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Post by flynnfan on Jun 19, 2010 20:22:38 GMT
well, we don't know how things will go for Hodgson over the next couple of years. These things often come down to timing. Say he stays at Fulham and they have a couple of ordinary seasons, finishing 15th in the league a couple of times say, maybe Al Fayed will decide its time for a change there just as Toshack leaves? He's managed Finland, Switzerland and the UAE in the past so its not completely ludicrious think he might want to manage us.
Flynnie should still be the man though!
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Post by welsho on Jun 21, 2010 22:25:10 GMT
Squatter, think Flynn and Speed is a decent shout, but would disagree that we're blessed with Welsh managers.
Pulis is interesting, I'd like to think he might be quite underrated with the nous to make us a force in qualifiers, but I suspect he's just a plodder.
Giggs would be an interesting gamble, as would Speed to a lesser extent.
Moot point though, it has to be Flynn
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Post by tai33stashon on Jun 22, 2010 16:08:47 GMT
I would go for any of these Sanchez, Venebals, Hogdson or maybe even get Hughesy back even if he leaves us again for a Premiership team u cant say he didnt try and u cant balme him for leaving?
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Post by Tim P on Jun 23, 2010 19:19:07 GMT
I would go for any of these Sanchez, Venebals, Hogdson or maybe even get Hughesy back even if he leaves us again for a Premiership team u cant say he didnt try and u cant balme him for leaving? ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2010 23:27:33 GMT
I think speculation regarding the Wales manager is all but pointless.
Toshack will be here until, at least, the end of these qualifiers. At this point the circumstances of the potential candidates could be vastly different. By that stage it's reasonable to assume Coleman will have another job, Pulis will still be in a job paying better than the Wales position. Speed will still lack the requisite experience.
What this implies to me is that Wales may need to go abroad,if this is a case, I think we may need a "director of football" type role, overseeing the development of footballing development irrespective of manager. So whether this is Flynn, or Flynn carries on looking after the Welsh youth sides with Tosh or someone similair continues part time in that sort of position- an element of continuity is important.
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Post by saints19 on Jun 24, 2010 1:01:16 GMT
It might not be the case that Toshack stays for the whole campaign. If we lose our first three games, I reckon he'd realise the time is right to bow out, with some words of encouragement to that end hopefully forthcoming from the FAW if he doesn't manage it himself.
It should be Flynn next. He should get a whole campaign to prove himself, but we shouldn't commit to more than that. A two and a half year deal for Flynn sounds about right.
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Post by tai33stashon on Jun 24, 2010 20:39:34 GMT
I would go for any of these Sanchez, Venebals, Hogdson or maybe even get Hughesy back even if he leaves us again for a Premiership team u cant say he didnt try and u cant balme him for leaving? ;D Whats so funny they could all doa better job than you idiot. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2010 21:55:06 GMT
Whats so funny they could all doa better job than you idiot. As much as I'm sure he believes himself qualified, I don't think he's in contention. Either way, none of those people will be considered. |
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Post by Tim P on Jun 24, 2010 23:16:13 GMT
and the award for best debut post goes to...
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Post by tai33stashon on Jun 25, 2010 12:23:44 GMT
Whats so funny they could all doa better job than you idiot. As much as I'm sure he believes himself qualified, I don't think he's in contention. Either way, none of those people will be considered. tipical comment probably member of the Welsh maffia now theres a reason to feel embrassed about being Welsh. |
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Post by matty on Jun 25, 2010 15:03:25 GMT
tipical comment probably member of the Welsh maffia now theres a reason to feel embrassed about being Welsh. What exactly are you on about? |
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Post by newaddingtonwelsh on Jun 25, 2010 20:52:01 GMT
I would opt for Roy Hodgson if it was at all possible, gets the best outta ordinairy players,and also from the best place t live in britain
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Post by matty on Jun 25, 2010 21:12:17 GMT
How about Alex Ferguson? Seems to have done ok with Man Utd, probably coming to the end of his time there? Obviously I'm joking, but in the same way we aren't going to get Ferguson we aren't going to get a manager strongly linked with Liverpool.
We need to be realistic. Our next coach will be somebody who has either been at a prem club and failed (eg Paul Ince), a lower league manager (eg Steve Cotterill/ Flynn), somebody completely untested (eg Gary Speed), or an unfashionable foreign coach (eg Paul Le Guen!). The problem we have is if we have a good start to the campaign we will always fear the manager leaving - only Flynn would stay whatever the results.
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Post by flynnfan on Jun 25, 2010 22:19:07 GMT
The posters who have mentioned putting a management structure in place are absolutely spot on. I want Brian Flynn appointed next manager for several reasons, but the main one is that he deserves to be promoted- he's done a great job at youth level.
The best example of this I can think of is Scotland between 1986 and 2001. Following Jock Steins death and Alex Ferguson taking charge of the 86 world cup team but making it clear he didn't want the job permanently, the Jocks then appointed Andy Roxborough- not a big name, but someone who had done a very fine job at Scotland youth level since the early 80s. Roxborough got them to the world cup in 1990 an Euro 92 before resigning after failure to qualify in 94. Then his assistant and youth team manager Craig Brown took charge and got them to Euro 96, France 98 and they only lost 2-1 to England in a play off for Euro 2000. He resigned after the failure to get them to the World cup in 02, at which point Scotland decided to abandon the whole promotion from within management structure that had served them so well, and appoint a big name foreign coach in Berti Vogts. (i think partly as a knee jerk reaction to England appointing Sven Goran Erikson and the 5-1 in Munich, which is ridiculous considering just how different the Scotland and England jobs are) It's pretty much gone tits up for Scottish international football ever since.
During the 15 years and 8 campaigns that Roxborough and Brown had between them they qualified for 4 tournaments, which is a record we can only dream about.
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Post by squatter1 on Jun 26, 2010 9:29:43 GMT
Flynnfan speaks the truth, dammit!!
The only way we'll be able to look back at the last five years with anything other than sour disapointment will be if it turns out all Tosh/Flynn's youth development has been part of some sensible long term plan. This plan should include Flynn graduating to the top job with all the talent he's nurtured through the U21s.
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Post by alrhyl on Jun 30, 2010 17:17:08 GMT
Roy Hodgson's a good shout but he's Liverpool bound and ENGLISH!
Chris Coleman or Kenny Jackett for me.
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Post by llannerch on Jul 1, 2010 20:27:56 GMT
Just after you typed Chris Coleman you forgot to add a winky smiley thingy like this:  Or maybe the cheeky raspberry blowing smiley thingy like this:  Because you were joking when you said CC...weren't you? |
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Post by Tim P on Jul 1, 2010 21:46:04 GMT
pretty certain he was.
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Post by alrhyl on Jul 2, 2010 16:46:56 GMT
I'm sorry, did I say Chris Coleman and Kenny Jackett? I meant to say Emile Heskey and John Terry! Genuinely think like most people, give Flynn a go. Failing that Guus Hiddink ;D |
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Post by scoop76 on Jul 2, 2010 20:44:44 GMT
Roy Hodgson's a good shout but he's Liverpool bound and ENGLISH! Chris Coleman or Kenny Jackett for me. Mike Smith was English - but he got us to the semi finals of the 76 Euros - and is the only Wales manager ever to win a qualifying group at full international level. Personally I think Hodgson would have made a great Wales manager - he had a decent record with both Switzerland and Finland. |
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Post by saints19 on Jul 2, 2010 21:29:45 GMT
Roy Hodgson's a good shout but he's Liverpool bound and ENGLISH! Chris Coleman or Kenny Jackett for me. Mike Smith was English - but he got us to the semi finals of the 76 Euros Personally I think Hodgson would have made a great Wales manager - he had a decent record with both Switzerland and Finland. Thought it was the quarters. Hodgson would have been brilliant, but even supposing he had been willing to take the massive drop in salary and reputation from the Fulham job to Wales (not to mention turning Liverpool down) he would also have had to wait two and a half years for Tosh's deal to run out. Not very realistic. Plenty of English managers, ex-Premiership or possibly to be between jobs, who might be a good shout if Flynn doesn't work out. How many managers get sacked mid-season in the impatient world of the Premiership? After Flynn, we might wait before making an appointment to see who becomes available. |
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