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Post by zakbaby on Nov 16, 2021 0:54:07 GMT
Let's just hope Uafa/fifa corruption dosnt play a part and the draw dosnt put all the big sides in totally separate brackets to ensure they have the best chance of qualifying. Like a previous poster said, previous play off draws have been very dodgy looking
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Post by quetzal on Nov 16, 2021 0:57:53 GMT
That 5-1 win was massive for us then? Is that why Turkey need a 4 goal margin victory
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Post by insertname on Nov 16, 2021 1:20:05 GMT
Ultimately, if you want to achieve anything as a nation you will inevitably come across a defining moment. In 2016 it was beating Belgium at home, it elevated us and poured belief into our fans and players In the Giggs/Page era, we have so far failed to beat a big team. If we wish to go to a World Cup we can't just sit back and hope we get there by avoiding having to win a big game. For me, the marker that's going to define this group is tomorrow night We play an under-strength, under-motivated Belgium at home under the lights in front of a full house. The time is now to pull off a victory. If we fail to win we have to grit out a draw, and there's no reason we can't when you look at Scotland's result tonight If we don't achieve the result we need, and we lose the game, we can't honestly say we deserve to reach a World Cup in my view. Yes we will still have a playoff, but most of the teams we will play will be a bigger ask than getting a result tomorrow night If we win, belief will elevate once again at just the right moment. We will go into these playoffs with a spring in our step, and even if we have the misfortune of drawing a big team, we know we have a result against Belgium to give us confidence to pull off a 90 min result Tomorrow is the acid test for me, and I think we will do it. I can see us going ahead and holding out for a win Can you send me something of whatever it is you are taking 😀😀😀😀 Haha! That post was an inspiring read actually but your response reminds me of Tosh during the Euro 2004 campaign where when we played Italy at home before the game everyone was talking about a draw being a good result but Tosh was like “we need to be winning games like this” and you could see the other panellists being all like “woah!” and at the end of the game Tosh looked pissed right off 😂 |
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Post by iantov on Nov 16, 2021 4:04:00 GMT
Any good web sites for Arabic lessons? #Inshallah Aiwa, inshallah indeed! Portugal / Italy - mushkila (problem!) I'll be absolutely gutted if we don't qualify with the tournament being held an hours flight away and having seen all of our other qualifying disasters at The Vetch, Ninian Park, Millenium Stadium etc, I have to admit that I am extremely apprehensive to say the least. |
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Post by quetzal on Nov 16, 2021 5:25:19 GMT
Just done a mock draw with paper in hats. In the order they came out. Only did it once. Sweden v Poland, Wales v Czech Rep, Scotland v Norway, Italy v Ukraine, Russia v North Macedonia, Portugal v Austria.
Lets say we swapped places with Poland. Sweden away a lot more difficult than Czech Rep home. We got to go for it today.
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Post by quetzal on Nov 16, 2021 5:33:53 GMT
Then I did the draw based on who I think goes through. Portugal v Russia, Sweden v Norway, Wales v Italy. It’s a bloody minefield out there!!!
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Post by rioonamazy on Nov 16, 2021 8:03:44 GMT
We need a heaven sent pathway.
Wales v Finland with Scotland v N Macedonia. Then home draw.
Guaranteed fifa will keep portugal italy separate. Por v Ita final would be fifa worse nightmare. Start warming those balls.
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Post by pclaude on Nov 16, 2021 8:35:41 GMT
Hey it's our own fault, we drew 0-0 to Estonia, let's just hope that we learn from that because it's cost us in this situation Nearly every team in the play offs except north Macedonia would have had at least one below par result. This was our only one. Every side in there would have had their Estonia result I suspect |
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Post by pclaude on Nov 16, 2021 8:45:03 GMT
I'm absolutely desperate to get to a WC, but I'm not annoyed that it is so difficult - it should be. Around a quarter of European sides do qualify, and I don't think it should be higher than that. It will just make it all the sweeter when we do qualify, as we eventually will. More than half of conmebol will will qualify next time. Less than a third of UEFA. Given the relative strengths of the confederations, that is nonsense. At least if we qualify next time (it will be 6 from 12 playoff teams not 3) we should get out of the group and into the knock outs as there will be some proper shite there. |
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Post by dai on Nov 16, 2021 9:42:50 GMT
Looking at Scotland's team, they always seem to have 3 or 4 SPL players in there. Really is no reason for us to ignore players like Doidge, Hedges, Woodburn etc if they are in good form.
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Post by underwood on Nov 16, 2021 10:13:32 GMT
I'm absolutely desperate to get to a WC, but I'm not annoyed that it is so difficult - it should be. Around a quarter of European sides do qualify, and I don't think it should be higher than that. It will just make it all the sweeter when we do qualify, as we eventually will. More than half of conmebol will will qualify next time. Less than a third of UEFA. Given the relative strengths of the confederations, that is nonsense. At least if we qualify next time (it will be 6 from 12 playoff teams not 3) we should get out of the group and into the knock outs as there will be some proper shite there. The fact is it is harder to qualify for the World Cup, but a lot easier when you get there, as opposed to the Euros, which has a much higher standard of teams across the board, but is easier to qualify for. |
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Post by cadno on Nov 16, 2021 13:02:04 GMT
We're a weaker squad than Scotland, they looked class vs Denmark, we've been battered by the Danes 3 times since 2018.
McTominnay, McGinn, Armstrong, Gilmore, Fleck, McGregor...
Thats a premier League quality midfield there!
Apart from Rambo and Ampadu our midfield is quite average compared to the Scots. Wilson arguably but he isn't an all round midfielder yet. Levitt looks like he could be good, need him to step up when he gets a chance.
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Post by cadno on Nov 16, 2021 13:05:01 GMT
Looking at Scotland's team, they always seem to have 3 or 4 SPL players in there. Really is no reason for us to ignore players like Doidge, Hedges, Woodburn etc if they are in good form. A couple starting for them last night play for Hearts, Scottish league 1 side last season! Agree we should be giving our SPL players more opportunities |
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Post by quetzal on Nov 16, 2021 16:22:48 GMT
We're a weaker squad than Scotland, they looked class vs Denmark, we've been battered by the Danes 3 times since 2018. McTominnay, McGinn, Armstrong, Gilmore, Fleck, McGregor... Thats a premier League quality midfield there! Apart from Rambo and Ampadu our midfield is quite average compared to the Scots. Wilson arguably but he isn't an all round midfielder yet. Levitt looks like he could be good, need him to step up when he gets a chance. We are a weaker team at the moment. I’d say they’re as good as our Euro team of 2016 but and it’s a big but. They don’t have a 2016 Bale. |
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Post by jimexotic on Nov 16, 2021 17:23:22 GMT
Scotland fold when someone puts it on them, we saw that at the Euros. Scraping a late winner against Israel, beating Moldova 2-0 and a half bothered Denmark 2-0 is a mixture of good enough and impressive but they are more than beatable and shaky at the back, I think we would cause them all kinds of problems with our pace and I think Kieffer would give their centre backs nightmares as they try to focus on him only to see Ramsey galloping through
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Post by quetzal on Nov 16, 2021 17:29:55 GMT
Scotland fold when someone puts it on them, we saw that at the Euros. Scraping a late winner against Israel, beating Moldova 2-0 and a half bothered Denmark 2-0 is a mixture of good enough and impressive but they are more than beatable and shaky at the back, I think we would cause them all kinds of problems with our pace and I think Kieffer would give their centre backs nightmares as they try to focus on him only to see Ramsey galloping through They played lovely football yesterday. When Scotland were crap we binned them. I think they’re good now. |
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Post by saturn9 on Nov 16, 2021 17:32:07 GMT
Scotland fold when someone puts it on them, we saw that at the Euros. Scraping a late winner against Israel, beating Moldova 2-0 and a half bothered Denmark 2-0 is a mixture of good enough and impressive but they are more than beatable and shaky at the back, I think we would cause them all kinds of problems with our pace and I think Kieffer would give their centre backs nightmares as they try to focus on him only to see Ramsey galloping through Agreed re the Scots, they always will get found out by a motivated, top ten team. Belgians did it to them, and the Danes away recently. |
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Post by jimexotic on Nov 16, 2021 17:52:15 GMT
It's worth remembering that our Denmark game wasn't really a 4-0 one, was it? We just fell apart at the end because of the frustration and conceded two late goals and had Wilson sent off. The Roberts injury hit us badly and although it's not an excuse and there is no excuse for the loss the whole match was ruined by the referee, Moore gets booked for being 6ft 5ins and I lost track of the amount of times Danish players stayed down for ages, ruining any flow of the game once they were a goal up and whacking it into overdrive once a rusty and green Neco gifted them a second. I found the whole play acting from the Danes quite disgusting considering what had happened to their teammate in the first game. That incident also galvanised the Danes for the tournament. Put it this way, Scotland were playing like it was their cup final last night whilst Denmark weren't fussed, had Scotland faced the version of Denmark that we did with the refereeing and play acting from the Danes that we had to endure they wouldn't have been dancing in Hampden last night, they'd have been doing much the same as they were when they played the Czech's and the Croats there.
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Post by spiritof16 on Nov 16, 2021 22:01:26 GMT
Can someone explain what decides who is at home in the playoff final matches? Or are they neutral? Tia
Also is there any chance faw will get silly and move us to the millennium stadium?
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Nov 16, 2021 22:03:56 GMT
Can someone explain what decides who is at home in the playoff final matches? Or are they neutral? Tia Also is there any chance faw will get silly and move us to the millennium stadium? It's randomly drawn, 50/50 chance. We'll know when the semi-final draws made, whether we'd be home or away in the final and which tie we'd be up against. |
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Post by welshrover on Nov 16, 2021 22:06:38 GMT
Can someone explain what decides who is at home in the playoff final matches? Or are they neutral? Tia Also is there any chance faw will get silly and move us to the millennium stadium? It's randomly drawn, 50/50 chance. We'll know when the semi-final draws made, whether we'd be home or away in the final and which tie we'd be up against. I'll bet any money the ties involving Italy and Portugal will have home draws for the second game. More importantly they keep showing the top 10 in a table but who are 11 & 12? |
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Post by morg on Nov 16, 2021 22:06:58 GMT
Can someone explain what decides who is at home in the playoff final matches? Or are they neutral? Tia Also is there any chance faw will get silly and move us to the millennium stadium? When they make the draw for the semis they also decide which of the 2 matches will have the home advantage in the final. Wouldn't have thought so re stadium. Maybe see them cashing in for Nations' League depending on who we draw. |
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Post by insertname on Nov 16, 2021 22:07:22 GMT
North Macedonia in the semi final, paired with the winner of Russia v Austria, for me.
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Nov 16, 2021 22:07:49 GMT
It's randomly drawn, 50/50 chance. We'll know when the semi-final draws made, whether we'd be home or away in the final and which tie we'd be up against. I'll bet any money the ties involving Italy and Portugal will have home draws for the second game. More importantly they keep showing the top 10 in a table but who are 11 & 12? 11 and 12 are the sides qualifying via the Nations League which are Austria and the Czech Republic. |
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Post by insertname on Nov 16, 2021 22:08:17 GMT
It's randomly drawn, 50/50 chance. We'll know when the semi-final draws made, whether we'd be home or away in the final and which tie we'd be up against. I'll bet any money the ties involving Italy and Portugal will have home draws for the second game. More importantly they keep showing the top 10 in a table but who are 11 & 12? The unseeded 6 are: North Macedonia Poland Czechs Ukraine Austria Turkey |
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Post by jimexotic on Nov 16, 2021 22:36:37 GMT
Fear nobody, we finished second in a tough group with the Number One ranked side the only team to beat us and finish above us. Nobody wants to face Bale, Ramsey, Kieffer and Neco, that's a very tough night for any of them.
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Post by saints19 on Nov 16, 2021 22:45:04 GMT
I'm absolutely desperate to get to a WC, but I'm not annoyed that it is so difficult - it should be. Around a quarter of European sides do qualify, and I don't think it should be higher than that. It will just make it all the sweeter when we do qualify, as we eventually will. More than half of conmebol will will qualify next time. Less than a third of UEFA. Given the relative strengths of the confederations, that is nonsense. At least if we qualify next time (it will be 6 from 12 playoff teams not 3) we should get out of the group and into the knock outs as there will be some proper shite there. Really disagree with the idea of an expanded WC (and also the two-yearly crap) but do agree it's too hard to qualify from UEF given the strength of the confederation, I think the spaces should be redistributed a bit. |
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Post by quetzal on Nov 16, 2021 22:46:34 GMT
Poland resting Lewandowski was bonkers. Hence let’s not draw Poland.
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Post by saints19 on Nov 16, 2021 22:50:04 GMT
We're a weaker squad than Scotland, they looked class vs Denmark, we've been battered by the Danes 3 times since 2018. McTominnay, McGinn, Armstrong, Gilmore, Fleck, McGregor... Thats a premier League quality midfield there! Apart from Rambo and Ampadu our midfield is quite average compared to the Scots. Wilson arguably but he isn't an all round midfielder yet. Levitt looks like he could be good, need him to step up when he gets a chance. They're strong in midfield but weaker up front. Defence I'd say they have an edge at left back, arguably we have an edge at right back and the centre backs are comparable. Goalies roughly comparable too. But they don't have world class players except two world class left backs. Bale and Ramsey are still top quality players. It's a hard one to call on paper and I expect it would be a tight game in reality. We won't have to play them in the semis but I wouldn't mind getting them in our path - can't really pick a more favourable seeded team to play in the final IMO |
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Post by saints19 on Nov 16, 2021 22:51:43 GMT
Poland resting Lewandowski was bonkers. Hence let’s not draw Poland. Wow, that looks a shocking managerial decision in hindsight |
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