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Post by georgetm1 on Jan 9, 2011 21:03:40 GMT
I said our players should try playing abroad and Scotland isn't abroad the same way England isn't classed as abroad.
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Post by squatter1 on Jan 13, 2011 0:30:16 GMT
Ledley hauled off for Freddie Ljungberg tonight. Not a compliment for Joe.
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Post by squatter1 on Mar 20, 2011 17:32:55 GMT
Just been watching the Old Firm derby. Good to see Ledley score.
But Vaughan must get the nod over Ledley on Saturday. The standard of the SPL is shocking. The Old Firm are championship standard at best. And Joe Ledley looks like an average player in an average team. It's hard to pick between Ledley and Vaughan - neither is head and shoulders above the other. But one thing is abundantly clear - Vaughan is playing week in week out against a MUCH higher standard of opposition. Ledley will be in danger of being totally left behind with the step up in standard on Sat.
Vaughan to start in def mid. Ramsey and King to take on creative/attacking duties.
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Post by flynnfan on Mar 20, 2011 17:36:40 GMT
Ledley every day of the week. He's twice the player Vaughan is.
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Post by ericyoung on Mar 20, 2011 17:37:04 GMT
Allen.
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Post by youngdragon on Mar 20, 2011 17:38:27 GMT
I like both. Ledley would get the nod from me becuase he is more experianced at this level and has more leadership qualities.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2011 18:15:18 GMT
Would definitely start with Ledley, Vaughan is too lightweight for the midfield battle.
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Post by flynnfan on Mar 20, 2011 18:24:10 GMT
Ledley also has a good understanding with Rambo, which is a factor which shouldn't be ignored.
Also, before completely slagging the standard of Scottish football squatter (and I know what you're getting at cos I watched some of the CIS final earlier too) you should bear in mind that Rangers did just reach the last 16 of the Europa league. So basically, they got as far as Manchester City and Liverpool did. How many championship teams would get that far in the Europa league?!
Anyway, despite Celtic losing, that's 3 goals in the last 2 games for Ledley so he should go into Saturdays game full of confidence.
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Mar 20, 2011 18:50:54 GMT
Its not between ledley and vaughan its between vaughan and king lads and i belive king will start
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Post by squatter1 on Mar 20, 2011 18:57:12 GMT
It so IS between Ledley and Vaughan (or at least it should be). Vaughan and Ledley play defensive midfield for their clubs. They should play that way for us too. King plays attacking midfield for his club. He should play that way for us too.
Havent we been through this already?
To be honest regarding Ledley - other than the Scotland game, has he ever played really well for us? Seriously?
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Mar 20, 2011 19:01:24 GMT
A ledley hater i see 'yawn' we need his energy and workrate, and its not between vaughan and ledley at all ramsey and ledley will play together in the centre of midfield with king just ahead of them supporting morrison!
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Post by squatter1 on Mar 20, 2011 19:22:41 GMT
Seriously, I'm not a Ledley hater at all. In fact once upon a time I was always going on about him to my English mates.
But then he seemed to go off the boil at Cardiff.
And then no Premiership club actually came in for him.
And then he left to a league inferior to the one he was already playing in.
And then I wondered when the performances were gonna come in the national shirt.
And then I watched the CIS cup final this arvo, and didnt see much that made me think I'd want him in my side, other than some positional discipline and good reactions to glance a header in for a goal. I mean honestly, he didnt play a single penetrating pass in the whole match. Ring a bell for any of his Wales performances?
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Post by flynnfan on Mar 20, 2011 19:45:01 GMT
Hows about this for a penetrating pass squatter?: www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRVPaA85kqothats the type of thing I'd like to see him do for Wales- break up opposition play with good positioning and then get the dangerous attackers away. I honestly thought he was Celtics best player this afternoon- disciplined, composed, didn't hoof it. Celtic's strikers- Samaras and Hooper- were the real disappointments.
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Mar 20, 2011 19:54:40 GMT
Fuck me what a pass!!! yessssssssssssssssss haha.
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Post by squatter1 on Mar 20, 2011 20:26:27 GMT
Fair play, great pass.
I was talking about this afternoon, tho.
Look, if he plays for us and does well, then sweet. But Vaughan has gotta be ahead in the pecking order in my book, as per reasons above.
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Post by youngdragon on Mar 20, 2011 20:38:58 GMT
Don't you think picking players just becuase of thier club is abit.... well ....english?
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Post by flynnfan on Mar 20, 2011 21:13:05 GMT
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Post by rushlegend on Mar 20, 2011 21:14:41 GMT
Not much between them really, i would start with Ledley and if he is not performing then bring Vaughany on.
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Post by marsvolta on Mar 20, 2011 22:30:52 GMT
Not much between them really, i would start with Ledley and if he is not performing then bring Vaughany on. i agree with this,ledley just has the edge and seems to be finding his form.also has more international experience
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Post by zakbaby on Mar 21, 2011 10:25:33 GMT
i'd start with both.We'll def be doing a lot of defending and need to be solid.If we play 3 in the middle we've already got ramsey as the attacking option and cant be too gung ho early on. experince will also be a major factor in this game and both have plenty of that,especially if its all square late in the game.We cant afford for any of the youngsters to get the jitters.king is a great prospect who is in form and might be best used as a sub against tired english legs late on,especially if we need a goal.at least we've got options now in cm!
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Post by caradocevans on Mar 21, 2011 10:58:53 GMT
I'd expect them both to play as the holding/defensive two, with Ramsey given the freedom to go forward. Our team will be something like this:
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Gunter--Collins--Gabbidon--Collins
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Bellamy-------Ramsey--------Bale
--------------Morison
The biggest question marks are in defence. Is James Collins fit enough to play? Does Ashley Williams deserve to start? Should D Collins play at left-back or centre-half. Should Gabbidon play at left-back or centre-half etc.
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Post by squatter1 on Mar 21, 2011 11:02:11 GMT
Don't you think picking players just becuase of thier club is abit.... well ....english? What the bejeezus does that mean? My basic point is that Ledley has spent the season playing in one of the worst leagues in Europe, while Vaughan has spent his time playing in perhaps its best. One of those players - goes my argument - is going to be sharper, and more used to playing at level of international football than the other. Guess which? Or perhaps we should go your route and have a look at some of the current Newcastle Emlyn squad - no need to judge players on their club.
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Post by perthdragon on Mar 21, 2011 11:03:43 GMT
I'd expect them both to play as the holding/defensive two, with Ramsey given the freedom to go forward. Our team will be something like this: -------------Hennessey Gunter--Collins--Gabbidon--Collins ----------Vaughan--Ledley Bellamy-------Ramsey--------Bale --------------Morison The biggest question marks are in defence. Is James Collins fit enough to play? Does Ashley Williams deserve to start? Should D Collins play at left-back or centre-half. Should Gabbidon play at left-back or centre-half etc. That's near enough my team too I think, although King & Taylor would be close. I'd probably pick Ash over Gabbs though. For the record - If there is a straight choice between Ledley or Vaughan I'd go with Joe Ledley.
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Post by caradocevans on Mar 21, 2011 11:15:54 GMT
I'd expect them both to play as the holding/defensive two, with Ramsey given the freedom to go forward. Our team will be something like this: -------------Hennessey Gunter--Collins--Gabbidon--Collins ----------Vaughan--Ledley Bellamy-------Ramsey--------Bale --------------Morison The biggest question marks are in defence. Is James Collins fit enough to play? Does Ashley Williams deserve to start? Should D Collins play at left-back or centre-half. Should Gabbidon play at left-back or centre-half etc. That's near enough my team too I think, although King & Taylor would be close. I'd probably pick Ash over Gabbs though. For the record - If there is a straight choice between Ledley or Vaughan I'd go with Joe Ledley. Taylor is the future but I doubt Speed will risk him as he is a novice at international level. I'd love it if he saw some action mind. Ashley Williams can be awful at club level never mind international level but he is better in the air than Gabbidon or D Collins. He does panic when he is on the ball, though. Our defence is definitely a worry.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2011 11:41:25 GMT
Ledley
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Post by llannerch on Mar 21, 2011 12:41:00 GMT
We'll need Ledley for his legs. England know Ramsey isn't fully fit and will do a hatchet job on him
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Post by giantstoneater on Mar 22, 2011 0:10:13 GMT
A back four of Gunter, Collins Gabbidon and Collins would be a worry for me a line up which lacks pace. Gunter really struggled on saturday against the pace of Sinclair, Collins has just got back from injury and is slow, Gabbidon hasn`t got the pace he used to have and has hardly kicked a ball for West Ham in the last few weeks and Collins is equally as slow and has not been playing for Stoke of late. The injury to Ricketts hasn`t helped matters. I would have Ashley Williams in there, Carodoc E you are well off the mark on Williams he has had a fantastic season for the Swans and is athletic,strong and has pace. Left back could well be Nyatanga reports suggest he is playing well for Bristol City. Taylor could be an option for him if Speed thinks qualification is beyond us and may blood him for the experience. Another option could be to play Ledley there (didn`t he play there for the Bluebirds a few times). Right back is just as much a problem both Eardley and Gunter failed to shine against the ROI Think the back four will be Eardley J Collins Williams Nyatanga. As for Vaughan/Ledley well I think that this will be the central midfield pairing with King and Allen as subs, another option in midfield could be Crofts who is having a good season for Norwich. Bellamy, Ramsey, Bale and Morrison should provide enough of a goal threat. It`s going to be interesting to see Speed`s selection I see the defence as the main problem but we have plenty of options in midfield and attack. No matter what side is out let`s get behind them cant a cant.
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Post by flynnfan on Mar 22, 2011 0:27:47 GMT
I don't understand how anyone who saw our last game vs ROI could possibly think Eardley playing on Saturday is a good idea....
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Mar 22, 2011 0:31:26 GMT
Eardley or nyatanga to start thank god he isnt managing us
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Post by giantstoneater on Mar 22, 2011 4:32:40 GMT
Gunter didn`t exactly cover himself with glory gave away the softest of goals. At least Eardley plays at a higher level although did I say I was his greatest fan. I would prefer to play players that are getting regular games Nyatanga is D Collins isn`t. We could always put Bale at left back but I`m sure we`d all like to see him further up the pitch, like I said defence is Speeds biggest problem I just think that a back four of Gunter, J Collins, Gabbidon and N Collins would lack pace and a back four the English would relish facing.
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