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Post by alarch on Mar 19, 2014 11:20:06 GMT
I agree. The point is with Vaughan in particular we know what we're going to get, and it isn't going to get any better. King might still improve, but I doubt it. In Collison's case there are reasons which may no longer apply as to why he has failed to fully deliver on his early promise. The biggest question mark is over his fitness, but at least in playing for a more cultured team like Wigan he may well have a proper chance to show his footballing ability.
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Post by ontheroadagain on Mar 19, 2014 12:24:35 GMT
Wigan have a fixture backlog so he could be getting a lot of game time.
How they could have don't with him last night. 5 goals in the last 10 minutes of their game last night in the 3-3 draw.
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Post by Tim P on Mar 19, 2014 21:20:18 GMT
And abwales, why talk about Collison in the past tense? From what I've read, he can't train in the week. That's pretty much game over as far as a top level career is concerned. Still, I guess there's always hope? |
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Post by alarch on Mar 20, 2014 9:44:19 GMT
Think Paul McGrath and Ledley King. Their injuries didn't stop them having successful top-flight careers. OK Collison has much to prove, fitness and performance wise, but let's be optimistic. I don't like it when people all too readily write players off. You think lessons would have been learnt with Ramsey, but obviously not...
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Post by jamaro on May 23, 2014 15:44:05 GMT
Collison has been given a free transfer by WHU
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Post by welshwizard79 on May 23, 2014 16:23:27 GMT
Collison has been given a free transfer by WHU Hopefully get a decent club and some game time. |
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Post by alarch on May 23, 2014 19:46:38 GMT
It would be a bit of a gamble, but I'd like to see Swansea give him a 1 year contract, and see what he can do in an environment that is better suited to his skill set. When he was coming through with the U21s he was being talked about in the same vein as Ramsey and Allen, so he clearly has talent. The big question mark is over that knee injury.
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Post by hookd on May 23, 2014 20:56:09 GMT
Such a shame. Always seemed a really nice lad. Was the third best in my view behind Ramsey and Bale but ahead of Allen in the U21s and was a regular in the premiership at a young age but stayed loyal to us. Then the poor guy lost his dad in tragic circumstances, he was on a motorbike on his way to watch him play, and got that serious knee injury in a short period of time. He always turned up for us but has more reason than anyone else to quit Wales in order to salvage his career given his chronic injury.
I wish the best to the lad and hope everyone tweets him a good luck message!
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Post by welshwizard79 on May 24, 2014 11:27:55 GMT
Jack Collison is in Cardiff today for talks I've heard.
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Post by dai on May 28, 2014 12:43:20 GMT
Pulled out of the friendly. Not going to be missed imo, has been off the pace in every game he's played in the past couple years.
Who would you replace him with? David Edwards worth a call up? Crofts? Cotterill?
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Post by welshwizard79 on May 28, 2014 13:50:44 GMT
Id call up and have a look at Gwion Edwards. Looked decent last week.
If not Dave Edwards had a good season so worth a call up.
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Post by pearcey149 on May 28, 2014 14:22:59 GMT
Pulled out of the friendly. Not going to be missed imo, has been off the pace in every game he's played in the past couple years. Who would you replace him with? David Edwards worth a call up? Crofts? Cotterill? Definitely not going to be missed, when he does sometimes turn up, when he's not inured, he adds nothing. Doesn't seem to have a best position, has no pace and little skill level above the basic control and pass. Literally called up for 'versatility' and because he plays for West Ham, when he's not out on loan at Championship sides. Anyway, I don't like him. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 15:34:20 GMT
Such a shame. Always seemed a really nice lad. Was the third best in my view behind Ramsey and Bale but ahead of Allen in the U21s and was a regular in the premiership at a young age but stayed loyal to us. Then the poor guy lost his dad in tragic circumstances, he was on a motorbike on his way to watch him play, and got that serious knee injury in a short period of time. He always turned up for us but has more reason than anyone else to quit Wales in order to salvage his career given his chronic injury. I wish the best to the lad and hope everyone tweets him a good luck message! The comments above are much classier than the previous post and I agree with the above entirely. Collison was probably the most exciting coup when it came to attracting the anglo-welsh and the lad has had terrible luck. I always looked forward to Ramsey, Allen and Collison playing together at senior level. Christ we, and he, have had some shit luck. |
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Post by dai on May 28, 2014 15:53:17 GMT
Such a shame. Always seemed a really nice lad. Was the third best in my view behind Ramsey and Bale but ahead of Allen in the U21s and was a regular in the premiership at a young age but stayed loyal to us. Then the poor guy lost his dad in tragic circumstances, he was on a motorbike on his way to watch him play, and got that serious knee injury in a short period of time. He always turned up for us but has more reason than anyone else to quit Wales in order to salvage his career given his chronic injury. I wish the best to the lad and hope everyone tweets him a good luck message! The comments above are much classier than the previous post and I agree with the above entirely. Collison was probably the most exciting coup when it came to attracting the anglo-welsh and the lad has had terrible luck. I always looked forward to Ramsey, Allen and Collison playing together at senior level. Christ we, and he, have had some shit luck. He was looking like a real class act around 3 years ago. I did write last year that we probably won't see the best of him again, sad really. Some people argued that he was going to do a Ramsey, and still come good, but his injuries are extremely chronic. It would be amazing for him if he got back to a decent fitness level, but can't see it happening. |
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Post by alarch on May 28, 2014 18:51:28 GMT
Of course you might be right in your predictions Dai, but even if you had some medical expertise, and had specific knowledge of Collison's injury and prognosis, why speculate on his future? If his injury eventually proves to be instrumental in him being unable to deliver on his early promise then so be it, but until then he deserves our unstinting support. What he needs above all else is regular game time with a footballing side, both of which were denied him under Allardyce. Then we will be able to see whether he can make a useful contribution to the Welsh cause. I'm definitely not writing him off.
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Post by ontheroadagain on May 28, 2014 19:16:36 GMT
Of course you might be right in your predictions Dai, but even if you had some medical expertise, and had specific knowledge of Collison's injury and prognosis, why speculate on his future? If his injury eventually proves to be instrumental in him being unable to deliver on his early promise then so be it, but until then he deserves our unstinting support. What he needs above all else is regular game time with a footballing side, both of which were denied him under Allardyce. Then we will be able to see whether he can make a useful contribution to the Welsh cause. I'm definitely not writing him off. I agree with alarch on this. Let's be positive for Collison. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 19:57:10 GMT
Good player
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Post by welshwizard79 on May 31, 2014 11:30:38 GMT
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Post by hookd on May 31, 2014 12:43:55 GMT
That's the measure of the man - he's a class act. He has obviously been managed out of the club, but has only good things to say and respect for the club and fans. If there is one person in the whole Welsh set up I would wish luck to it would be him. I hope he can reignite his career. He would have been the third best player in the Welsh team in my opinion if he hadn't picked up such a chronic knee injury, especially given his attitude. Indeed, I remember Arsenal were reported to be looking at him at one time. Unfortunately, given the position he would seem best suited to, it is hard to see him being able to advance as a player, given the injury problems. Indeed, given the nature of the injury, I am not sure many clubs will take a risk on him and the further down the leagues he goes, the lower the standard of medical care. |
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Post by bale-droed on May 31, 2014 12:47:40 GMT
He's a good player and He is great to have in our squad or certainly any championship squad if not higher. The problem is for Wales fans is we thought he was supposed to be a lot better and due to his injuries he cannot achieve this so to some he looks worse than he is. He's still a good player,playing at a high level maybe not a starting 11 for us but a good cover and can do a job from the subs bench for 30 minutes and you never know he could adapt to his injuries or they could improve with some genius doctor.
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Post by welshiron on May 31, 2014 14:39:46 GMT
I expect Jack to go to a top end championship club and with good management of his injuty could play a vital role in our qualifiers.
He is good on the ball and chips in with goals as Cardiff fans will remember from the play offs
Sad that injuries will stop him acheiving his full potential but a very good player and a decent bloke too
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Post by ontheroadagain on May 31, 2014 15:29:38 GMT
What a fantastic read!
A career in the media beckons after that piece.
Good luck to Collison in finding a club.
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Post by fred on Jul 8, 2014 19:28:06 GMT
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Post by ontheroadagain on Jul 8, 2014 22:21:07 GMT
i wish him well in finding a club and being a regular first team player.
We need strength in depth.
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Post by abwales on Jul 8, 2014 22:31:52 GMT
Can't believe he's only 25, hopefully he finds a club, gets a good run of games, impresses and gets in the squad.
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Post by Tim P on Jul 12, 2014 9:39:08 GMT
It's a little surprising (or is it?) that he's still without a club at this stage. You have to wonder who he's going to end up with, and what role they have in mind for him. Surely clubs would have known for months that he would be available on a free, so anyone seeing him as a key part of their project would have signed him up by now.
Hope I'm wrong.
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Post by flynnfan on Jul 12, 2014 14:08:27 GMT
It's a little surprising (or is it?) that he's still without a club at this stage. You have to wonder who he's going to end up with, and what role they have in mind for him. Surely clubs would have known for months that he would be available on a free, so anyone seeing him as a key part of their project would have signed him up by now. Hope I'm wrong. I would imagine that clubs have probably offered him some pay as you play type deals, which (judging by the tone of that interview) he may have rejected because he doesn't seem to think there are any fitness issues. I hope he's right but it comes across as perhaps a wee bit deluded. He may have to lower his contract sights... |
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Post by bale-droed on Jul 12, 2014 15:37:55 GMT
As a free agent and Blackpool only having 8 senior players I think Jack will end up there getting his wish of a weekly contract
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Post by ontheroadagain on Jul 12, 2014 19:27:00 GMT
As a free agent and Blackpool only having 8 senior players I think Jack will end up there getting his wish of a weekly contract Wouldn't trust their owners, they have taken the Premiership money and run. Still it would put Collison in the shop window provided he did not take a long term contract! |
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Post by bale-droed on Jul 13, 2014 12:15:02 GMT
As a free agent and Blackpool only having 8 senior players I think Jack will end up there getting his wish of a weekly contract Wouldn't trust their owners, they have taken the Premiership money and run. Still it would put Collison in the shop window provided he did not take a long term contract! Whatever you think about the owners 2 year contract reg champ football why not. Shame it's not a prem team This goes back to another forum and playing abroad Surely he could play Dynamo Moscow,Malaga or Braga which i'd prefer. |
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