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Post by rhys on Apr 11, 2011 12:25:12 GMT
From what I've seen he's great for his club but is awfull for Wales...
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Post by rushlegend on Apr 11, 2011 13:12:19 GMT
He has cost us EVERY game in this campaign so far - so sorry one decent performance against the "mighty" Newcastle doesn't cut it for me.
I now hate him with a passion!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2011 13:33:02 GMT
...James Collins that is, not Danny. From Garth Crooks' team of the week: "When he's not being disciplined by his club or falling out with his team-mates, Collins is a very good defender. He is solid at the back and always a danger at set plays. You cannot do any better than keep a clean sheet and score the winner. Did you know? Won 16 aerial challenges this weekend, the most in the Premier League." How does that correlate to international football? |
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Post by cymrupenybont on Apr 11, 2011 14:05:22 GMT
playing alongside richard dunne and that petrov instead of chris gunter and andrew crofts probably helps, and also up against some youngster who's never had a kick at that level rather than people like wayne rooney?
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Post by squatter1 on Apr 11, 2011 17:45:58 GMT
Thought that would get some ganders up!
Actually, I agree he's been a liability for us of late, but I also think he's as good as we've got so we just have to stick with him. The criticism in the England game was a little harsh as he slipped just before giving away the penalty. He also dominated the aerial balls in that game.
Kind of agree about the donkey/classy defender pairing point: isnt Williams supposed to be that kind of player? He certainly hasnt shown his best for Wales either.
What was Pele's Nicky Butt Idea, Trendy?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2011 17:55:20 GMT
Nice to see Wales most gifted midfielder getting a couple for Cardiff as well.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2011 18:35:57 GMT
Thought that would get some ganders up! Actually, I agree he's been a liability for us of late, but I also think he's as good as we've got so we just have to stick with him. The criticism in the England game was a little harsh as he slipped just before giving away the penalty. He also dominated the aerial balls in that game. Kind of agree about the donkey/classy defender pairing point: isnt Williams supposed to be that kind of player? He certainly hasnt shown his best for Wales either. What was Pele's Nicky Butt Idea, Trendy? Yeah that Darren Bent is well handy in the air isnt he?  He may have slipped but maybe if he hadnt been out of position in the first place he would have dealt with that England attack and there would have been no need to slip and foul the England player. He may do alright in the Premiership but he has cost us at least one goal in the last 5 matches he has played. That isnt just an occasional blip, that is a seriously undermining problem that has to be nipped in the bud, because the very real possibility is that he will do it again in our next match. Hes a squad player at best if Speed has got any balls about him. Lets be fair how, many of us predicted that he was gonna give a goal away against England? We werent wrong, thats how predictable Collins is. |
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Post by saints19 on Apr 11, 2011 22:53:53 GMT
I think he should be dropped for the next game. Doesn't matter how well he's playing for his club, he hasn't played well for Wales in ages and maybe he's getting a bit complacent.
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Post by squatter1 on Apr 11, 2011 23:43:45 GMT
Yes! You're right - bring forward the great Nyatanga!
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Post by saints19 on Apr 12, 2011 1:09:31 GMT
Nyatanga's solid. That's better than a liability such as Collins currently is, for whatever reason.
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Post by cilmeri on Apr 12, 2011 5:28:15 GMT
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Post by squatter1 on Apr 12, 2011 8:14:50 GMT
Yes, not being able to prevent Barnsley putting four past Brizzle city last weekend attests to that. |
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Post by idiot on Apr 12, 2011 9:08:56 GMT
regardless of who comes in to replace him it might be best for him to be dropped,he has cost us big recently,he cant be trusted at the moment and to keep picking him while he does these mistakes just because he's a premiership player is wrong,we need something that works on the pitch,not something that looks decent on paper
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Post by saints19 on Apr 12, 2011 10:53:46 GMT
Yes, not being able to prevent Barnsley putting four past Brizzle city last weekend attests to that. That's a team performance. Name me one occasion where Nyatanga has individually been at fault for us as Collins has of late. |
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Post by Tim P on Apr 12, 2011 11:09:22 GMT
What was Pele's Nicky Butt Idea, Trendy? That he was the best player in the world. |
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Post by squatter1 on Apr 12, 2011 17:02:16 GMT
Brilliant.
I heard that Garincha said the same thing about Carl Fletcher.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2011 23:20:31 GMT
To be honest, I was speaking to a Villa supporting pal of mine and the two of us agreed that Collins plays better when Richard Dunne is with him. Why? Cos he's better than Ashley Williams who for me is a average Championship centre back who to me always looks not comfortable on the ball then hoofs it long if not is always looking for touch, ironic seeing style of football the Swans play. I wish that Speed would have kept the two Collins lads in the centre of defence like in the Ireland match, I know there's not a lot of time for the two Collins lads on here, but Danny Collins for me is better than Williams, he has Premier League experience, summat lacking a lot in the Wales set up and the two of them looked better in there than when Collins has played with Williams, where the two seem to panic, not look comfortable with each other.
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Post by squatter1 on Apr 14, 2011 23:38:23 GMT
I dont have a problem with a Collins/Collins centreback pairing. Makes it easier for the pundits for one thing. However, I hope and pray to all that is holy that the days of D Collins left back are gone (although as i type that I realise the next best option at LB is as yet untried still shot-in-the-dark Taylor)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2011 23:53:12 GMT
For me D Collins was always a centre back. I guess he was an option at LB in the absence of anything else.
I guess there must be a reason why J Collins plays better at Villa than with Wales. But Im not sure his individual errors are the fault of Williams.
Either way I hope we see a different CB pairing against Montenegro, Ill be physically sick if Speed doesnt do something to remedy the situation and plays J Collins and Williams.
Personally Id try Ricketts and D Collins. D Collins was OK against Ireland and Ricketts was pretty good v Bulgaria. I reckon that could work, and we are at the point where maverick thinking instead of play it safe has to be the way forward.
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Post by saints19 on Apr 15, 2011 0:28:31 GMT
Ricketts and Collins would be interesting, but Speed will leave himself vulnerable by doing that, as neither of them are definitively centre-backs. Worth a go in a friendly though, I agree.
J Collins needs a match on the bench to reflect and Williams also makes me a bit uncomfortable at times, he was awful in the Bulgaria game (though admittedly played out of position).
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Post by ericyoung on Apr 15, 2011 1:06:40 GMT
Nyatanga is fit again. How come he was good enough to gain 20 odd caps for us a few seasons ago and suddenly he's not anywhere near the picture??
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Post by saints19 on Apr 15, 2011 12:45:24 GMT
Toshack seemed to like him, Lewin hasn't been involved since he stepped down.
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Post by mwytai on Apr 15, 2011 14:13:57 GMT
JC and AW were rivals for the captaincy so it was a good idea to select neither for that role. They don't seem to get on.
JC had a nightmare 15 mins against England. First he was out-manoeuvred by Young and chopped him down when AW was in position to cover. Young might still have scored but JC's action was utterly stupid. For the second, JC reacted so late that he was yards behind Bent. If he'd caught Bent it would have been another penalty and a red card because he was going in on his heels.
JC should be rested for the May matches and AW should play with alternatives - Nyatanga, Wilson(now on the bench for City) and Nsiala(on the bench for Everton, if he'll turn up, Moyes is no friend of Welsh Football). For back-up there's Morgan and perhaps Basey, who can pay LB or CB and has gradually got a grip @ Posh.
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Post by oojibooji on Apr 15, 2011 15:32:04 GMT
Moyes is no friend of Welsh Football Is anyone a friend of Welsh football. I'm afraid to say some of your suggestions are garbage. |
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Post by cilmeri on Apr 15, 2011 18:35:14 GMT
Nyatanga is fit again. How come he was good enough to gain 20 odd caps for us a few seasons ago and suddenly he's not anywhere near the picture?? Not sure was ever good enough was he? We needed players and put faith in youngsters which was fair enough and expected him to develop into an international but hasn't done so yet. He still might though. |
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Post by llannerch on Apr 17, 2011 20:14:40 GMT
(although as i type that I realise the next best option at LB is as yet untried still shot-in-the-dark Taylor) Eh? Ricketts is our best left back by a country mile. Taylor might become our best left back, but he's a novice |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2011 22:33:48 GMT
The bottom line is our defenders are rubbish! no matter who you have as back 4/5. that's why we will be in pot 6 for the forthcoming WC draw.
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Post by squatter on Apr 18, 2011 18:32:40 GMT
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Post by ericyoung on Apr 18, 2011 22:16:12 GMT
could be amazing for us
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Post by flynnfan on May 28, 2011 18:23:56 GMT
Lots of positive posts about the player turn out. And yes, compared to what we've been used to it was excellent. However, the stand out no show for me was James Collins, who supposedely has an injury, but had actually just played his 2 best games of the season to help Villa to victories over Arsenal and Liverpool. Maybe he thought he was going to be dropped and couldn't stand the embarressment of watching Craig Morgan play in his position from the bench? Or maybe he is genuinely injured and I'm being overly cynical?
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