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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 28, 2021 14:18:18 GMT
It's a shame - also desperate to see him move. It seems Nuno is going for a cup run to take some pressure off himself - Kane got 90 I think that's slightly besides the point because Sanchez also got 90, so he's clearly behind him, Dier and Romero. He won't get much gametime as the fourth choice cb I said I'm desperate to see him move. The 2nd comment was nothing to do with Rodon, I was just saying it seems as though Nuno is trying to take the pressure off himself because he was playing first teamers yesterday |
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Post by fiveattheback on Oct 28, 2021 14:19:11 GMT
A loan to Forest beckons
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Post by dai on Oct 28, 2021 15:33:12 GMT
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Post by fiveattheback on Oct 28, 2021 17:12:05 GMT
Nothing, I just think it would make a lot of sense |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2021 19:01:28 GMT
Are you saying forest just because cooper is there or is it another reason?,anyway i hope you turn out right,think a loan move like that is just what he needs as for some reason he seems to not be in favour at all at spurs,i looked on their forum and even most of their fans think it's strange.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2021 17:50:53 GMT
Hopeful of rodon getting more game time when Nuno Espirito Santo is let go in a few weeks time.
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Post by hooky on Oct 30, 2021 20:32:50 GMT
This season has been a total waste for him so far.
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Oct 31, 2021 10:28:56 GMT
Hopeful of rodon getting more game time when Nuno Espirito Santo is let go in a few weeks time. They’ll just get another Portuguese manager to save Dier’s bacon. I can’t see any manager being brave enough to select Rodon. He’s not particularly that young anymore either.He needs out of there asap. |
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Post by iot on Oct 31, 2021 11:59:08 GMT
Hopeful of rodon getting more game time when Nuno Espirito Santo is let go in a few weeks time. They’ll just get another Portuguese manager to save Dier’s bacon. I can’t see any manager being brave enough to select Rodon. He’s not particularly that young anymore either.He needs out of there asap. Brave in what sense? They wouldn't need to be brave. Spurs fans generally don't seem to rate Dier at all, and most appear to want to see Rodon given opportunities. So I don't see how selecting him would be a 'brave' choice. If we're looking at it objectively, it's just a case of three managers who've thought that their other defenders, despite the gaffes, are better than him And if we are being really honest, Rodon has made quite a few errors in his few spurs appearances as well, and has made a few for us too. |
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Oct 31, 2021 13:53:52 GMT
They’ll just get another Portuguese manager to save Dier’s bacon. I can’t see any manager being brave enough to select Rodon. He’s not particularly that young anymore either.He needs out of there asap. Brave in what sense? They wouldn't need to be brave. Spurs fans generally don't seem to rate Dier at all, and most appear to want to see Rodon given opportunities. So I don't see how selecting him would be a 'brave' choice. If we're looking at it objectively, it's just a case of three managers who've thought that their other defenders, despite the gaffes, are better than him And if we are being really honest, Rodon has made quite a few errors in his few spurs appearances as well, and has made a few for us too. Brave as in giving a lad without prior top-flight experience a run of games to find his feet, alongside an English football newbie in Romero. Yeah Rodon’s made a few mistakes, but you’re bound to make more mistakes when you’re used sparingly knowing that if you make any minor error that you’ll be out of the team. There’s just no way you can build up any momentum like that. |
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Post by iot on Oct 31, 2021 17:49:35 GMT
There may be some truth in that, but I suspect if you weren't Welsh you would have a different view. I've said this before, I don't think Rodon's as good as I hoped he would be after watching his first few games for us and after hearing Swans fans raving about him week in week out. He's been caught out a good few times for us more recently and for Spurs. There's been some terrible performances - the Swiss game in the euros comes to mind where Embolo bullied him, and there's been a few times where he's made poor decisions, usually where he's come out rashly and lost his man. He's also not half as good on the ball as I thought he was initially. He's definitely more than good enough for the premier league, but not on the cusp of becoming a top-tier centre back as I had hoped.
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Post by dlwilliams on Nov 1, 2021 11:25:08 GMT
Maybe he'll get more of a chance now Nuno's gone.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 1, 2021 20:31:27 GMT
Maybe he'll get more of a chance now Nuno's gone. If he does get time, there's arguably no better coach in the world to be under as a defender. Great news for us if Conte fancies him. I have a feeling Conte will like him |
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Post by dlwilliams on Nov 1, 2021 22:27:50 GMT
Maybe he'll get more of a chance now Nuno's gone. If he does get time, there's arguably no better coach in the world to be under as a defender. Great news for us if Conte fancies him. I have a feeling Conte will like him He liked Ampadu if I recall correctly! |
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Post by llan123 on Nov 1, 2021 22:51:44 GMT
Rodon definitely deserves a shot at starting a string of league games. Hopefully the new manager comes in and shakes thing up a bit and does just that. If Conte doesn't fancy him then I think its likely he's not as good as we thing he is as thats a string of managers that haven't fancied him. Conte doesn't shirk the tough decisions, he will drop Dier for Rodon if Joe is good enough.
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Post by cynonvalley on Nov 2, 2021 0:01:15 GMT
How was his game time under Jose?
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Post by gimli on Nov 2, 2021 11:16:47 GMT
Conte will almost certainly use 3 CBs so that's good news for Rodon. Conte likes his CBs to be good on the ball, which theoretically is one of Rodon's strengths, though he won't be up to the standard that Conte is used to. But he's certainly no worse than Dier and Sanchez so he should definitely be in the mix.
And I might be being overly optimistic, but I think there's a decent chance that Ben Davies will be Conte's first choice LCB, at least until January, since as far as I'm aware he's the only left-footed option they have for that position, and the top tier managers all seem to subscribe to that philosophy of needing left-footers on the left side of defence. That, combined with him being decent on the ball, and I could see Conte preferring him there over any of the other CBs they have.
I really hope both of them properly take this opportunity now and impress Conte, because as mentioned above he's probably the best in the world from a defensive stand point, and if he takes a liking to them it'll really kick start Rodon's career and give Davies another chance at the top level just when it was looking like he'd probably have to drop down to a lower level club.
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Post by garynysmon on Nov 2, 2021 13:17:18 GMT
Ben Davies is nowhere near good enough attacking-wise for a modern Premier League full-back, so I think he'll see more game time as a left sided centre half.
Romero is fantastic, so will be first choice, but the other two slots are between Sanchez, Dier, Rodon and Davies (and maybe Tanganga). All to play for really, and with Spurs still in Europe and the cups, all will play a decent amount.
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Post by dai on Nov 2, 2021 14:02:27 GMT
Rodon won't get a look in.
This is from the BBC as well:
Conte has asked Tottenham chairman Daniel Levy for a transfer budget of about £237m to buy six Serie A-based players he has identified.
Guaranteed they'll be a few defenders in that list. Time to move on I'm afraid, has to find a new club or loan come January.
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Post by cynonvalley on Nov 4, 2021 19:09:42 GMT
On the bench vs Vitesse
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Post by dai on Nov 4, 2021 20:59:42 GMT
Not surprising, he's just not wanted at that club.
I think Rodon was the one player I had most faith in when going to a top club and carving a career. I really thought he'd become a Spurs regular, but he's been given absolutely zero chances - even benched again tonight in a crap European tie! It's really f*cking frustrating to watch.
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Post by iot on Nov 4, 2021 21:05:23 GMT
Not surprising, he's just not wanted at that club. I think Rodon was the one player I had most faith in when going to a top club and carving a career. I really thought he'd become a Spurs regular, but he's been given absolutely zero chances - even benched again tonight in a crap European tie! It's really f*cking frustrating to watch. Incorrect, he's had a couple of runs in the team, particularly under Mourinho, but dropped each time after making a few errors and generally just hasn't looked like a top cb, particularly on the ball. I think that may be the main reason Conte won't fancy him, he wants ball-playing cbs |
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Post by dai on Nov 4, 2021 21:07:07 GMT
Not surprising, he's just not wanted at that club. I think Rodon was the one player I had most faith in when going to a top club and carving a career. I really thought he'd become a Spurs regular, but he's been given absolutely zero chances - even benched again tonight in a crap European tie! It's really f*cking frustrating to watch. Incorrect, he's had a couple of runs in the team, particularly under Mourinho, but dropped each time after making a few errors and generally just hasn't looked like a top cb, particularly on the ball. I think that may be the main reason Conte won't fancy him, he wants ball-playing cbs No, correct. Couple of games here and there isn't a chance. Not sure on your last comment, Rodon is more than comfortable on the ball and capable of passing and playing out from defence. |
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Post by iot on Nov 4, 2021 21:22:40 GMT
Incorrect, he's had a couple of runs in the team, particularly under Mourinho, but dropped each time after making a few errors and generally just hasn't looked like a top cb, particularly on the ball. I think that may be the main reason Conte won't fancy him, he wants ball-playing cbs No, correct. Couple of games here and there isn't a chance. Not sure on your last comment, Rodon is more than comfortable on the ball and capable of passing and playing out from defence. Four managers are not deciding against selecting him because they have a vendetta against Wales, get real. They see him day in, day out in training. I've watched his every game for us and Spurs since he joined them (I think), and I maintain he has not shown good ability on the ball across what must have been 20-30 games. He's been fairly regressive on the ball actually, he doesn't fizz them into midfield, he goes for the safe sideways pass 90% of the time. His long balls are also hopeless, I've seen him attempt a handful in those 20-30 games, and I think they went straight out of play every time. That's just not good enough in the system Conte wants to play. Ben Davies, on the other hand, looks like he will get plenty of opportunities and has really impressed tonight. That LCB position, as we all know, is made for him |
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Post by dai on Nov 4, 2021 21:28:20 GMT
No, correct. Couple of games here and there isn't a chance. Not sure on your last comment, Rodon is more than comfortable on the ball and capable of passing and playing out from defence. They see him day in, day out in training. I've watched his every game for us and Spurs since he joined them (I think), and I maintain he has not shown good ability on the ball across what must have been 20-30 games. He's been fairly regressive on the ball actually, he doesn't fizz them into midfield, he goes for the safe sideways pass 90% of the time. His long balls are also hopeless, I've seen him attempt a handful in those 20-30 games, and I think they went straight out of play every time. That's just not good enough in the system Conte wants to play. Ben Davies, on the other hand, looks like he will get plenty of opportunities and has really impressed tonight. That LCB position, as we all know, is made for him What vendetta are you bloody talking about? He was arguably one of the best CB's in the championship when he left Swansea, and Spurs have completely ruined him. He's only made 13 sporadic appearances for them in just over a year - hardly an opportunity to show you'r worth or settle in. |
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Post by iot on Nov 4, 2021 21:53:46 GMT
Four managers are not deciding against selecting him because they have a vendetta against Wales, get real. They see him day in, day out in training. I've watched his every game for us and Spurs since he joined them (I think), and I maintain he has not shown good ability on the ball across what must have been 20-30 games. He's been fairly regressive on the ball actually, he doesn't fizz them into midfield, he goes for the safe sideways pass 90% of the time. His long balls are also hopeless, I've seen him attempt a handful in those 20-30 games, and I think they went straight out of play every time. That's just not good enough in the system Conte wants to play. Ben Davies, on the other hand, looks like he will get plenty of opportunities and has really impressed tonight. That LCB position, as we all know, is made for him What vendetta are you bloody talking about? He was arguably one of the best CB's in the championship when he left Swansea, and Spurs have completely ruined him. He's only made 13 sporadic appearances for them in just over a year - hardly an opportunity to show you'r worth or settle in. It's pretty simple dai, if you believe he's being unfairly treated and yet you don't think there's a vendetta, what do you think is the reason that four different managers have favoured other players ahead of him? |
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Post by dai on Nov 4, 2021 22:12:14 GMT
What vendetta are you bloody talking about? He was arguably one of the best CB's in the championship when he left Swansea, and Spurs have completely ruined him. He's only made 13 sporadic appearances for them in just over a year - hardly an opportunity to show you'r worth or settle in. It's pretty simple dai, if you believe he's being unfairly treated and yet you don't think there's a vendetta, what do you think is the reason that four different managers have favoured other players ahead of him? God knows, you tell me, you seem to know it all! |
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Post by iot on Nov 4, 2021 22:18:32 GMT
It's pretty simple dai, if you believe he's being unfairly treated and yet you don't think there's a vendetta, what do you think is the reason that four different managers have favoured other players ahead of him? God knows, you tell me, you seem to know it all! I already have. They don't think he's good enough and doesn't have the skillset (particularly on the ball) for that level. He's a decent premier league standard centre back, but doesn't seem to have the class for the top level. |
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Post by kb4b50 on Nov 4, 2021 23:17:47 GMT
I tend to agree. I hoped that he would be now a Spurs first team player, but he just not seem to be quite good enough. As said have 4 managers got it wrong? Needs to go back to the Championship and play every week, and who knows in a few years he may get another shot. I think like the majority of Wales players the championship is his level.
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Post by jimexotic on Nov 4, 2021 23:31:04 GMT
Centre backs come into their own in their late 20's, get him out of there playing week in week out and eventually he'll become something like the player we hoped, the raw ingredients are all there.
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