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Post by BA Baracus on Jul 20, 2015 9:43:45 GMT
Im sure someone said previously it was due to the poor playing surface (pitch) why games are not considered at Wrexham? But it will be one excuse after another & unless the SWAG come up with funding ground improvements it will never happen. The present owners Glyndwr university suffered a £4m deficit 2012-2013 and are closely monitored by the Higher Education Funding Council for Wales so cannot see them improving the ground. Out of interest, why do you think the WAG needs to stump up with the cash rather than the FAW? |
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Post by biwmares on Jul 20, 2015 9:52:06 GMT
Wasn't the ground at Llanelli like Swansea funded by the local council?
Its a pity Wrexham council are not funded so extravagantly by the SWAG as some of these local authorities in the south Cardiff council even got Glamorgan out of financial trouble.
North / South divide exists in Wales in funding.
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Post by biwmares on Jul 20, 2015 10:00:30 GMT
Im sure someone said previously it was due to the poor playing surface (pitch) why games are not considered at Wrexham? But it will be one excuse after another & unless the SWAG come up with funding ground improvements it will never happen. The present owners Glyndwr university suffered a £4m deficit 2012-2013 and are closely monitored by the Higher Education Funding Council for Wales so cannot see them improving the ground. Out of interest, why do you think the WAG needs to stump up with the cash rather than the FAW? Don't think the FAW has that amount of avaliable money to invest in such a large project. |
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Post by alarch on Jul 20, 2015 10:06:36 GMT
There's nothing stopping Wrexham councillors spending money they don't have on sporting venues, like their counterparts in the south. Perhaps they have a bit more sense...
Having said that, the Liberty was largely paid for by the developers of the adjacent Morfa Retail Park. Perhaps this is the way to go with the Racecourse.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jul 20, 2015 10:20:16 GMT
There's nothing stopping Wrexham councillors spending money they don't have on sporting venues, like their counterparts in the south. Perhaps they have a bit more sense... Having said that, the Liberty was largely paid for by the developers of the adjacent Morfa Retail Park. Perhaps this is the way to go with the Racecourse. Not possible I'm afraid, not while the land behind the Kop is currently owned by previous owners of the club, Geoff Moss and Ian Roberts, though they are looking to sell. I don't think there's enough room behind there anyway for a retail park with the railway line. Before Glyndwr hit financial trouble, everything looked rather rosy with their plans to develop the Eric Roberts Stand to include teaching facilities for the Uni as well as developing the Kop but that appears to have come to a standstill. It is all slightly worrying, as the University may become forced to sell or even give away the ground when it becomes too expensive to upkeep. There's also been rumours that they haven't kept our training facility (which Glyndwr also owns) up to a playable standard either, forcing Wrexham to train at a different complex in Cheshire. If they look to sell the ground, I feel that Wrexham FC will have to look into buying it as we shouldn't risk letting it fall into the wrong hands. This'll give us a better chance at obtaining grants to keep the ground maintained at the very least but I wouldn't hold my breath at us getting anything out of the council. Unless Glyndwr have a large turnaround, I can't see any developments of the ground happening soon, meaning we won't see any Internationals up here in the near future. |
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Post by BA Baracus on Jul 20, 2015 10:25:10 GMT
Different times now ain't it. Neither WAG, Wrexham Council nor Glyndwr uni could justify the outlay these days. The FAW, on the other hand, may have some cash coming their way if we qualify for Euro 2016!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2015 10:35:51 GMT
as for the faw making excuses not to play on Wrexham it's simply not true there was an fsf/faw meeting in march where members of the Wrexham trust were at,and the members of the the Wrexham trust agreed the racecourse pitch is not good enough!
Coleman went to watch Wrexham just before the Iceland game was announced with a view to holding that game in Wrexham but he said the pitch was not good enough to play on!!!Anyone who was at that meeting or corcky on here will tell that's exactly what was said!
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jul 20, 2015 10:39:40 GMT
Different times now ain't it. Neither WAG, Wrexham Council nor Glyndwr uni could justify the outlay these days. The FAW, on the other hand, may have some cash coming their way if we qualify for Euro 2016! Speaking as a Wrexham fan, I'd prefer to see this going into grass roots football and cementing Wales's status in world football. If there's some money left over, a new kop wouldn't go amiss  |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jul 20, 2015 10:41:22 GMT
as for the faw making excuses not to play on Wrexham it's simply not true there was an fsf/faw meeting in march where members of the Wrexham trust were at,and the members of the the Wrexham trust agreed the racecourse pitch is not good enough! Coleman went to watch Wrexham just before the Iceland game was announced with a view to holding that game in Wrexham but he said the pitch was not good enough to play on!!!Anyone who was at that meeting or corcky on here will tell that's exactly what was said! We were making a joke buddy. Simmer. The pitch was hardly good enough to play conference football on last season. |
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Post by dayoo87 on Jul 20, 2015 10:44:05 GMT
Wasn't the ground at Llanelli like Swansea funded by the local council? Its a pity Wrexham council are not funded so extravagantly by the SWAG as some of these local authorities in the south Cardiff council even got Glamorgan out of financial trouble. North / South divide exists in Wales in funding. Any objective evidence to support you bitterness? It doesn't necessarily follow that because local authorities in the south are assisting in the development of stadia for their local sports teams (and presumably recovering are large amount, if not all, of their outlay through rent/sponsorship/revenue from nearby developments) that they receive disproportionately greater funding than the local authorities in the north. It probably makes more sense for the southern local authorities to risk part-funding these sorts of projects because they are likely to see a good return on their outlay with the team(s) using the stadia playing at a high standard (assuming we consider the Pro12 a high standard) and the local economy reaping the benefits. I guess there is a risk for Wrexham council that they could spend taxpayers' money on infrastructure for a team in the 5th tier. With EPL football less than an hour away, would Wrexham FC generate the sort of revenue to avoid Wrexham Council making a loss on their investment? I would say probably not, which is why they choose not to. |
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Post by ch7 on Jul 20, 2015 10:54:48 GMT
Wasn't the ground at Llanelli like Swansea funded by the local council? Its a pity Wrexham council are not funded so extravagantly by the SWAG as some of these local authorities in the south Cardiff council even got Glamorgan out of financial trouble. North / South divide exists in Wales in funding. Any objective evidence to support you bitterness? It doesn't necessarily follow that because local authorities in the south are assisting in the development of stadia for their local sports teams (and presumably recovering are large amount, if not all, of their outlay through rent/sponsorship/revenue from nearby developments) that they receive disproportionately greater funding than the local authorities in the north. It probably makes more sense for the southern local authorities to risk part-funding these sorts of projects because they are likely to see a good return on their outlay with the team(s) using the stadia playing at a high standard (assuming we consider the Pro12 a high standard) and the local economy reaping the benefits. I guess there is a risk for Wrexham council that they could spend taxpayers' money on infrastructure for a team in the 5th tier. With EPL football less than an hour away, would Wrexham FC generate the sort of revenue to avoid Wrexham Council making a loss on their investment? I would say probably not, which is why they choose not to. What a load of garbage. Swansea were in L2 when the Liberty was planned, when the original ownership issue started with the Wrexham we were in League 1 |
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Post by georgetm1 on Jul 20, 2015 13:13:19 GMT
As a North Walian, this moaning about the north south divide is bollocks. We have to remember where most of the Welsh population reside (in the south by a large margin) so of course more money is going to go where the people are. Plus I read that the WAG is going to help pay for a cruise ship port in Holyhead, which in turn will bring more investment into our part of the country.
If you want to complain, then complain about how the whole of Wales and the rest of the UK is subsidising London while getting shit all in return, apart from propaganda, our wealth being sucked dry and then being told we can't survive without those cunts.
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Post by liamburke on Jul 20, 2015 13:30:38 GMT
As a North Walian, this moaning about the north south divide is bollocks. We have to remember where most of the Welsh population reside (in the south by a large margin) so of course more money is going to go where the people are. Plus I read that the WAG is going to help pay for a cruise ship port in Holyhead, which in turn will bring more investment into our part of the country. If you want to complain, then complain about how the whole of Wales and the rest of the UK is subsidising London while getting shit all in return, apart from propaganda, our wealth being sucked dry and then being told we can't survive without those cunts. You'd think by some of these comments that Llanelli and south western Wales were thriving powerhouses... |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jul 20, 2015 13:46:36 GMT
If you want to complain, then complain about how the whole of Wales and the rest of the UK is subsidising London while getting shit all in return, apart from propaganda, our wealth being sucked dry and then being told we can't survive without those cunts. We have to remember where a third of the British population reside (in London) so of course more money is going to go where the people are. Thought I'd use your quote rather than draft a new one myself. |
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Post by toshfan on Jul 20, 2015 14:00:06 GMT
As a North Walian, this moaning about the north south divide is bollocks. We have to remember where most of the Welsh population reside (in the south by a large margin) so of course more money is going to go where the people are. Plus I read that the WAG is going to help pay for a cruise ship port in Holyhead, which in turn will bring more investment into our part of the country. If you want to complain, then complain about how the whole of Wales and the rest of the UK is subsidising London while getting shit all in return, apart from propaganda, our wealth being sucked dry and then being told we can't survive without those cunts. I thought that your first paragraph was Dafydd Elis Thomas like. Shame about your second para though  What I have learnt is that claims of bias towards regions/countries/areas within counties etc is never as straight forward as is claimed. |
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Post by liamburke on Jul 20, 2015 14:38:24 GMT
As a North Walian, this moaning about the north south divide is bollocks. We have to remember where most of the Welsh population reside (in the south by a large margin) so of course more money is going to go where the people are. Plus I read that the WAG is going to help pay for a cruise ship port in Holyhead, which in turn will bring more investment into our part of the country. If you want to complain, then complain about how the whole of Wales and the rest of the UK is subsidising London while getting shit all in return, apart from propaganda, our wealth being sucked dry and then being told we can't survive without those cunts. I thought that your first paragraph was Dafydd Elis Thomas like. Shame about your second para though What I have learnt is that claims of bias towards regions/countries/areas within counties etc is never as straight forward as is claimed. For starters, there is huge amount of poverty in the south east, albeit that is also where most of the wealth is also concentrated... Just no redistribution. You could argue there is more infrastructure down there I suppose. |
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Post by toshfan on Jul 20, 2015 14:53:26 GMT
I thought that your first paragraph was Dafydd Elis Thomas like. Shame about your second para though What I have learnt is that claims of bias towards regions/countries/areas within counties etc is never as straight forward as is claimed. For starters, there is huge amount of poverty in the south east, albeit that is also where most of the wealth is also concentrated... Just no redistribution. You could argue there is more infrastructure down there I suppose. Indeed, listening to some of those who use the term "London Parties", you would think that London was one big Mayfair. I think that any accountant would look at the books and say that there is a major amount of distribution in the UK and I would concur but I would also accept that with London being such an economic hub and having such a population mass (making any business case for more infrastructure easier), it is not entirely as straight forward as figures would indicate. |
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Post by E17 on Jul 20, 2015 15:55:27 GMT
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Post by jbt95 on Jul 20, 2015 20:44:42 GMT
If you want to complain, then complain about how the whole of Wales and the rest of the UK is subsidising London while getting shit all in return, apart from propaganda, our wealth being sucked dry and then being told we can't survive without those cunts. We have to remember where a third of the British population reside (in London) so of course more money is going to go where the people are. Thought I'd use your quote rather than draft a new one myself. Wa? A third of Britain in London? 8M in London, 65M they reckon now in Britain. That's not even an eighth. |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jul 20, 2015 21:03:13 GMT
Fair. I should have specified, in and around London.
I wasn't being wholly serious there anyway.
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Post by BA Baracus on Jul 21, 2015 7:30:50 GMT
Shame she decided to back the Team GB football team plans. |
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Post by llannerch on Jul 21, 2015 12:23:35 GMT
Im sure someone said previously it was due to the poor playing surface (pitch) why games are not considered at Wrexham? But it will be one excuse after another & unless the SWAG come up with funding ground improvements it will never happen. The present owners Glyndwr university suffered a £4m deficit 2012-2013 and are closely monitored by the Higher Education Funding Council for Wales so cannot see them improving the ground. That was me. I asked at the last FSF meeting and the pitch was the reason given. I must admit, it did seem to me that if the pitch was up to scratch there would of been another excuse. Which is a massive shame as the FAW are happy to go to Llanelli but not North! *cough* Millennium Stadium pitch *cough* |
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Post by ae15 on Jul 21, 2015 13:05:20 GMT
That was me. I asked at the last FSF meeting and the pitch was the reason given. I must admit, it did seem to me that if the pitch was up to scratch there would of been another excuse. Which is a massive shame as the FAW are happy to go to Llanelli but not North! *cough* Millennium Stadium pitch *cough* It was terrible before but they've got that new Desso stuff now so it's a lot better. |
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Post by bale-droed on Sept 8, 2015 6:38:02 GMT
Looks like the second old thread i'm bringing up today...Sorry about that but a genuine curiosity
I'm not saying a competetive game in the next campaign should be played there......BUT why is this ground not good enough when first choice stadiums in Luxembourg,Faroe Islands,San marino,Liechtenstein,Lithuania even the second choice stadium in Moldova... Seems a bit harsh.
I do think the Under 21's should be at the racecourse more...Or is it the same rules as seniors? maybe even play the under 19's in Bangor?
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Post by arfonprinceofwales on Nov 3, 2015 22:12:25 GMT
Can't describe how happy I am at seeing the U21s are playing a qualifying game v Romania at the home of Welsh football, the Cae Ras Wrecsam.
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Post by scoop76 on Nov 3, 2015 23:25:45 GMT
It's only the Euro 2015 campaign that The Racecourse wasn't used for the Under 21s.
Euro 2013: All 4 home qualifying matches were played at the Racecourse.
Euro 2011: The Racecourse was the only venue to host 2 qualifying games.
Euro 2009: 3 of the 4 group games were played at The Racecourse, including the game against Romania.
I make it 9 of the last 18 Wales home Under 21 qualifiers have been played in Wrexham.
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Post by alternativewales on Nov 3, 2015 23:37:06 GMT
Can't describe how happy I am at seeing the U21s are playing a qualifying game v Romania at the home of Welsh football, the Cae Ras Wrecsam. Enjoy the game Arfon! |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Nov 4, 2015 9:45:17 GMT
It's only the Euro 2015 campaign that The Racecourse wasn't used for the Under 21s. Euro 2013: All 4 home qualifying matches were played at the Racecourse. Euro 2011: The Racecourse was the only venue to host 2 qualifying games. Euro 2009: 3 of the 4 group games were played at The Racecourse, including the game against Romania. I make it 9 of the last 18 Wales home Under 21 qualifiers have been played in Wrexham. Cool.. |
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Post by flynnfan on Nov 4, 2015 13:43:49 GMT
Thats great but it's been nearly 8 years since a senior game in Wrexham.
Too long. Soemthing needs to be done about this.
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Post by arfonprinceofwales on Nov 4, 2015 14:49:45 GMT
Thats great but it's been nearly 8 years since a senior game in Wrexham. Too long. Soemthing needs to be done about this. Think that's a long way off, even for a friendly. Rumours abound that Glyndwr Uni are looking to offload the stadium in a deal that'll suit all parties. (Them and the club) Only then will grants be chased up to upgrade the old lady. |
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