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Post by welshiron on Jul 18, 2018 6:49:30 GMT
I personally think he will stay at Arsenal but there is a much better chance of him getting a big move than Joe Allen.
I guarantee he won't be playing in the championship.
He is a much better player than Joe.
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Post by alarch on Jul 18, 2018 9:04:01 GMT
"He is a much better player than Joe."
Bolycs
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Post by welshiron on Jul 18, 2018 10:13:16 GMT
Your bias towards him is embarrassing.
Joe is a good player and does a great job for us but Ramsey is a level above.
Bottom line is Joe couldn't get in a Liverpool team that was striving for top 4. Aaron has been a mainstay of a side that has finished top 4 every season until recently
You only have to look at what he's won and the goals he has scored and how we missed him against Portugal.
Joe missed a lot of the euro qualifying games and we still qualified. Don't think we would of if Ramsey had missed those games.
Time to take off the blinkers, football is not all about possession.
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Post by insertname on Jul 18, 2018 11:24:06 GMT
Your bias towards him is embarrassing. Joe is a good player and does a great job for us but Ramsey is a level above. Bottom line is Joe couldn't get in a Liverpool team that was striving for top 4. Aaron has been a mainstay of a side that has finished top 4 every season until recently You only have to look at what he's won and the goals he has scored and how we missed him against Portugal. Joe missed a lot of the euro qualifying games and we still qualified. Don't think we would of if Ramsey had missed those games. Time to take off the blinkers, football is not all about possession. We missed him against ROI too... |
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Post by cadno on Jul 18, 2018 12:32:09 GMT
Hmmmm. Allen/Ramsey are a bit like Kante/Pogba...
Pogba is a world-class player, and he often makes the difference.
But Kante makes things a lot easier for Pogba and the rest of his team.
I'd argue that France would miss Kante more than Pogba, and maybe we would miss Allen more than Ramsey.
But I love Rambo, we're obviously a lot better when he's in the side.
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Jul 18, 2018 13:01:26 GMT
"He is a much better player than Joe." Bolycs Strange opinion! |
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Post by insertname on Jul 18, 2018 13:28:32 GMT
Hmmmm. Allen/Ramsey are a bit like Kante/Pogba... Pogba is a world-class player, and he often makes the difference. But Kante makes things a lot easier for Pogba and the rest of his team. I'd argue that France would miss Kante more than Pogba, and maybe we would miss Allen more than Ramsey. But I love Rambo, we're obviously a lot better when he's in the side.ย Depends which Ramsey turns up, could have arguably been subbed in the big game at home to ROI with no depreciable loss of quality. In terms of comparing their importance to Wales is it just coincidence that ROI physically assaulted Joe Allen in both fixtures whereas they didn't lay a finger on Ramsey? |
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Jul 18, 2018 13:33:15 GMT
They compliment each other magnificently well Joe and Rambo.
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Post by welshiron on Jul 18, 2018 14:22:32 GMT
Agree with that.
Allen is probably our third or fourth most important player.
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Post by cadno on Jul 18, 2018 14:33:09 GMT
Hmmmm. Allen/Ramsey are a bit like Kante/Pogba... Pogba is a world-class player, and he often makes the difference. But Kante makes things a lot easier for Pogba and the rest of his team. I'd argue that France would miss Kante more than Pogba, and maybe we would miss Allen more than Ramsey. But I love Rambo, we're obviously a lot better when he's in the side. Depends which Ramsey turns up, could have arguably been subbed in the big game at home to ROI with no depreciable loss of quality. In terms of comparing their importance to Wales is it just coincidence that ROI physically assaulted Joe Allen in both fixtures whereas they didn't lay a finger on Ramsey? I agree |
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Post by alarch on Jul 18, 2018 16:20:41 GMT
Your bias towards him is embarrassing. Joe is a good player and does a great job for us but Ramsey is a level above. Bottom line is Joe couldn't get in a Liverpool team that was striving for top 4. Aaron has been a mainstay of a side that has finished top 4 every season until recently You only have to look at what he's won and the goals he has scored and how we missed him against Portugal. Joe missed a lot of the euro qualifying games and we still qualified. Don't think we would of if Ramsey had missed those games. Time to take off the blinkers, football is not all about possession. Had you been content to say that Ramsey was a better player than Allen I would let the comment go - but to say that he's a "much better player" is frankly ridiculous. Cadno's point about Kante/Pogba is well made - in that we're comparing apples and oranges. Ramsey is undoubtedly more technically gifted, but struggles with consistency - hence why he's such a marmite player for Arsenal fans. Allen, on the other hand is Mr Consistency, and rarely has a bad game, and is the metronome of the team. He was our player of the qualification campaign last time out and played a crucial role in the Euro qualifiers. If you look at which games Joe and Aaron missed in those qualifiers: they both missed the Bosnia/Cyprus double-header, where we just about scraped the results we needed. The only games in which Joe was absent when Aaron played were Cyprus away, followed by Israel at home (also the dead-rubber against Andorra). We really struggled in both games of the double-header, and only won the Cyprus game thanks to an isolated moment of brilliance from Bale. The evidence suggests that Joe was every bit, if not more, influential than Aaron in the Euro campaign (not least in the games against Belgium, where the defensive effort was very much to the fore) - and we sorely missed him. The truth is that both Allen and Ramsey are massively important for Wales (as is Bale of course) - and, as has been pointed out earlier, they complement each other. When either or both are absent we suffer. Why not celebrate both - rather than construct a pointless hierarchy? I'm tempted to think you're being a bit of a wum, but, no you genuinely believe this stuff. |
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Post by jbt95 on Jul 18, 2018 18:27:49 GMT
football is not all about possession. If you have the ball, the other team can't score. |
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Post by welshiron on Jul 18, 2018 20:22:04 GMT
No shit Sherlock
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You also can't score if you pass sideways and backwards.
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Post by cadno on Jul 18, 2018 20:25:13 GMT
No shit Sherlock . You also can't score if you pass sideways and backwards. You can keep possession by passing forwards too |
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Post by pendragon on Jul 18, 2018 20:51:58 GMT
football is not all about possession. If you have the ball, the other team can't score. Not necessarily. In several games during the World Cup, the stats showed that the winners had 30 - 45% possession - Uruguay v Portugal and France v Belgium are cases in point.. |
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Post by alarch on Jul 18, 2018 20:59:53 GMT
Counter-attacking football can work for sure. You only have to look at Leicester winning the Premier League to see that. But such instances are the exceptions that prove the rule. The top 6 in the Premier League year after year dominate the possession stats. Possession isn't everything - but it tends to be the bedrock on which success is built. The key is how to translate that possession into goalscoring opportunities.
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Post by pendragon on Jul 18, 2018 21:44:30 GMT
I do agree with you on the whole. And I'd like to see our own side deploy a possession-based attacking style of football rather than the defensive-based strategies. I think they can work over a brief amount of time but sooner or later, they are almost always found out.
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Post by fiveattheback on Jul 19, 2018 15:27:40 GMT
"He is a much better player than Joe." Bolycs I mean, come on... |
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Post by jbt95 on Jul 22, 2018 10:26:55 GMT
If you have the ball, the other team can't score. Not necessarily. In several games during the World Cup, the stats showed that the winners had 30 - 45% possession - Uruguay v Portugal and France v Belgium are cases in point.. If you physically have the ball the other team can't score. Yes possession isn't everything and teams have won games with less than 20% possession. More often than not in football the team with more possession wins the game. |
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Post by welshiron on Jul 22, 2018 10:33:55 GMT
If I was Ramsey I would stay at Arsenal and see how it goes until January and then look at my options.
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Post by manulike on Jul 23, 2018 11:01:49 GMT
If I was Ramsey I would stay at Arsenal and see how it goes until January and then look at my options. Yes. I would like to think the same. However, the fact that the Prem league transfer window closes on 9 August, but that in France/Spain/Italy only closes in the end of August, might also be a factor.
#Aaron.Please.Stay
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Post by pendragon on Jul 24, 2018 7:45:35 GMT
There has been some speculation that Arsenal's pursuit of N'Zonzi and Gomes from Barcelona is tied to the Aaron Ramsey situation. I wonder if they're looking into potential swap deals in the event Aaron doesn't put pen to paper.
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Post by manulike on Jul 24, 2018 20:39:29 GMT
There has been some speculation that Arsenal's pursuit of N'Zonzi and Gomes from Barcelona is tied to the Aaron Ramsey situation. I wonder if they're looking into potential swap deals in the event Aaron doesn't put pen to paper. Even both of them are no decent swap for our Rambo! Barca would need to offer me Gomes AND Coutinho for me to even consider it. I wont be happy about that swap, but I will learn to live with it.
Sometimes, when you really love somebody, you need to learn to let go ;-(
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Post by pendragon on Jul 24, 2018 21:49:08 GMT
There has been some speculation that Arsenal's pursuit of N'Zonzi and Gomes from Barcelona is tied to the Aaron Ramsey situation. I wonder if they're looking into potential swap deals in the event Aaron doesn't put pen to paper. Even both of them are no decent swap for our Rambo! Barca would need to offer me Gomes AND Coutinho for me to even consider it. I wont be happy about that swap, but I will learn to live with it.
Sometimes, when you really love somebody, you need to learn to let go ;-(
๐๐๐ Look at the positives if he does move to a Champions League side... two Welsh players in La Liga (that'll rile TalkSports ๐).... |
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Post by manulike on Jul 25, 2018 22:17:46 GMT
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Post by pendragon on Jul 26, 2018 10:16:03 GMT
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Jul 26, 2018 10:25:59 GMT
There are a load of Arsenal fans who dont rate Rambo. I think they are ultimately crazy and have no idea about football. But im biased. But seriously, Arsenal should build their team around him, and i think Emery would like to, to be honest. |
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Post by pendragon on Jul 26, 2018 10:38:32 GMT
There are a load of Arsenal fans who dont rate Rambo. I think they are ultimately crazy and have no idea about football. But im biased. But seriously, Arsenal should build their team around him, and i think Emery would like to, to be honest. I agree too. Also, it's nice to see some of Arsenal's top brass and players come out in support of him like Cech, Mkhitaryan and Ozil. It has a whiff of the Real Madrid team urging Ronaldo to stay on, as they did after the Champions League (though we know how that turned out) so he's clearly well thought of. The longer this goes on, the less likely I think he is to stay. Lazio are apparently in the frame and it could be a massive opportunity for him, particularly if he were to go on and help them finish in the top four of Serie A. I think that Arsenal will be a poorer team without him though. |
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Jul 26, 2018 10:46:17 GMT
There are a load of Arsenal fans who dont rate Rambo. I think they are ultimately crazy and have no idea about football. But im biased. But seriously, Arsenal should build their team around him, and i think Emery would like to, to be honest. I agree too. It's nice to see some of Arsenal's top brass and players come out in support of him like Cech, Mkhitaryan and Ozil. It has a whiff of Real Madrid's players urging Ronaldo to stay on, as they did after the Champions League, so clearly, he's well thought of. The longer this goes on, the less likely I think he is to stay. Lazio are apparently in the frame and it could be a massive opportunity for him, particularly if he were to go on and help them finish in the top four of Serie A. I think that Arsenal will be a poorer team without him though. Again i may be biased as a welshman but i think Lazio is a step down for him. Arsenal are a huge club, and play in one of the top two leagues in Europe. I appreciate there has been a resurgence in Italy over the last few years, and some of the chasing pack behind Juventus are becoming very strong teams (i.e. Napoli, Roma), the Milan clubs are on their way back, especially with the money at AC Milan (in which they paid off UEFA, to be allowed back into the Europa League). But i think Rambo could do betterm and should aim higher or stay to be honest. Arsenal's future is exciting, they have an excellent manager in Unai Emery. |
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Post by welwyn on Jul 26, 2018 12:14:49 GMT
Lazio would be a bad move now. Last year was their year to make the Champions League. They look a bit like a carcass post a meeting with Hyenas now though.
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