper CF too Yes. Think that's Rabbi Matondo's younger brother! |
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Post by dai on Aug 21, 2019 12:18:39 GMT
Robert bloody Page. The nightmare keeps getting worse, seriously can't believe this disaster of an appointment. Roberts must be laughing his head off, and maybe crying for the future of Welsh football at the same time.
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Post by pendragon on Aug 21, 2019 19:40:03 GMT
Of all the people he might have been able to appoint.
So disappointing!
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Post by CrackityJones on Mar 19, 2020 19:54:39 GMT
Still got it:
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Post by CrackityJones on Jul 4, 2021 20:29:04 GMT
There are rumours Osian is joining Palace as Viera’s number 2
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Post by dlwilliams on Jul 4, 2021 21:39:37 GMT
There are rumours Osian is joining Palace as Viera’s number 2 Would that be a good move on Roberts' part? You can see Vieira being sacked if it doesn't work, like de Boer. Then, Roberts will have left his job in Morocco for nothing. |
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Post by insertname on Jul 4, 2021 22:15:52 GMT
There are rumours Osian is joining Palace as Viera’s number 2 Would that be a good move on Roberts' part? You can see Vieira being sacked if it doesn't work, like de Boer. Then, Roberts will have left his job in Morocco for nothing. The risk/reward in this case is arguably tilted more towards the reward aspect than with most other jobs because it’s basically a given that if Vieira is successful then he will be managing Arsenal in the not too distant future and possibly then challenging for league titles vs running the coaching side of the Moroccan FA. Personally I think he would be daft to pass that opportunity up based on the doors it could potentially open if it works. |
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