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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 11:12:33 GMT
Post by zenith on Jan 15, 2018 11:12:33 GMT
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Post by 1gwaunview on Jan 15, 2018 11:14:13 GMT
NEWSFLASH!! To be advertised on JD Sports website presently - Chastity belt (various sizes) in Red with FAW logo as offered to Wales squad member WAGs during International breaks since imminent appointment of new Wales manager.
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Post by joseywales37 on Jan 15, 2018 11:15:34 GMT
Some the arguments still going on against Giggs are scraping it a bit now, I mean where was the interview held ?, come on mun lol. You really think its because of Giggs they nay have gone to Ludlow ?.
Out of the arguments, the only one that stood up as a decent fair argument was the experience one, but that could be aimed at 2 perhaps 3 of last 4 candidates this time and certainly 2 of last 4 appointments, and lets face it, FAW have pretty much got decisions right since Bobby Gould, credit where its due.
Lets just get behind him as manager and give him a fair chance. We know as much as what we would with any manager as to what future holds. Whether we like it or not, international manager jobs for managers in the youngish age group is always going to possibly be a stepping stone, no matter which country, Hodgeson/Switzerland, Conte/Italy, Hughes/Blacburn, spring to mind.
The Wales manager job is a weird one because, financially its bad (compared to many other countries and esp to clubs), always get tough groups, not guaranteed a crowd unless its last few group games and we might qualify, squad goes from anything from league 1 or 2 players to Galacticos. So when some one puts their name forward for this job, I admire them because it not exactly considered a top job, but its a tough one and if you get it right, its very rewarding.
Lastly a point on Mr Shearer and his embarrassing moment on motd, Giggs 64 caps, Shearer 63 after careers of similar starting points, what a knob lol.
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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 11:20:35 GMT
Post by joseywales37 on Jan 15, 2018 11:20:35 GMT
It's worth adding a bit of historical perspective to this appointment. When Coleman was appointed he was hardly well received - and there were a lot negative references to washing-machinegate and his personal life e.g. www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/football-manager-chris-coleman-evicts-4177147Does anybody give a damn about any of the above now? No, so IF (and it's a big if of course) Giggs is a success as a manager then his past indiscretions, his dodgy appearance record, his lack of charisma, the lack of any strong identification with the Welsh cause, will be completely forgotten. And rightly so, because ultimately the only thing that matters is whether or not Giggs can produce a successful Wales team. End of. The best thing in Giggs' favour when assessing his prospects as a Wales manager is the unknown factor. This is hardly a great endorsement, but Speed and Hughes were also largely unknown quantities. In fact, the vast majority of Wales managers going back decades had little or no managerial pedigree before taking on the Wales role - especially the more successful ones (Mike Smith first time, Mike England, Terry Yorath). Given the managers that Giggs has played under it's likely that he will favour a brand of football that isn't overly defensive and progressive - although there's a fair degree of guesswork there. I certainly can't see us playing Pulisball under Giggs - which is a great blessing. I think a degree of humility is appropriate on the part of us fans here. Very few of us wanted Giggs, and have severe doubts about his credentials, but I can't see how anybody can confidently predict he will fail. We just don't know. On my part, I was opposed to Speed getting the job - for similar reasons to why I was opposed to Giggs' candidature. I'm happy to admit that I got that wrong - although he did at least have a modest track-record of trying to implement a progressive brand of football at Sheffield United. In Speed's case the appointment in retrospect looked like the right appointment for the wrong reasons. At the time very similar piss-poor arguments were put forward for his appointment, such as his marketing potential (remind me again how many millions his appointment drew into Wales' coffers?). Giggs' appointment may well turn out the same way. One other thing. It's easy to forget how Coleman grew into the role. What with the fiasco with the lost passport, and his frequent off-message tetchiness, he cut a pretty unimpressive figure leading up to the Euros campaign. It's credit to him that he's a delegator and willing to learn and grow (he readily credits the influence of sports psychologist Dr Ian Mitchell - this is an interesting read on Chris Coleman's thoughts on the sports psychologist role: www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/football/sunderland-afc/would-a-sports-psychologist-help-sunderland-chris-coleman-on-the-mental-challenges-for-his-squad-1-8930819) - and it showed, especially in his dealings with the media. Can Giggs grow into the role? If he shows the same dedication to personal development as he showed to his personal fitness, enabling him to prolong his top flight career through yoga, etc. when such practices were exceptional, perhaps we can see a new Ryan Giggs emerge. The space afforded by the Wales manager's job is the perfect opportunity to grow and develop as a person and a manager. Over to you Ryan. Well written that, very good.
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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 11:22:38 GMT
Post by 1gwaunview on Jan 15, 2018 11:22:38 GMT
Why did the FAW bother having an interview system when we all knew deep down Giggs would get the job after Coleman left. I feel sorry for Osian and the others really. Foregone decision before Christmas.
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Post by joseywales37 on Jan 15, 2018 11:23:25 GMT
NEWSFALSH!! To be advertised on JD Sports website presently - Chastity belt (various sizes) in Red with FAW logo as offered to Wales squad members and WAGs during International breaks since imminent appointment of new Wales manager. Lol, agh come on now , the only thing that's to be f---ed from now on, is the opposition defences.
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Post by bringbackelmo on Jan 15, 2018 11:35:38 GMT
I would love to see Giggs to succeed but my only real issue with the appointment is that he has. no. managerial. experience.
It's one thing appointing an unproven manager when you're 120th in the world but given our recent success I think we could have aimed higher than someone with Giggs' experience.
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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 11:41:40 GMT
Post by 1gwaunview on Jan 15, 2018 11:41:40 GMT
'Smile' they said, things could be worse, so I did and it was.
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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 11:49:06 GMT
Post by alarch on Jan 15, 2018 11:49:06 GMT
Interesting to see the reaction to Speed's appointment back in 2010: apostlewelshfootie.proboards.com/thread/545/faw-approach-speedSome of the responses in that thread have a familiar feel to them. That doesn't mean that Giggs will be a success - just that we haven't a clue really - and just because he may well have been appointed for crap reasons it doesn't mean he can't be a success.
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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 11:50:26 GMT
Post by jonnylitts on Jan 15, 2018 11:50:26 GMT
Here here.
Woodburn, Lawrence, Brooks and to a lesser extent as he's not in the team, Wilson could all benefit from Giggs' ability to make chances for others.
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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 11:56:09 GMT
Post by alarch on Jan 15, 2018 11:56:09 GMT
This thread is even more interesting: apostlewelshfootie.proboards.com/thread/560/gary-speedTexan's response (a poster on this forum's whose opinion I respect greatly) to Gary Speed's appointment is particularly relevant today: "This makes no sense...Speed has none of the required abilities, other than being a recognised face in Welsh football and 'possibly' having the respect of the dressing room...tactically he's a punt in the dark like Hughes. I personally think they got him because they want to try and replicate the Hughes era and its a massive, MASSIVE gamble, especially considering there were better and potentially more deserving candidates already in the interview process." Deja vu.
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Jan 15, 2018 11:59:52 GMT
Im happy with the appointment, for many of the reasons outlined in previous posts. I dont have the same issue with missing friendlies as many others. I would have preferred someone with more experience in management, but there are not many people more experienced in the game than Ryan Giggs. Glad to see alot of the hardcore opposers getting behind him. End of day we all want what is best for Wales, and if thats Ryan Giggs being succesful, im sure everyone will get behind him. I really hope he keeps Osian Roberts as an intergral part of the backroom staff, he would be wise in doing so, and would appease some of those who are against the appointment. Good luck Giggsy and come on Wales!!
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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 12:13:53 GMT
Post by phillywelsh83 on Jan 15, 2018 12:13:53 GMT
None of the candidates are experienced, so i am sorry but that argument has no weight, if Pulis was in there or Hughes, i could accept experience as a factor, and is a very valid point. The only reason people are against Giggs appointment is the Friendly issue.
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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 12:16:21 GMT
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Jan 15, 2018 12:16:21 GMT
Anyone know what time the press conference starts?
I suppose it will be live on BBC football site?
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Jan 15, 2018 12:17:17 GMT
Anyone know what time the press conference starts? I suppose it will be live on BBC football site? 2pm i believe, probably be on FAW FB & Twitter feeds
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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 12:37:21 GMT
Post by erasedcitizen on Jan 15, 2018 12:37:21 GMT
Amazing how much some of you know about Ryan Giggs in management... What is there to know except for a handful of matches at Old Trafford? He hasn’t had a hands on role in football for 18 months. It was sarcasm. How aren't people getting that?
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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 12:39:36 GMT
Post by erasedcitizen on Jan 15, 2018 12:39:36 GMT
This isn't my point. Why don't we see what he can do before deciding whether or not it's a good appointment? Or why don't we go with someone with a track record we can make an educated guess on? Going back to the days of jobs for the boys I see. He's done nothing in football coaching or management, and no I can't accept the time he cracked at Man United as experience, or his amazing work with Salford City Under 9's. I don't think I can take you seriously if you're going to disregard actual coaching experience to fit your narrative. This is over.
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Post by yanto on Jan 15, 2018 12:42:40 GMT
This thread is even more interesting: apostlewelshfootie.proboards.com/thread/560/gary-speedTexan's response (a poster on this forum's whose opinion I respect greatly) to Gary Speed's appointment is particularly relevant today: "This makes no sense...Speed has none of the required abilities, other than being a recognised face in Welsh football and 'possibly' having the respect of the dressing room...tactically he's a punt in the dark like Hughes. I personally think they got him because they want to try and replicate the Hughes era and its a massive, MASSIVE gamble, especially considering there were better and potentially more deserving candidates already in the interview process." Deja vu. Anyone who has been on here for a while is famaliar with what was said about both Speed and Cookie, if they are ignoring that gotta think they either fully supported both appointments, or have jumped on the bandwagon. Good posts as ever Alarch, and pretty magnaminous given you didn't want Giggs, well done.
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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 12:44:42 GMT
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Jan 15, 2018 12:44:42 GMT
Anyone know what time the press conference starts? I suppose it will be live on BBC football site? 2pm i believe, probably be on FAW FB & Twitter feeds Thanks bro
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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 12:51:48 GMT
Post by erasedcitizen on Jan 15, 2018 12:51:48 GMT
Come to think of it, Giggs would probably be the 4th choice for me if we're talking realistic candidates. Behind Osian, Nathan Jones at Luton and Bellamy.
We couldn't afford Pulis, so there's no point getting worked up over that one.
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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 12:52:03 GMT
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Post by conwy10 on Jan 15, 2018 12:52:03 GMT
Good thing he's got Alex Fergusons ear to get advice. It's strange Sir Alex doesn't give advice to Steve Bruce, Roy Keane and all the other managers who've done little to nothing in management. Wouldn't any manager be driven to prove himself? I can't imagine many go in and think I can chill out now. It doesn't matter if there's a club management clause, in the amazing situation he does well he could go for pennies, international managers get paid nothing. They'd have to pay £3,000,000 max, they'd pay that for a 3rd choice keeper these days. If he can't sleep for 2 weeks imagine not sleeping for 2 months. He probably won't stress over the Wales job because it isn't his beloved Man United. I think if you look at the relationship between Giggs and Ferguson Vs Ferguson and other managers you'd see it's vastly different. Giggs was signed by Ferguson at 14 and played for him until he was 41. The same can't be said of any of his former players. I said about proving himself because the guy is a professional sportsman and is clearly very driven. This is in reference to people saying that he couldn't be bothered to turn up to friendlies. Yet he did have 64 caps (average of 4 per year - qualifiers are usually 4 per year) I don't know how he will react to being our manager but anybody who is on trial for 4 games in order for their dream job but with the eyes of the world on them is bound to be stressed. With the Wales job, he knows he has it and therefore less pressure on him, especially as internationals are sporadic. Out of interest, what did you think of the Coleman appointment and who did you want to replace him? I'm not too sure what I thought of Colemans appointment to be honest, it was a strange time to be a Wales fan, I think everyone was clouded in disbelief at what had just happened with Speed. I initially wanted Carl Robinson but when Osian put his name forward I felt they had to give it to him.
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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 12:58:55 GMT
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Post by conwy10 on Jan 15, 2018 12:58:55 GMT
Or why don't we go with someone with a track record we can make an educated guess on? Going back to the days of jobs for the boys I see. He's done nothing in football coaching or management, and no I can't accept the time he cracked at Man United as experience, or his amazing work with Salford City Under 9's. I don't think I can take you seriously if you're going to disregard actual coaching experience to fit your narrative. This is over. In my opinion there's no coaching experience there to disregard. What he classes as experience others regard as part time coaching. I'll give him credit for his work at Man United as assistant but I feel showing up now and again to coach at the club you part own isn't a serious position. If people think differently fair enough.
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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 12:59:47 GMT
Post by erasedcitizen on Jan 15, 2018 12:59:47 GMT
I don't think I can take you seriously if you're going to disregard actual coaching experience to fit your narrative. This is over. In my opinion there's no coaching experience there to disregard. What he classes as experience others regard as part time coaching. I'll give him credit for his work at Man United as assistant but I feel showing up now and again to coach at the club you part own isn't a serious position. If people think differently fair enough. Fair enough answer mate. Apologies.
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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 13:07:43 GMT
Post by erasedcitizen on Jan 15, 2018 13:07:43 GMT
It's one thing appointing an unproven manager when you're 120th in the world but given our recent success I think we could have aimed higher than someone with Giggs' experience. It's that age old question again, who would you have gone with? Bellamy has limited coaching experience and no experience as manager, Osian has bags of coaching experience but only LoW managerial experience, Pulis was most likely unaffordable and anyone else is either managing at a low football league level or in Carl Robinson's case, managing a side who set up not to lose every game. We weren't ever going to go with a non Welsh candidate so we can put that idea aside for now. Nathan Jones would have been a nice choice in my eyes, but it still would have been a risk considering he's only managed in League 2. He was also new to management when he took Luton over and he seems to be doing a grand old job there. Similar to how Dean Keates is doing with my hometown club with his first experience as a manager.
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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 13:09:31 GMT
Post by saints19 on Jan 15, 2018 13:09:31 GMT
All the Giggs fanboys seemingly are now trying to shut down criticism on here of the way the process was conducted. I'd be delighted to be proven wrong about Giggs, but even looking at Speed and Coleman's reigns (which ultimately turned out OK!) their first year at least in the job (in Coleman's case a two-year campaign) were poor. There's no denying that. Potentially that spells doom for our Euro hopes. I don't think it augurs well and I'm sorry, fans are entitled to criticise (and continue to criticise) the process and the decision.
Also, don't agree that Pulis was unaffordable. If Giggs is on £500k, then I'm not sure that plus healthy qualifying bonus would have been insufficient to attract Pulis. If he'd been uninterested he would have ruled himself out immediately like Sparky. I don't accept that. Even then, I think Roberts would have been a much better appointment and there were non-Welsh managers who would have been more qualified than Giggs.
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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 13:14:45 GMT
Post by georgetm1 on Jan 15, 2018 13:14:45 GMT
It isn't just the friendlies he missed. How about the 3 qualifiers in a row he missed and then proceeded to play for Man Utd a few days later on each occasion?
Apart from the missing games is anyone telling me that we are so far in the shit like we were on previous occasions that we need to take chances on unproven coaches with piss all experience?
We have been arguing and fighting with the FAW and Welsh press over appointing Giggs for the past decade and now they finally got what they wanted. A manager the fans don't want who is a massive gamble when we need an experienced head taking over. I hope I am wrong but I can see this all going tits up.
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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 13:15:27 GMT
Post by erasedcitizen on Jan 15, 2018 13:15:27 GMT
All the Giggs fanboys seemingly are now trying to shut down criticism on here of the way the process was conducted. I'd be delighted to be proven wrong about Giggs, but even looking at Speed and Coleman's reigns (which ultimately turned out OK!) their first year at least in the job (in Coleman's case a two-year campaign) were poor. There's no denying that. Potentially that spells doom for our Euro hopes. I don't think it augurs well and I'm sorry, fans are entitled to criticise (and continue to criticise) the process and the decision. Also, don't agree that Pulis was unaffordable. If Giggs is on £500k, then I'm not sure that plus healthy qualifying bonus would have been insufficient to attract Pulis. If he'd been uninterested he would have ruled himself out immediately like Sparky. I don't accept that. Even then, I think Roberts would have been a much better appointment and there were non-Welsh managers who would have been more qualified than Giggs. Pulis was on £2m supposedly at West Brom. Do you really think he'd take that big of a pay cut for a job that probably wouldn't suit him? Going for a non-Welsh manager when the players and majority of fans don't want a non-Welsh manager is madness in my eyes. Especially when one of the main tasks Giggs now has is to keep Ampadu and Brooks on board until the next lot of competitive fixtures. Osian was a better choice in my eyes but also a risk, given his lack of experience as a number 1 at a reasonable level of the game.
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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 13:18:10 GMT
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Post by welshiron on Jan 15, 2018 13:18:10 GMT
Gutted with this appointment Far to many negatives hope Mouriniho gets the sack soon and Giggs gets the job he really wants .
I really can't seeing him throwing all he has at the job in the way Bellamy would of.
I will as ever support the team but not sure I can back Giggs
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Post by superunknown on Jan 15, 2018 13:21:23 GMT
All the Giggs fanboys seemingly are now trying to shut down criticism on here of the way the process was conducted. I'd be delighted to be proven wrong about Giggs, but even looking at Speed and Coleman's reigns (which ultimately turned out OK!) their first year at least in the job (in Coleman's case a two-year campaign) were poor. There's no denying that. Potentially that spells doom for our Euro hopes. I don't think it augurs well and I'm sorry, fans are entitled to criticise (and continue to criticise) the process and the decision. Also, don't agree that Pulis was unaffordable. If Giggs is on £500k, then I'm not sure that plus healthy qualifying bonus would have been insufficient to attract Pulis. If he'd been uninterested he would have ruled himself out immediately like Sparky. I don't accept that. Even then, I think Roberts would have been a much better appointment and there were non-Welsh managers who would have been more qualified than Giggs. Don't think there's any Giggs fanboys here tbh. If I recall almost everyone would have preferred another candidate. He's nobody's first choice who has an idea about Welsh football but there's no point being divisive about it now, all that will prove to do is hinder our opportunities going forward. Fair enough, you've got an axe to grind with Giggs but I'm not going to write him off before he's even managed a game.
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Post by richierich333 on Jan 15, 2018 13:23:52 GMT
I'm 100% in and there a plenty of reasons to be positive looking forward. Welcome back Ryan.
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