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Post by rushlegend on Apr 17, 2015 11:57:11 GMT
 lost on some lol Point trying to make is are we toms as we support an English club ? and give out about the English.... that's irony. When we played England in last qualifiers I stood up and showed the rest of derby I was against England and nearly paid heavy price for that, not one of my smartest moves lol. No problem welshramdcfc Personally i don't think it matters which club you support as long as you pull together and support the Welsh national team. Derby in Prem next year? 
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 14:30:50 GMT
Not spotted as yet, but will guarantee that Neil Kinnock will be on the bandwaggon. When Cardiff was on a good run, he suddenly came out of the woodwork as being a "lifelong" City fan. I fully expect that he will be a there talking about his passion for Welsh international football. Yeah good point. This thread should definitely include: -all 'lifelong' fans just spotted joining the bandwagon, even though we have never ever seen them associated with anything to do with the Welsh football team; and -any nauseating 'celebrities' jumping on board just as we approach qualification who are on TV squealing with excitement. Kinnock raises an important distinction that needs to be made: The garden variety bandwaggoner - no previous known interest in Welsh football, perhaps a known frequenter of the Millennium Stadium during Six Nations season. All of a sudden they pipe up about 50 years of hurt and the pain of 94 and 2004 and possibly even Jordan's handball. Neil Kinnock sounds like he could be a classic bandwaggoner. I think exposing famous bandwaggoners is still well within the scope of this thread. The Tom - there are two varieties here: The lesser Tom: no known previous association with Welsh international football, however they have been known to show support for the England football team, perhaps to amuse/appease their English paymasters/friends. Ruth Jones and Rob Brydon fit this bracket. The major Tom: No known previous association with Welsh international football, however this particularly odious character has been known to shit on his own doorstep by ridiculing the Welsh football team, possibly whilst currying favour with the English like with the lesser Tom. Examples of the major Tom are Keith Allen, Gavin Rees and Robbie Savage. |
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Post by biwmares on Apr 17, 2015 15:30:14 GMT
Carwyn Jones AM a typical "The garden variety bandwaggoner"
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Post by underwood on Apr 17, 2015 15:38:37 GMT
Carwyn Jones AM a typical "The garden variety bandwaggoner" There will be a wrath of shameful performances from Assembly Members come the autumn if we get to France. They will probably preface their delight & support with the line: 'gives the country a massive boost after the heartache of the Rugby World Cup'. If failure to get out of the group can be described as heartache that is. |
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Post by Tim P on Apr 17, 2015 15:56:18 GMT
Anthony Hopkins. American citizen. This is no way makes him an Uncle Tom. I'd love to take the 'british' off my passport. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 15:56:46 GMT
Carwyn Jones AM a typical "The garden variety bandwaggoner" There will be a wrath of shameful performances from Assembly Members come the autumn if we get to France. They will probably preface their delight & support with the line: 'gives the country a massive boost after the heartache of the Rugby World Cup'. If failure to get out of the group can be described as heartache that is. Whilst I am right behind the efforts of the rugby team this autumn I think you are on the money there. |
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Post by llannerch on Apr 17, 2015 16:02:23 GMT
Lest we forget our Leader referred to England as "we" when taking punditry shilling back in 2010 I think
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 16:12:57 GMT
Lest we forget our Leader referred to England as "we" when taking punditry shilling back in 2010 I think Agreed, although I still prefer to think of his current contribution as community service to make uo for that particular faux pas. The tariff stands at qualification, so we will see if he can wipe the slate clean! I cant see Keith Allen popping up as manager to do a good turn for the nation after his ill advised comments about the national team. In fact someone with his media profile, whilst rightly acknowledging we were fucking useless (i assume he was speaking during the Ghoul era) could have been constructive and positive by campaigning for FAW reform and demanding better, rather than turning his back on Welsh football and amplifying the disdain with which his English mates view it. |
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Post by flynnfan on Apr 17, 2015 16:22:14 GMT
Anthony Hopkins. American citizen. This is no way makes him an Uncle Tom. I'd love to take the 'british' off my passport. I was thinking the same. He gave up British citizenship, not his Welsh identity. Plus, Tony Hopkins has been a legend to me ever since he was back in Wales a few years back in the middle of a 6 nations tournament and someone asked him; 'Are we going to win the grand slam Sir Anthony?'.. his answer was 'What's a Grand Slam?' Brilliant! I love anyone who disproves all that Western fail bollocks about 'rugby being in the soul of every Welshman'....bleurgghhhh. |
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Post by llannerch on Apr 17, 2015 16:38:33 GMT
This is no way makes him an Uncle Tom. I'd love to take the 'british' off my passport. I was thinking the same. He gave up British citizenship, not his Welsh identity. Plus, Tony Hopkins has been a legend to me ever since he was back in Wales a few years back in the middle of a 6 nations tournament and someone asked him; 'Are we going to win the grand slam Sir Anthony?'.. his answer was 'What's a Grand Slam?' Brilliant! I love anyone who disproves all that Western fail bollocks about 'rugby being in the soul of every Welshman'....bleurgghhhh. He also donated a ton of cash for that campaign for Yr Wyddfa/Snowdon |
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Apr 17, 2015 19:18:58 GMT
lost on some lol Point trying to make is are we toms as we support an English club ? and give out about the English.... that's irony. When we played England in last qualifiers I stood up and showed the rest of derby I was against England and nearly paid heavy price for that, not one of my smartest moves lol. No problem welshramdcfc Personally i don't think it matters which club you support as long as you pull together and support the Welsh national team. Derby in Prem next year? agree to point but wont win that argument with supporters of Cardiff Swansea Wrexham Newport etc. Supporting a team not where you come from is a hard one to fight but as they say , you can change your girl friend but not your team lol
As for promotion, we really f@#ked up over last 8games, .... but heading over in morning again still with dream of promotion and euro finals 
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Post by scoop76 on Apr 18, 2015 21:24:56 GMT
Yeah good point. This thread should definitely include: -all 'lifelong' fans just spotted joining the bandwagon, even though we have never ever seen them associated with anything to do with the Welsh football team; and -any nauseating 'celebrities' jumping on board just as we approach qualification who are on TV squealing with excitement. Kinnock raises an important distinction that needs to be made: The garden variety bandwaggoner - no previous known interest in Welsh football, perhaps a known frequenter of the Millennium Stadium during Six Nations season. All of a sudden they pipe up about 50 years of hurt and the pain of 94 and 2004 and possibly even Jordan's handball. Neil Kinnock sounds like he could be a classic bandwaggoner. I've got to say this is very unfair. I regularly go to Wales Under 21s matches and I've often seen Kinnock at those games. Ninian Park, Jenner Park, Penydarren Park, etc. We're talking about games during the Jimmy Shoulder era too, when Kinnock was there giving our young players support when many more couldn't be arsed. |
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Post by scoop76 on Apr 18, 2015 21:26:44 GMT
Not spotted as yet, but will guarantee that Neil Kinnock will be on the bandwaggon. When Cardiff was on a good run, he suddenly came out of the woodwork as being a "lifelong" City fan. I fully expect that he will be a there talking about his passion for Welsh international football. Again, unfair. Kinnock often spotted at Wales AND Wales Under 21 games over the years. Hardly a bandwagon jumper. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 22:24:40 GMT
Kinnock raises an important distinction that needs to be made: The garden variety bandwaggoner - no previous known interest in Welsh football, perhaps a known frequenter of the Millennium Stadium during Six Nations season. All of a sudden they pipe up about 50 years of hurt and the pain of 94 and 2004 and possibly even Jordan's handball. Neil Kinnock sounds like he could be a classic bandwaggoner. I've got to say this is very unfair. I regularly go to Wales Under 21s matches and I've often seen Kinnock at those games. Ninian Park, Jenner Park, Penydarren Park, etc. We're talking about games during the Jimmy Shoulder era too, when Kinnock was there giving our young players support when many more couldn't be arsed. The format should be that you have to make a case for why the person deserves inclusion in this thread, so the inverse should also apply- like with Kinnock. You have presented good evidence to the contrary so Kinnock should be considered absolved of suspicion  |
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Post by walesaway on Apr 18, 2015 23:08:30 GMT
I wonder whether Max Boyce will jump on board the bandwagon?
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Post by gwernybwch on Apr 19, 2015 17:25:38 GMT
Not spotted as yet, but will guarantee that Neil Kinnock will be on the bandwaggon. When Cardiff was on a good run, he suddenly came out of the woodwork as being a "lifelong" City fan. I fully expect that he will be a there talking about his passion for Welsh international football. Again, unfair. Kinnock often spotted at Wales AND Wales Under 21 games over the years. Hardly a bandwagon jumper. I've done a brief internet search and can't find any reference where Neil Kinnock has made any comment about Welsh international football. So I stand by my comment; if or when we qualify I expect he will start making comments in the media about his passion for Welsh international football. Any change from his current position; i.e. occasionally attending games but never talking in the media about it, will as I see it, mean he will be jumping on the bandwagon. |
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Post by ontheroadagain on Apr 19, 2015 17:41:27 GMT
Again, unfair. Kinnock often spotted at Wales AND Wales Under 21 games over the years. Hardly a bandwagon jumper. I've done a brief internet search and can't find any reference where Neil Kinnock has made any comment about Welsh international football. So I stand by my comment; if or when we qualify I expect he will start making comments in the media about his passion for Welsh international football. Any change from his current position; i.e. occasionally attending games but never talking in the media about it, will as I see it, mean he will be jumping on the bandwagon. 5live were doing a piece from Cardiff on the General Election. I caught the tail end of an item where Kinnock was praising the Welsh football team and stating they have a great chance to qualify for the Euros. |
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Post by jbt95 on Apr 19, 2015 18:09:38 GMT
I wonder whether Max Boyce will jump on board the bandwagon? He will probably turn up playing some sh*t rugby song at the Andorra game pre-match. |
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Post by scoop76 on Apr 19, 2015 20:55:15 GMT
Again, unfair. Kinnock often spotted at Wales AND Wales Under 21 games over the years. Hardly a bandwagon jumper. I've done a brief internet search and can't find any reference where Neil Kinnock has made any comment about Welsh international football. So I stand by my comment; if or when we qualify I expect he will start making comments in the media about his passion for Welsh international football. Any change from his current position; i.e. occasionally attending games but never talking in the media about it, will as I see it, mean he will be jumping on the bandwagon. Neil Kinnock narrated BBC Wales' six part radio series on the history of Welsh international football. That's a good example of him being in the media talking about it. It was broadcast in 2008. Here's the link (the programmes aren't online any more sadly): www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b009nsxs/episodes/guideI'm sorry but if you're going to start labelling Kinnock as a bandwagon jumper on the basis of not finding any quotes in a brief Internet search, then pretty much no-one is safe. |
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Post by scoop76 on Apr 19, 2015 21:29:06 GMT
Again, unfair. Kinnock often spotted at Wales AND Wales Under 21 games over the years. Hardly a bandwagon jumper. I've done a brief internet search and can't find any reference where Neil Kinnock has made any comment about Welsh international football. So I stand by my comment; if or when we qualify I expect he will start making comments in the media about his passion for Welsh international football. Any change from his current position; i.e. occasionally attending games but never talking in the media about it, will as I see it, mean he will be jumping on the bandwagon. Here is Kinnock talking ahead of Wales v Norway in 2011: www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/uk-wales-15661752 |
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Post by scoop76 on Apr 19, 2015 21:33:25 GMT
I've done a brief internet search and can't find any reference where Neil Kinnock has made any comment about Welsh international football. So I stand by my comment; if or when we qualify I expect he will start making comments in the media about his passion for Welsh international football. Any change from his current position; i.e. occasionally attending games but never talking in the media about it, will as I see it, mean he will be jumping on the bandwagon. Here is Kinnock talking ahead of Wales v Norway in 2011: www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/uk-wales-15661752And in 2013, Kinnock made a speech at the unveiling of the Fred Keenor statue at Cardiff City Stadium, which was largely about Fred's Wales international career. djleekee.wordpress.com/2012/11/10/ccfc-fred-keenor-statue-unveiling/ |
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Post by adecolley on Apr 19, 2015 21:35:47 GMT
I interviewed Kinnock forBobbing Along fanzine in 1993-ish about his Cardiff City supporting days (rather then Wales). He spoke so rhapsodically about watching Ivor Allchurch in the 60s that he convinced me he was a genuine football fan.
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Post by scoop76 on Apr 19, 2015 21:37:22 GMT
I've done a brief internet search and can't find any reference where Neil Kinnock has made any comment about Welsh international football. So I stand by my comment; if or when we qualify I expect he will start making comments in the media about his passion for Welsh international football. Any change from his current position; i.e. occasionally attending games but never talking in the media about it, will as I see it, mean he will be jumping on the bandwagon. 5live were doing a piece from Cardiff on the General Election. I caught the tail end of an item where Kinnock was praising the Welsh football team and stating they have a great chance to qualify for the Euros. Yeah, he's done quite a few interviews about Wales international football for Radio Wales over the years too. |
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Post by scoop76 on Apr 19, 2015 21:55:35 GMT
Carwyn Jones AM a typical "The garden variety bandwaggoner" There will be a wrath of shameful performances from Assembly Members come the autumn if we get to France. They will probably preface their delight & support with the line: 'gives the country a massive boost after the heartache of the Rugby World Cup'. If failure to get out of the group can be described as heartache that is. Some exceptions: Alun Davies AM, who I've seen on a few Wales Away trips over the years. He was definitely in Helsinki, Belgrade and Moscow in 2002/2003; I think i saw him in Belfast in 2005 too. Alun Ffred Jones is a big Wales football fan as well I believe, as is Lesley Griffiths. |
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Post by biwmares on Apr 19, 2015 22:02:25 GMT
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Post by adecolley on Apr 19, 2015 22:58:01 GMT
I think Alun Davies had a hot flush for Wales and I haven't seen him since the Russia game. He told me after the win in finland that he didn't think we were very good and I said I'd been on 25 away trips and that was definitely the best we'd ever played.
Don't think he knew anything about football.
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Post by toshfan on Apr 20, 2015 8:40:24 GMT
Some exceptions: Alun Davies AM, who I've seen on a few Wales Away trips over the years. He was definitely in Helsinki, Belgrade and Moscow in 2002/2003; I think i saw him in Belfast in 2005 too. Alun Ffred Jones is a big Wales football fan as well I believe, as is Lesley Griffiths. Ann Jones AM is a genuine football fan, of Rhyl FC especially. Leighton Andrews once said how much he loved watching Toshack at Ninian, though Andrews (like Kinnock) is into the Egg also. |
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Post by richierich333 on Apr 20, 2015 12:40:29 GMT
I've done a brief internet search and can't find any reference where Neil Kinnock has made any comment about Welsh international football. So I stand by my comment; if or when we qualify I expect he will start making comments in the media about his passion for Welsh international football. Any change from his current position; i.e. occasionally attending games but never talking in the media about it, will as I see it, mean he will be jumping on the bandwagon. Neil Kinnock narrated BBC Wales' six part radio series on the history of Welsh international football. That's a good example of him being in the media talking about it. It was broadcast in 2008. Here's the link (the programmes aren't online any more sadly): www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b009nsxs/episodes/guideI'm sorry but if you're going to start labelling Kinnock as a bandwagon jumper on the basis of not finding any quotes in a brief Internet search, then pretty much no-one is safe. Yep even Wales fans are now uncle toms. Are we all uncle tom's then? This witch hunt is turning into a sad joke. Like they didn't know that we would have extra fans during the good times, what team doesn't? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 12:45:55 GMT
Neil Kinnock narrated BBC Wales' six part radio series on the history of Welsh international football. That's a good example of him being in the media talking about it. It was broadcast in 2008. Here's the link (the programmes aren't online any more sadly): www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b009nsxs/episodes/guideI'm sorry but if you're going to start labelling Kinnock as a bandwagon jumper on the basis of not finding any quotes in a brief Internet search, then pretty much no-one is safe. Yep even Wales fans are now uncle toms. Are we all uncle tom's then? This witch hunt is turning into a sad joke. Like they didn't know that we would have extra fans during the good times, what team doesn't? Calm down richie and have a nice cup of tea - its a bit of fun. On the balance of the evidence, Kinnock whilst being nauseating to many due to political hypocrisy, appears not to be an Uncle Tom in this instance. |
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Post by gwernybwch on Apr 20, 2015 12:51:24 GMT
Neil Kinnock narrated BBC Wales' six part radio series on the history of Welsh international football. That's a good example of him being in the media talking about it. It was broadcast in 2008. OK, OK I concede that Kinnock has had previous with Welsh international football and won't be a bandwaggoner. Furthermore, I won't begrudge him when he is given prime seats, regardless of his membership points, for the forthcoming qualifiers. |
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