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Post by erasedcitizen on Jan 14, 2018 23:58:56 GMT
Amazing how much some of you know about Ryan Giggs in management... The problem is we actually know very little about Giggs in management because he's never actually done the thing. This isn't my point. Why don't we see what he can do before deciding whether or not it's a good appointment?
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jan 15, 2018 0:00:57 GMT
But true though If i was ben woodburns dad i would be keeping a beady eye on giggsđ Jesus.
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Post by zenith on Jan 15, 2018 0:17:12 GMT
Not my first choice, second, third or fourth for that matter. But I will get behind the Welsh manager whoever he is.
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Post by biwmares on Jan 15, 2018 0:18:27 GMT
A bit disappointed with the decision but I will back him.
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Post by marsvolta on Jan 15, 2018 0:24:59 GMT
I expect a few fans may retire from international football. I support Wales through thick and thin. If Giggs being appointed turns out to be the thin, I'll still be there.
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Jan 15, 2018 0:25:39 GMT
Post by zenith on Jan 15, 2018 0:25:39 GMT
Anyone find it strange that Giggs did his coaching badges with the FA and not the FAW?
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Post by biwmares on Jan 15, 2018 0:37:37 GMT
Giggs - the first 100 days of a new job role action plan:
1. Osian to stay in his current role & responsibilities through the age groups & National team. 2. Appoint his backroom team, preferably bring in a foreign coach with a different outlook/perspective (not someone from Utd) & if possible find positions for both Bellamy & Bowen. 3. Get to visit as many possible towns & football clubs in Wales to meet the fans and get the fans onboard & set out your vision & set a clear direction and be committed. 4. Bolster the team by identifying some more recruits possibly Anglo's to the cause, Darlow would be a good addition but central defence and striking options would be excellent. 5. Win the China cup.
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Post by pendragon on Jan 15, 2018 0:54:58 GMT
I have mixed feelings about his appointment. I am gutted for Osian Roberts to have missed out on the job and I am really wary of his lack of managerial experience and the "unknown" factor, and ultimately, how all of this might apply in practice to his exercise of the role.
However, on the other hand, if there's anything I felt that was needed following the Coleman era, it is change and I'm hopeful that Giggs will deliver that, but for some degree of continuity, keeps on Osian as Assistant Manager and Director.
While I'm apprehensive, I'm also strangely excited. This appointment could make or break us. For better or worse, let's hope it's the former!
Good luck Giggs and congratulations on the appointment! đ
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Post by joseywales37 on Jan 15, 2018 1:08:04 GMT
Great thread, well done for this and well done Giggsy, I hope Os is assistant obviously . Hope we go into next games with the crowd as 12th man as we normally do. We are praised as great fans for a reason, because we support our team through thick and thin. Any gripes should be left behind (unless we suddenly become really bad of course) as its no good for players.
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Post by quetzal on Jan 15, 2018 1:09:40 GMT
We have not qualified for a World Cup since 1958. Itâs not exactly the greatest appointment but weâre not exactly the greatest team with a great history either. Good luck you horrible bastard!!!
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Post by joseywales37 on Jan 15, 2018 1:18:51 GMT
Anyone find it strange that Giggs did his coaching badges with the FA and not the FAW? Nah, think it might have been 2do with ge was still playing when he did the 3 (I think) and I'm not that the coaching from FAW was what it is now back then (could be wrong tho)
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Post by pendragon on Jan 15, 2018 1:18:55 GMT
Lol! Perhaps you should have a role in the FAW's Communications and Marketing Strategy Dept!
I would add, 6. Familiarise yourself with the "Welsh way", 7. Look at and experiment with the deployment of possession-based footballing strategies at the China Cup and the summer friendly, with a view to enhancing Wales' prospects of attaining good results in the Euro Nations League (after all, it'll soon be here) and the Euro qualifiers proper, 8. Look at experimenting with new squad formations and help facilitate the transition of the younger squad members into the first team, 9. Help develop and nurture a new marketing strategy, 10. Display enthusiasm and passion for all things Welsh at all times! 11. Learn the words to ALL the Barry Horns tunes! đ
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Post by yanto on Jan 15, 2018 7:18:08 GMT
What a miserable, small minded bunch of people we have have on here. Take a long look at yourselves ffs.
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Post by conwy10 on Jan 15, 2018 7:26:56 GMT
The problem is we actually know very little about Giggs in management because he's never actually done the thing. This isn't my point. Why don't we see what he can do before deciding whether or not it's a good appointment? Or why don't we go with someone with a track record we can make an educated guess on? Going back to the days of jobs for the boys I see. He's done nothing in football coaching or management, and no I can't accept the time he cracked at Man United as experience, or his amazing work with Salford City Under 9's.
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Post by yanto on Jan 15, 2018 7:27:05 GMT
Nice, positive thread at last....
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Post by conwy10 on Jan 15, 2018 7:37:44 GMT
What a miserable, small minded bunch of people we have have on here. Take a long look at yourselves ffs. I personally think Wales had gone mad accepting this. The country I love is appointing a celebrity as a manager, if that makes me small minded so be it, if anyone can post one thing in support of Giggs being manager in here that makes sense and I buy into I'll give up. People keep saying Ryan Giggs hate but can people not see it's overwhelming concern for our national team not hate? What I'm seeing is like throwing a mouse in a snake pit and saying we don't know what's going to happen, let's give it a chance.
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Post by gwernybwch on Jan 15, 2018 7:39:08 GMT
Well, I'm pretty sure that was the process when they appointed Speed (and maybe even Coleman). The board decided 'who was their man' and then someone went to Speed or his agent, agreed terms and the job was done in a few days. No need for an interview or other forms of due process. As it was reported that all along the job was Giggs' if he wanted it, I suspect that the interviews that they conducted were nothing more than a sham to make Osian feel needed (and he is needed) and to save a month's of Giggs wages (circa. ÂŁ60k). And how may i enquire do you have the absolute inside line on what went on previously? With respect is there any circumstance whereby you would be happy with an faw decision? It was widely (nationally) reported at the time. Iâm surprised that you didnât hear about it âlocallyâ as well. There was someone at C. Hall who would tell anybody who was willing to listen about his involvement in it. This headhunting approach doesnât really bother me. Essentially it is the FAW board that make the decision and there is no running away from it, if it is the wrong one. This selection and interview process was clearly a sham. What criteria exactly did they use to decide who got an interview and who didnât? I canât think of any single criteria, let alone a set of criteria which Carl Robinson didnât meet but Giggs, Bellamy, Osian and Bowen met. Similarly when it comes to the interview itself, we know that Osian would be able to nail a âthe future of Welsh footballâ presentation and Bellamy did an excellent presentation by all accounts. But we are led to believe that Giggs somehow outperformed them all. It is clearly a case of the FAW board pretending to follow âdue processâ whilst at the same time trying to cover their asses. PS: And the interviews were held in England. Arenât there any suitable hotels / conference centres in Wales FFS?
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Post by conwy10 on Jan 15, 2018 8:07:34 GMT
And how may i enquire do you have the absolute inside line on what went on previously? With respect is there any circumstance whereby you would be happy with an faw decision? It was widely (nationally) reported at the time. Iâm surprised that you didnât hear about it âlocallyâ as well. There was someone at C. Hall who would tell anybody who was willing to listen about his involvement in it. This headhunting approach doesnât really bother me. Essentially it is the FAW board that make the decision and there is no running away from it, if it is the wrong one. This selection and interview process was clearly a sham. What criteria exactly did they use to decide who got an interview and who didnât? I canât think of any single criteria, let alone a set of criteria which Carl Robinson didnât meet but Giggs, Bellamy, Osian and Bowen met. Similarly when it comes to the interview itself, we know that Osian would be able to nail a âthe future of Welsh footballâ presentation and Bellamy did an excellent presentation by all accounts. But we are led to believe that Giggs somehow outperformed them all. It is clearly a case of the FAW board pretending to follow âdue processâ whilst at the same time trying to cover their asses. PS: And the interviews were held in England. Arenât there any suitable hotels / conference centres in Wales FFS? Were they held in England? I would have thought Dragons Park had to be where they done it. Shocking if true. To be honest I think if I was Bellamy or Osian Roberts I'd see the writing on the wall when the interviews took place at the Salford City function room.
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Post by CrackityJones on Jan 15, 2018 8:19:01 GMT
Iâll back him for the sake of the players and fans but heâs got a lot to prove before I get 100% behind him.
Really hope he does that...and soon.
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Post by Albert on Jan 15, 2018 8:22:18 GMT
It was widely (nationally) reported at the time. Iâm surprised that you didnât hear about it âlocallyâ as well. There was someone at C. Hall who would tell anybody who was willing to listen about his involvement in it. This headhunting approach doesnât really bother me. Essentially it is the FAW board that make the decision and there is no running away from it, if it is the wrong one. This selection and interview process was clearly a sham. What criteria exactly did they use to decide who got an interview and who didnât? I canât think of any single criteria, let alone a set of criteria which Carl Robinson didnât meet but Giggs, Bellamy, Osian and Bowen met. Similarly when it comes to the interview itself, we know that Osian would be able to nail a âthe future of Welsh footballâ presentation and Bellamy did an excellent presentation by all accounts. But we are led to believe that Giggs somehow outperformed them all. It is clearly a case of the FAW board pretending to follow âdue processâ whilst at the same time trying to cover their asses. PS: And the interviews were held in England. Arenât there any suitable hotels / conference centres in Wales FFS? Were they held in England? I would have thought Dragons Park had to be where they done it. Shocking if true. To be honest I think if I was Bellamy or Osian Roberts I'd see the writing on the wall when the interviews took place at the Salford City function room. Somebody did mention Ludlow at one point for the interviews. Don't know if that was true.
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Post by fireboy0610 on Jan 15, 2018 8:24:37 GMT
But true though If i was ben woodburns dad i would be keeping a beady eye on giggsđ Jesus. It was only a joke ED thats why i put a smiley at the end matey Seriously though I will support my country through thick and thin but im really not happy at all with this appointment Its a massive step back imo
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Amazing how much some of you know about Ryan Giggs in management... What is there to know except for a handful of matches at Old Trafford? He hasnât had a hands on role in football for 18 months.
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Post by jonnylitts on Jan 15, 2018 8:37:45 GMT
I don't think there was any particularly better alternative. Bellamy has a reputation for being hotheaded Pullis doesn't play the type of football we currently do and has never expressed any interest. Would be a punt on Carl Robinson. Wales online breakdown of candidates: www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/issues-each-leading-wales-manager-13934293Nobody really stuck out as a candidate (potentially why it's taken this long to sort out) Giggs will be driven to prove himself. He worked under (and will have the ear of) one of the best managers ever and regardless of the friendly situation, will have the utmost respect from the players on the basis of what he's achieved in his career. Yes he doesn't have actual experience as thee manager but neither does Bellamy. Only thing I hope is that if the FAW have been silly enough to include a club management clause, it has to be after at least one campaign (especially after the Coleman situation and the fact that that's where Giggs eventually wants to end up. With the reference to him cracking at Man Utd, perhaps international management will suit him better as the stress is focused over shorter periods. He may be able to teach our talented pool of youngsters a thing or two. I think people are forgetting that not many people wanted Coleman (I certainly didn't) and he turned out alright. Let's give him at least a chance to prove what he can do. You never know, he may surprise you.
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Post by 1gwaunview on Jan 15, 2018 8:45:41 GMT
Knew it was coming, but I'm very disappointed. Idiot FAW blazers blinded by celeb type appointment. They won't be laughing if we slip down the rankings and CCS becomes a toxic arena. I'll give him a mini chance but he'd better hit the ground running!!
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Post by fireboy0610 on Jan 15, 2018 9:11:40 GMT
Lets hope he keeps osian in the fold
It would be absolutely calamitous if he didnt
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Post by conwy10 on Jan 15, 2018 9:57:17 GMT
Amazing how much some of you know about Ryan Giggs in management... What is there to know except for a handful of matches at Old Trafford? He hasnât had a hands on role in football for 18 months. Those matches gave he nightmares too. We know that cause he admitted it to the press. That's the type of steel we want leading our team.
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Post by conwy10 on Jan 15, 2018 10:05:03 GMT
I don't think there was any particularly better alternative. Bellamy has a reputation for being hotheaded Pullis doesn't play the type of football we currently do and has never expressed any interest. Would be a punt on Carl Robinson. Wales online breakdown of candidates:Â www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/issues-each-leading-wales-manager-13934293Nobody really stuck out as a candidate (potentially why it's taken this long to sort out) Giggs will be driven to prove himself. He worked under (and will have the ear of) one of the best managers ever and regardless of the friendly situation, will have the utmost respect from the players on the basis of what he's achieved in his career. Yes he doesn't have actual experience as thee manager but neither does Bellamy. Only thing I hope is that if the FAW have been silly enough to include a club management clause, it has to be after at least one campaign (especially after the Coleman situation and the fact that that's where Giggs eventually wants to end up. With the reference to him cracking at Man Utd, perhaps international management will suit him better as the stress is focused over shorter periods. He may be able to teach our talented pool of youngsters a thing or two. I think people are forgetting that not many people wanted Coleman (I certainly didn't) and he turned out alright. Let's give him at least a chance to prove what he can do. You never know, he may surprise you. Good thing he's got Alex Fergusons ear to get advice. It's strange Sir Alex doesn't give advice to Steve Bruce, Roy Keane and all the other managers who've done little to nothing in management. Wouldn't any manager be driven to prove himself? I can't imagine many go in and think I can chill out now. It doesn't matter if there's a club management clause, in the amazing situation he does well he could go for pennies, international managers get paid nothing. They'd have to pay ÂŁ3,000,000 max, they'd pay that for a 3rd choice keeper these days. If he can't sleep for 2 weeks imagine not sleeping for 2 months. He probably won't stress over the Wales job because it isn't his beloved Man United.
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Jan 15, 2018 10:10:39 GMT
I have mixed feelings about his appointment. I am gutted for Osian Roberts to have missed out on the job and I am really wary of his lack of managerial experience and the "unknown" factor, and ultimately, how all of this might apply in practice to his exercise of the role. However, on the other hand, if there's anything I felt that was needed following the Coleman era, it is change and I'm hopeful that Giggs will deliver that, but for some degree of continuity, keeps on Osian as Assistant Manager and Director. While I'm apprehensive, I'm also strangely excited. This appointment could make or break us. For better or worse, let's hope it's the former! Good luck Giggs and congratulations on the appointment! đ Well said. Agree totally
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Post by jonnylitts on Jan 15, 2018 10:27:34 GMT
I don't think there was any particularly better alternative. Bellamy has a reputation for being hotheaded Pullis doesn't play the type of football we currently do and has never expressed any interest. Would be a punt on Carl Robinson. Wales online breakdown of candidates: www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/issues-each-leading-wales-manager-13934293Nobody really stuck out as a candidate (potentially why it's taken this long to sort out) Giggs will be driven to prove himself. He worked under (and will have the ear of) one of the best managers ever and regardless of the friendly situation, will have the utmost respect from the players on the basis of what he's achieved in his career. Yes he doesn't have actual experience as thee manager but neither does Bellamy. Only thing I hope is that if the FAW have been silly enough to include a club management clause, it has to be after at least one campaign (especially after the Coleman situation and the fact that that's where Giggs eventually wants to end up. With the reference to him cracking at Man Utd, perhaps international management will suit him better as the stress is focused over shorter periods. He may be able to teach our talented pool of youngsters a thing or two. I think people are forgetting that not many people wanted Coleman (I certainly didn't) and he turned out alright. Let's give him at least a chance to prove what he can do. You never know, he may surprise you. Good thing he's got Alex Fergusons ear to get advice. It's strange Sir Alex doesn't give advice to Steve Bruce, Roy Keane and all the other managers who've done little to nothing in management. Wouldn't any manager be driven to prove himself? I can't imagine many go in and think I can chill out now. It doesn't matter if there's a club management clause, in the amazing situation he does well he could go for pennies, international managers get paid nothing. They'd have to pay ÂŁ3,000,000 max, they'd pay that for a 3rd choice keeper these days. If he can't sleep for 2 weeks imagine not sleeping for 2 months. He probably won't stress over the Wales job because it isn't his beloved Man United. I think if you look at the relationship between Giggs and Ferguson Vs Ferguson and other managers you'd see it's vastly different. Giggs was signed by Ferguson at 14 and played for him until he was 41. The same can't be said of any of his former players. I said about proving himself because the guy is a professional sportsman and is clearly very driven. This is in reference to people saying that he couldn't be bothered to turn up to friendlies. Yet he did have 64 caps (average of 4 per year - qualifiers are usually 4 per year) I don't know how he will react to being our manager but anybody who is on trial for 4 games in order for their dream job but with the eyes of the world on them is bound to be stressed. With the Wales job, he knows he has it and therefore less pressure on him, especially as internationals are sporadic. Out of interest, what did you think of the Coleman appointment and who did you want to replace him?
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Post by alarch on Jan 15, 2018 11:00:02 GMT
It's worth adding a bit of historical perspective to this appointment. When Coleman was appointed he was hardly well received - and there were a lot negative references to washing-machinegate and his personal life e.g. www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/football-manager-chris-coleman-evicts-4177147Does anybody give a damn about any of the above now? No, so IF (and it's a big if of course) Giggs is a success as a manager then his past indiscretions, his dodgy appearance record, his lack of charisma, the lack of any strong identification with the Welsh cause, will be completely forgotten. And rightly so, because ultimately the only thing that matters is whether or not Giggs can produce a successful Wales team. End of. The best thing in Giggs' favour when assessing his prospects as a Wales manager is the unknown factor. This is hardly a great endorsement, but Speed and Hughes were also largely unknown quantities. In fact, the vast majority of Wales managers going back decades had little or no managerial pedigree before taking on the Wales role - especially the more successful ones (Mike Smith first time, Mike England, Terry Yorath). Given the managers that Giggs has played under it's likely that he will favour a brand of football that isn't overly defensive and progressive - although there's a fair degree of guesswork there. I certainly can't see us playing Pulisball under Giggs - which is a great blessing. I think a degree of humility is appropriate on the part of us fans here. Very few of us wanted Giggs, and have severe doubts about his credentials, but I can't see how anybody can confidently predict he will fail. We just don't know. On my part, I was opposed to Speed getting the job - for similar reasons to why I was opposed to Giggs' candidature. I'm happy to admit that I got that wrong - although he did at least have a modest track-record of trying to implement a progressive brand of football at Sheffield United. In Speed's case the appointment in retrospect looked like the right appointment for the wrong reasons. At the time very similar piss-poor arguments were put forward for his appointment, such as his marketing potential (remind me again how many millions his appointment drew into Wales' coffers?). Giggs' appointment may well turn out the same way. One other thing. It's easy to forget how Coleman grew into the role. What with the fiasco with the lost passport, and his frequent off-message tetchiness, he cut a pretty unimpressive figure leading up to the Euros campaign. It's credit to him that he's a delegator and willing to learn and grow (he readily credits the influence of sports psychologist Dr Ian Mitchell - this is an interesting read on Chris Coleman's thoughts on the sports psychologist role: www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/football/sunderland-afc/would-a-sports-psychologist-help-sunderland-chris-coleman-on-the-mental-challenges-for-his-squad-1-8930819) - and it showed, especially in his dealings with the media. Can Giggs grow into the role? If he shows the same dedication to personal development as he showed to his personal fitness, enabling him to prolong his top flight career through yoga, etc. when such practices were exceptional, perhaps we can see a new Ryan Giggs emerge. The space afforded by the Wales manager's job is the perfect opportunity to grow and develop as a person and a manager. Over to you Ryan.
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