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Post by welshiron on Dec 13, 2016 12:18:29 GMT
Scored 2 goals for Liverpool U23s against Arsenal last night, one of which was a penalty.
I relly believe both him and Woodburn will become regulars for us for the 2020 qualifiers
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Post by manulike on Dec 13, 2016 13:11:12 GMT
Scored 2 goals for Liverpool U23s against Arsenal last night, one of which was a penalty. I relly believe both him and Woodburn will become regulars for us for the 2020 qualifiers Match was played at Anfield - so must have been nice incentive ;-) Harry has played 90 minutes in 10 out of 11 matches. Scored 7 (4 were penalties) and 3 assists. Ben also had 10 apps for U23 this season. Scored 5 plus 5 assists plus one goal in EFL Cup. Think the confidence Klopp now has in Woodburn (on seniors bench for last two games) is very reassuring. Admittedly, he is short on options up front... |
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Post by richierich333 on Dec 14, 2016 10:09:01 GMT
Both need to be in the squad: out go Cotterill and D Edwards. Not going to improve and lacking at int level, therefore why persist like they are somehow magically going to become world beaters?
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Post by manulike on Dec 14, 2016 12:12:45 GMT
Both need to be in the squad: out go Cotterill and D Edwards. Not going to improve and lacking at int level, therefore why persist like they are somehow magically going to become world beaters? I am not saying that Woodburn should not be called up, but certainly only in June and in a friendly. Dave Edwards still has a massive part to play for us in this campaign. Both him and Cotterill play week in and week out at Championship level ... not at U23 level... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 12:28:31 GMT
Picking Harry Wilson based on under 23 football ahead of Marley Watkins would be mad. Same for Woodburn really until he has played more senior football.
How does under 23 football in empty stadiums prepare players for international football? Do Scotland, ROI and N Ire rely on players who play exculsively at under 23 level?
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Post by richierich333 on Dec 14, 2016 13:35:04 GMT
Picking Harry Wilson based on under 23 football ahead of Marley Watkins would be mad. Same for Woodburn really until he has played more senior football. How does under 23 football in empty stadiums prepare players for international football? Do Scotland, ROI and N Ire rely on players who play exculsively at under 23 level? Sorry are u saying the scottish premier is better than premier league II??? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 14:47:53 GMT
Picking Harry Wilson based on under 23 football ahead of Marley Watkins would be mad. Same for Woodburn really until he has played more senior football. How does under 23 football in empty stadiums prepare players for international football? Do Scotland, ROI and N Ire rely on players who play exculsively at under 23 level? Sorry are u saying the scottish premier is better than premier league II??? I'm saying are there any other countries out there of our stature who are relying on players who play in a league that is used to help train youth players and ease back players with long term injuries. From the few games I have seen you can't compare it to competitive league football at all. |
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Post by iot on Dec 14, 2016 15:07:08 GMT
Sorry are u saying the scottish premier is better than premier league II??? I'm saying are there any other countries out there of our stature who are relying on players who play in a league that is used to help train youth players and ease back players with long term injuries. From the few games I have seen you can't compare it to competitive league football at all. Agreed, I don't think we can read anything into u23 performances really. I've read a number of times that it lacks intensity and doesn't come close to competitive football. Until they get a run of games in competitive matches, they shouldn't be considered. Having said that, it would be good to have English hands off Woodburn et al! |
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Post by richierich333 on Dec 14, 2016 15:31:01 GMT
Harry Wilson has already been capped and he has played league football. If he's good enough he needs to come into the squad.
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Post by iot on Dec 14, 2016 15:53:10 GMT
Harry Wilson has already been capped and he has played league football. If he's good enough he needs to come into the squad. His cap was two mins at the end of a game where we had no chance of qualifying, probably just to tie him down. And the league football he's had is a failed loan spell at League 1 Crewe, where I don't think he made a single start and wasn't even used as a sub by the end. No reason at all to disregard him as he's so young, but it would also be shocking to call him up on the basis of that. |
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Post by welshiron on Dec 14, 2016 15:59:08 GMT
If we had a qualifying game next week I would definitely call up Woodburn to the Squad and I would also consider calling Wilson up especially as Bale would be missing
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Post by llannerch on Dec 14, 2016 18:26:40 GMT
Harry Wilson has already been capped and he has played league football. If he's good enough he needs to come into the squad. Those league games you refer to were at Crewe where his move was a flop. It would appear at the moment that he isn't good enough for the level he is aspiring to play at. He doesn't deserve a squad place at the moment. I've queried the merits of u23 football elsewhere, and it appears Neil Warnock is of a similar mind. It is bloated, insular and not competitive enough. He ripped it up at Cardiff and whatever our opinions of Warnock, he knows his way around a football club and probably isn't alone in the professional game to think this. Coleman clearly doesn't rate it either otherwise he'd have picked from it and he resolutely has ignored it. I'm with Cookie |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 21:16:50 GMT
Harry Wilson has already been capped and he has played league football. If he's good enough he needs to come into the squad. Those league games you refer to were at Crewe where his move was a flop. It would appear at the moment that he isn't good enough for the level he is aspiring to play at. He doesn't deserve a squad place at the moment. I've queried the merits of u23 football elsewhere, and it appears Neil Warnock is of a similar mind. It is bloated, insular and not competitive enough. He ripped it up at Cardiff and whatever our opinions of Warnock, he knows his way around a football club and probably isn't alone in the professional game to think this. Coleman clearly doesn't rate it either otherwise he'd have picked from it and he resolutely has ignored it. I'm with Cookie iot hit the nail on the head = 'intensity' I watched the Sunderland v Liverpool game with Woodburn Wilson and Danny Ings making his comeback from injury. There was a reason why Danny Ings was making his return from injury at under 23 level. He could have been loaned out for a few months to league one, but no he went through the under 23 system because it is effectively a glorified stroll. No pressure on the man with the ball, time to think, nobody busting a gut to win the game because the result doesn't matter. Does that sound like international football? How people can think this is a good proving ground for international football honestly beggars belief. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 21:21:45 GMT
Just to add Woodburn might be worth a call up but only if he plays more minutes on the pitch. Harry Wilson based on a good under 23 pedigree and a failed stint at Crewe Alexandra? Do me favour. What would that do to his ego (and the general meritocracy of actually earning a cap) seeing that he can earn himself a call up simply by doing bugger all? Make people deserve their caps.
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Post by manulike on Dec 14, 2016 22:50:31 GMT
Just to add Woodburn might be worth a call up but only if he plays more minutes on the pitch. Harry Wilson based on a good under 23 pedigree and a failed stint at Crewe Alexandra? Do me favour. What would that do to his ego (and the general meritocracy of actually earning a cap) seeing that he can earn himself a call up simply by doing bugger all? Make people deserve their caps. I remember Cookie saying recently very specifically that the Harry Wilson cap was a forced hand due to far too many injuries/absentees - and it probably did the lad a disservice ... i can honestly not see Cookie calling up Woodburn unless both Bale and Church are still out AND he keeps training with the full liverpool squad |
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Post by richierich333 on Dec 15, 2016 8:22:48 GMT
Those league games you refer to were at Crewe where his move was a flop. It would appear at the moment that he isn't good enough for the level he is aspiring to play at. He doesn't deserve a squad place at the moment. I've queried the merits of u23 football elsewhere, and it appears Neil Warnock is of a similar mind. It is bloated, insular and not competitive enough. He ripped it up at Cardiff and whatever our opinions of Warnock, he knows his way around a football club and probably isn't alone in the professional game to think this. Coleman clearly doesn't rate it either otherwise he'd have picked from it and he resolutely has ignored it. I'm with Cookie iot hit the nail on the head = 'intensity' I watched the Sunderland v Liverpool game with Woodburn Wilson and Danny Ings making his comeback from injury. There was a reason why Danny Ings was making his return from injury at under 23 level. He could have been loaned out for a few months to league one, but no he went through the under 23 system because it is effectively a glorified stroll. No pressure on the man with the ball, time to think, nobody busting a gut to win the game because the result doesn't matter. Does that sound like international football? How people can think this is a good proving ground for international football honestly beggars belief. Who said it was a good ground for international football??? I certainly didn't. I was referring to one player (Wilson) who has already been capped. Doesn't matter if it was 2 minutes or 90 minutes, he was in the squad and got on the pitch. Someone referred to calling him up a second time as 'shocking'. Bit heavy, his debut was a 'shock' yes but not a call up in say a friendly when hes 4 yours older and already has a cap now. |
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Post by richierich333 on Dec 15, 2016 8:27:57 GMT
Just to add Woodburn might be worth a call up but only if he plays more minutes on the pitch. Harry Wilson based on a good under 23 pedigree and a failed stint at Crewe Alexandra? Do me favour. What would that do to his ego (and the general meritocracy of actually earning a cap) seeing that he can earn himself a call up simply by doing bugger all? Make people deserve their caps. I remember Cookie saying recently very specifically that the Harry Wilson cap was a forced hand due to far too many injuries/absentees - and it probably did the lad a disservice ... i can honestly not see Cookie calling up Woodburn unless both Bale and Church are still out AND he keeps training with the full liverpool squad Wilson and definitely Woodburn over Church anyday, this loyalty to the 'clique' is getting ridiculous now. He needs to go, nice guy that he is. What do you people see in Church that merits such easy inclusion? He is a striker that doesn't score and thats just the beginning. He also can't play as a 10 or out wide like the others so I'm not sure what he actually brings to the table, except his one-liners. Surely we can get a bona fide stand up to boost morale if that's why hes there. |
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Post by richierich333 on Dec 15, 2016 8:36:59 GMT
Just to add Woodburn might be worth a call up but only if he plays more minutes on the pitch. Harry Wilson based on a good under 23 pedigree and a failed stint at Crewe Alexandra? Do me favour. What would that do to his ego (and the general meritocracy of actually earning a cap) seeing that he can earn himself a call up simply by doing bugger all? Make people deserve their caps. We haven't really got the player pool to do this means tested cap method, meaning that sometimes in friendlies for example we will have to throw a wild card in which sometimes can pay off. A lot will not be good enough but sometimes we have to roll the dice. Not everyone in the squad has previously deserved their call up so I do not know what criteria you could apply that would merit 'earning' your cap. |
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Post by richierich333 on Dec 15, 2016 8:42:34 GMT
Harry Wilson has already been capped and he has played league football. If he's good enough he needs to come into the squad. Those league games you refer to were at Crewe where his move was a flop. It would appear at the moment that he isn't good enough for the level he is aspiring to play at. He doesn't deserve a squad place at the moment. I've queried the merits of u23 football elsewhere, and it appears Neil Warnock is of a similar mind. It is bloated, insular and not competitive enough. He ripped it up at Cardiff and whatever our opinions of Warnock, he knows his way around a football club and probably isn't alone in the professional game to think this. Coleman clearly doesn't rate it either otherwise he'd have picked from it and he resolutely has ignored it. I'm with Cookie Yes I agree with Warnock on the Cardiff U23 side. Too many players stalling at around the 19/20 year old mark did not improve, got to 23 and were never going to really make it. Shame that some of the promising youngsters like Tommy O Sullivan were let down it seems. He made it clear that the system had failed them from what I got when I read his interview on this. He spoke to them individually and told them that it was nothing personal and that this was their final chance to go and look for another club. |
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Post by welshiron on Dec 15, 2016 10:52:02 GMT
Just to add Woodburn might be worth a call up but only if he plays more minutes on the pitch. Harry Wilson based on a good under 23 pedigree and a failed stint at Crewe Alexandra? Do me favour. What would that do to his ego (and the general meritocracy of actually earning a cap) seeing that he can earn himself a call up simply by doing bugger all? Make people deserve their caps. Totally riduculous when we have Tom Bradshaw to call up after scoring 3 championship goals this season |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 11:15:37 GMT
Just to add Woodburn might be worth a call up but only if he plays more minutes on the pitch. Harry Wilson based on a good under 23 pedigree and a failed stint at Crewe Alexandra? Do me favour. What would that do to his ego (and the general meritocracy of actually earning a cap) seeing that he can earn himself a call up simply by doing bugger all? Make people deserve their caps. Totally riduculous when we have Tom Bradshaw to call up after scoring 3 championship goals this season Noce try  |
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Post by llannerch on Dec 15, 2016 13:19:25 GMT
Those league games you refer to were at Crewe where his move was a flop. It would appear at the moment that he isn't good enough for the level he is aspiring to play at. He doesn't deserve a squad place at the moment. I've queried the merits of u23 football elsewhere, and it appears Neil Warnock is of a similar mind. It is bloated, insular and not competitive enough. He ripped it up at Cardiff and whatever our opinions of Warnock, he knows his way around a football club and probably isn't alone in the professional game to think this. Coleman clearly doesn't rate it either otherwise he'd have picked from it and he resolutely has ignored it. I'm with Cookie Yes I agree with Warnock on the Cardiff U23 side. Too many players stalling at around the 19/20 year old mark did not improve, got to 23 and were never going to really make it. Shame that some of the promising youngsters like Tommy O Sullivan were let down it seems. He made it clear that the system had failed them from what I got when I read his interview on this. He spoke to them individually and told them that it was nothing personal and that this was their final chance to go and look for another club. As an aside, I think Warnock has handled that really well based on what was in the press |
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Post by biwmares on Dec 30, 2016 10:03:03 GMT
Bangor are playing Liverpool under 23's at home on Wednesday January 4th 2017 in a friendly, im sure Wilson, Williams and possibly Woodburn may be involved.
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Post by manulike on Dec 30, 2016 21:13:09 GMT
Bangor are playing Liverpool under 23's at home on Wednesday January 4th 2017 in a friendly, im sure Wilson, Williams and possibly Woodburn may be involved. Thanks for the heads up. With the first team's schedule, I can only imagine Woodburn been relegated to the U23 after 7 January at the earliest. They need his versatility on the bench as a 2nd option backup sub striker/winger/midfielder. Sadly, I can't see him actually playing though, unless there are two more injuries in the team... |
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Post by biwmares on Dec 30, 2016 23:45:45 GMT
Bangor are playing Liverpool under 23's at home on Wednesday January 4th 2017 in a friendly, im sure Wilson, Williams and possibly Woodburn may be involved. Thanks for the heads up. With the first team's schedule, I can only imagine Woodburn been relegated to the U23 after 7 January at the earliest. They need his versatility on the bench as a 2nd option backup sub striker/winger/midfielder. Sadly, I can't see him actually playing though, unless there are two more injuries in the team... He might stay in the first team squad longer as Sadio Mane is off to the African nations cup? |
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Post by manulike on Dec 30, 2016 23:49:51 GMT
Think we need Sturridge and one of Firmino or Origi to also pick up an injury and then he will be glued on first team starter ;-)
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Post by biwmares on Dec 30, 2016 23:54:22 GMT
Think we need Sturridge and one of Firmino or Origi to also pick up an injury and then he will be glued on first team starter ;-) Sturridge will be injured again soon, he always is.  |
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Post by manulike on Dec 31, 2016 19:40:08 GMT
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Post by manulike on Jan 4, 2017 22:48:07 GMT
Harry got another two goals yesterday in the U23. Woodburn didn't play, despite not being named in the senior's Tuesday match. Ben might actually get playing time in the FA Cup v Plymouth (Sunday) or in EFL Cup v Southampton on Wednesday?
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Post by biwmares on Jan 5, 2017 0:40:23 GMT
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