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Post by Tim P on Apr 5, 2012 20:08:07 GMT
Personally, I find the 'Ramsey is finished' angle pretty laughable.
Wenger Trusts him now, and he'll Trust him next season.
When I read the comment about a 'mid table' team buying him, I nearly spat my tropicana out.
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Post by abwales on Apr 5, 2012 21:09:58 GMT
Flynn, both reviews were from games early on this season, when I did say I actually saw glimpses of his old self, the England game being one of those. I could very easily surf the internet and post reviews of him being crap.
Trendy, no-one has said he's finished, and maybe the mid-table comment was a bit too far, but only because its Wenger and he's extremely loyal. Hopefully his loyalty will be rewarded with Ramsey being back to his best next season, fingers crossed, cause we need great performances from him now we have a shit manager.
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Post by flynnfan on Apr 5, 2012 21:35:43 GMT
Personally, I find the 'Ramsey is finished' angle pretty laughable. Wenger Trusts him now, and he'll Trust him next season. When I read the comment about a 'mid table' team buying him, I nearly spat my tropicana out. Also, if Arsenal were to get shot (very unlikely considering how much Wenger already trusts him) his champions league and international performances would be of interest to decent teams in Spain, Germany, Italy etc It's laughable to imagine him at a West Brom or QPR any time soon. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2012 9:59:12 GMT
Ramsey will not move to a mid-table team next season. People are stupid saying his career is over:L he's still very young,he's got bags of talent, it's just about getting his confidence back:) Giggsy had a bad spell at Manchester United and the fans were booing him!! Iniesta lost a very close friend and it really effected him, he had a terrible terrible season and couldn't get his form back, Spain took him too the World Cup and he eventually scored the winner in the World Cup Final. I can't help but think that Speedo's death has effected Ramsey, as has the absence of Fabregas,Nasri and Wilshere. Next Season i guarantee you, he will be back. fourfourtwo.com/news/spain/67947/default.aspx |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2012 17:06:22 GMT
Was class today when he came on, could've passed it to V.Persie in the end, but did well to get there, quality  |
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Post by abwales on Apr 8, 2012 20:47:55 GMT
He played for 16 minutes, had 1 big moment and mucked it right up, he was 8 yards or so from goal, and didn't even hit the target after not setting up an easy tap in for the best striker in the premier league. The old Ramsey would've buried it, or gifted it to rvp.
I wish I had your every cloud has a silver lining thing.
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Post by flynnfan on Apr 8, 2012 21:50:03 GMT
I don't know whats happened to his shooting. It used to be excellent, he could do spending an extra half hour a day on the training ground practicing.
His play to set up the chance where he should have buried it was excellent though.
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Post by djb77 on Apr 9, 2012 13:17:33 GMT
I've been keeping a close eye on Ramsey's performances since he returned from the leg breaks. I'm getting a fair bit of stick from friends at the moment as for the last few years I've been telling everyone who'd listen (and many that didn't want to) what a great player he was going to be and how excited I was that he was Welsh.
Heck, when they asked what kind of player he was, I'd liken him to a cross between Gerrard and Zidane (tongue only slightly in the cheek). I was that certain he was going to be a footballing superstar.
As mentioned by others, there have only been flashes of his former self this season, and a number of frankly disappointing performances. Hence I've started to question whether I've been massively off the mark. Indeed if you take a look at some of the Arsenal forums, they are currently treating him as the new Denilson, he can it seems do no right at the moment.
Reading a forum after the QPR match (in which he was played out of position on the left) the Ramsey bashing was relentless. Choice remarks being:-
- Ramsey is always ****
- His ball control and first touch are simply not good enough
- Ramsey performed just like he has done all season, ran hard, but lacked the quality to play the type of football we want
- send him on-loan to Bolton next season, and we should sign a classy first choice CAM this summer.
- Ramsey is a limited player and was heavily overrated
- He is Carrick Mk 2 (Carrick's a quality player though)
I think (and hope) that alot of his form problems are simply down to confidence. When he first returned from injury he at least appeared to be trying the more 'showy' aspects of his play, the clever little touches, the hollywood passes. Trouble is to get away with this, you need to very precise. Sadly the consistency wasn't there.
Instead of ploughing on with this approach, he seems to have taken the deliberate decision to play a much simplier game, I guess in the hope of at least minimising the abuse he'd get by giving the ball away. Trouble is, it was the showy aspects of his game that really made him stand out to me, predictably by not playing his natural game he's appearing rather ordinary (relatively). I'm hopeful he's still got everything in his locker, that the injury hasn't robbed him of those very fine margins that exist between a good top flight footballer and a great one. Please let it just be confidence!
Wenger appears to be in a bit of a catch 22 at the moment in how to deal with this. Dropping him completely is obviously going to do little for his confidence, yet neither is the abuse he's receiving from teamates and fans when he drops a clanger. It's a real pity he didn't nail that late chance against Man City at the Emirates.
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Post by welshwizard79 on Apr 9, 2012 13:34:05 GMT
I've been keeping a close eye on Ramsey's performances since he returned from the leg breaks. I'm getting a fair bit of stick from friends at the moment as for the last few years I've been telling everyone who'd listen (and many that didn't want to) what a great player he was going to be and how excited I was that he was Welsh. Heck, when they asked what kind of player he was, I'd liken him to a cross between Gerrard and Zidane (tongue only slightly in the cheek). I was that certain he was going to be a footballing superstar. As mentioned by others, there have only been flashes of his former self this season, and a number of frankly disappointing performances. Hence I've started to question whether I've been massively off the mark. Indeed if you take a look at some of the Arsenal forums, they are currently treating him as the new Denilson, he can it seems do no right at the moment. Reading a forum after the QPR match (in which he was played out of position on the left) the Ramsey bashing was relentless. Choice remarks being:- - Ramsey is always **** - His ball control and first touch are simply not good enough - Ramsey performed just like he has done all season, ran hard, but lacked the quality to play the type of football we want - send him on-loan to Bolton next season, and we should sign a classy first choice CAM this summer. - Ramsey is a limited player and was heavily overrated - He is Carrick Mk 2 (Carrick's a quality player though) I think (and hope) that alot of his form problems are simply down to confidence. When he first returned from injury he at least appeared to be trying the more 'showy' aspects of his play, the clever little touches, the hollywood passes. Trouble is to get away with this, you need to very precise. Sadly the consistency wasn't there. Instead of ploughing on with this approach, he seems to have taken the deliberate decision to play a much simplier game, I guess in the hope of at least minimising the abuse he'd get by giving the ball away. Trouble is, it was the showy aspects of his game that really made him stand out to me, predictably by not playing his natural game he's appearing rather ordinary (relatively). I'm hopeful he's still got everything in his locker, that the injury hasn't robbed him of those very fine margins that exist between a good top flight footballer and a great one. Please let it just be confidence! Wenger appears to be in a bit of a catch 22 at the moment in how to deal with this. Dropping him completely is obviously going to do little for his confidence, yet neither is the abuse he's receiving from teamates and fans when he drops a clanger. It's a real pity he didn't nail that late chance against Man City at the Emirates. Thing is Rambo is having a bad a run of form and his confidence is low. If he buried that goal yesterday everybody would be singing a different tune. He's a young man and will get back to his best, Bale couldnt get on the spurs bench not so long ago and look at him now. Ramsey is a talent and will come good again. |
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Post by djb77 on Apr 9, 2012 13:44:37 GMT
Indeed. Bale is an apt example. At that time I was working with two Spurs fans who, knowing I was Welsh, would rip me about Bale. They were convinced he was useless and that they'd drive him themselves to any club who'd offer £3m for him. Fans are a fickle bunch indeed.
I'd argue that it was only a matter of time before he came good and that he was potentially great as an attacking player. I remain very hopefully (if not as utterly convinced) that I'll be similarly proved right about Rambo. As they say form is temporary, class is permanent.
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Post by welshwizard79 on Apr 9, 2012 14:09:27 GMT
Indeed. Bale is an apt example. At that time I was working with two Spurs fans who, knowing I was Welsh, would rip me about Bale. They were convinced he was useless and that they'd drive him themselves to any club who'd offer £3m for him. Fans are a fickle bunch indeed. I'd argue that it was only a matter of time before he came good and that he was potentially great as an attacking player. I remain very hopefully (if not as utterly convinced) that I'll be similarly proved right about Rambo. As they say form is temporary, class is permanent. Yep agree mate. Also, Arsenal are having a good season and Rambo is still being picked regular so he cant be that poor every week. |
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Post by djb77 on Apr 9, 2012 14:20:05 GMT
Yep, in the same forum thread, they were bemoaning the fact that Wenger keeps picking him. That Ramsey is Wenger's pet project. I think the fact that Wenger has faith bodes well.
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Post by flynnfan on Apr 10, 2012 20:05:58 GMT
The conversations I've been having about about Ramsey with Arsenal fans remind me a lot of the conversations I was having about Bale with Spurs fans three years ago.
I still have faith. More importantly, so does Wenger.
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Post by welshwizard79 on Apr 11, 2012 10:29:16 GMT
The conversations I've been having about about Ramsey with Arsenal fans remind me a lot of the conversations I was having about Bale with Spurs fans three years ago. I still have faith. More importantly, so does Wenger. Yeah at one point Bale was going to Notts Forest and they all said he was a curse etc. Football fans are fickle. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2012 13:22:09 GMT
The conversations I've been having about about Ramsey with Arsenal fans remind me a lot of the conversations I was having about Bale with Spurs fans three years ago. I still have faith. More importantly, so does Wenger. Yeah at one point Bale was going to Notts Forest and they all said he was a curse etc. Football fans are fickle. exactly. never doubt ramsey's talent. |
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Post by tintedaudio on Apr 11, 2012 16:30:04 GMT
Pretty safe to say everyone on this board wants Ramsey to rediscover his form. We all want the same thing. Will be interesting to see if he starts tonight after being left on the bench on Sunday
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Post by abwales on Apr 11, 2012 18:55:04 GMT
You can't even compare the Bale situation to the current one with Ramsey. Bale didn't have a double leg break! He was just shit for a while.
Ramsey was a real real real real real talent, and I mean real talent, one of the greatest talents I've ever seen, extremely special. I'd never seen someone so good so young, maybe his performances this season haven't been as bad as I'm making out, but I'm comparing his current performances to what he was doing before the injury, and he was performing much better then despite being younger.
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Post by ontheroadagain on Apr 11, 2012 21:49:37 GMT
Played all 90 minutes. Don't know how he played and not staying up to watch MoTD.
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Post by flynnfan on Apr 11, 2012 22:41:18 GMT
Well, they won 3-0. But presumably if Ramsey hadn't played it would have been 8 or 9....
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Apr 12, 2012 0:07:08 GMT
Played ok from what it shown on MOTD
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Post by abwales on Apr 12, 2012 9:24:25 GMT
I was watching the game until I turned it off cause he had a terrible touch, its so frustrating to watch him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2012 13:46:43 GMT
I was watching the game until I turned it off cause he had a terrible touch, its so frustrating to watch him. What? You turned it off cause of 1 player?  |
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Post by abwales on Apr 12, 2012 16:30:22 GMT
I was watching the game until I turned it off cause he had a terrible touch, its so frustrating to watch him. What? You turned it off cause of 1 player? Well, he was the only reason why I was watching the game, so ye, lol. The game I choose to watch usually depends on how many/which Welsh players are playing just to see how they do! |
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Post by flynnfan on Apr 16, 2012 23:28:45 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2012 7:30:20 GMT
Thought rambo's performance last night was "ok" the kid looks tired,people forget he's only 21.Hopefully wenger will insist he rests in the summer and with wilshere having no come back date for arsenal, wenger will make rambo rest and refuse to let him play for teamgb in the summer!
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Post by welshwizard79 on Apr 17, 2012 16:39:51 GMT
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Post by abwales on Apr 17, 2012 19:10:35 GMT
I do like what Wenger's said, relaxing = goals = good performances!
I think I just have to accept he'll never be the player I thought he would be before the injury - a top top top top top champions league winning European midfielder of the year nominee footballer. I just have to accept he'll be just a 'good' player.
& I also wish people would stop paying attention to gooner fans, I've probably watched more Arsenal games than most of them this season!
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Post by flynnfan on Apr 17, 2012 19:46:11 GMT
If someone from outer Mongolia who previously knew nothing about British football/the EPL had arrived in the UK last summer and had watched every Arsenal and every Spurs game this season, and hadn't read a thing about football in that time, was then asked who is the midfielder supposedely worth 40-50 million pounds, and who is the midfielder generally considered to be having a terrible season: Luka Modric (33 appearances and 4 goals for the team currently 4th in the table, knocked out of the Europa league at the group stage) or Aaron Ramsey (39 appearances and 3 goals for the team currently 3rd in the table, knocked out of the champions league in the round of 16)  ...do you think he'd be confident about his answer? |
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Post by abwales on Apr 17, 2012 20:27:39 GMT
Yes. Its not all about goals or what your team is doing, Modric just oozes quality, his control, his movement, his passing and most other aspects of his game are all in a different league to Ramsey. Modric has a similar goal ratio to last season and top pundits were tipping him for player of the year back then! To compare them in a thread when you're using it to make Ramsey look better is just ridiculous!
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Post by flynnfan on Apr 17, 2012 20:42:58 GMT
Modric just oozes quality, his control, his movement, his passing and most other aspects of his game are all in a different league to Ramsey
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Total bollocks.
Forget goal tallys. Check appearnces and league position and general performances. I've watched a lot of Spurs this season and Modric has been fairly average.
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